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Old 06-09-2012, 01:14 PM   #1
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33x12.5R15 Goodyear Duratrac, BF Goodrich KM2, Mickey Thompson MTZ installed videos.

Firstly, I want to give thanks to Discount Tires for being hands down the best place to shop for new tires and wheels. They have always provided superior service from ordering, shipping, installing, and correcting problems. I will always purchase from them for life.

Over the past two years I've had the experience of using some great tires on my 2010 JK. For those who want the real number of how many sets I've had here they are:

1. 225/75/16 Wrangler ST "P" load range
2. 245/75/16 Goodyear Duratrac "E" load range
3. 245/75/16 Goodyear Duratrac "D" load range
4. 255/75/17 Wrangler SRA "P" load range
5. 255/75/17 Nitto Trail Grappler "D" load range
6. 33x12.5R15 Goodyear Duratrac "C" load range
7. 33x12.5R15 BF Goodrich KM2 "C" load range
8. 33x12.5R15 Goodyear Duratrac "C" load range
9. 33x12.5R15 Mickey Thompson MTZ "C" load range


All of the tires above were part of a process of madness as I like to call it. I've had tires now on 15", 16", and 17" wheels in both alloy and steel. Alloy has always been the winner for many reasons. DTD has a great article on here regarding this 15" MB72 alloy Vs 15" Steel wheels

All of the first four tires were essentially a wash in performance and affect on power and fuel economy. Essentially, they were the same. The Nittos were extraordinarily heavy for a 32" tire at 60lbs. Once I moved to a 33" tire on a 15x8" wheel things have changed many times regarding their affect on my jeep. I have a 2010 JK with stock 3.21 gears and a manual tranny. The jeep is lifted using a Teraflex 2.5 coil lift and it also features front and rear adjustable track bars. When I moved to the 33" Duratrac tires they provided very little impact on fuel economy and my jeep had plenty of pick and go power to spare. 6th gear become more of a struggle but was still usable to a degree. The Duratracs are a very popular choice among many jeepers and are offered in just about any size you could want minus 35x12.5R15. Goodyear may come around on this size eventually but they are not available as of yet.

The 33x12.5R15 Duratracs I first ran had balancing issues. I had to have the re-balanced every 3-4K miles or every oil change or so. Near the end of the first year I ran them, each tire had about 13K miles on it and were requiring a lot of weight to balance. I decided I'd had enough and sold them to a friend who does not use his off road toy except to play with on the weekends. No issue with balancing as he probably would never drive them above 10 mph from this point on. The duratracs are a fantastic tire and I believe most run them without issue especially in other sizes. My honest opinion on these is that they possibly suffer some very real noticeable stability issues from their thin compound, thin side wall and size on a 15x8 wheel. In my experience now with two sets being exactly the same and having the same problems, the lighter duratrac seems to be affected by it's small 32.5 size with large side wall balloon effect over a 15x8 wheel and wide tread width.

The 33x12.5R15 KM2s I ran after this set had balancing issues as well but were resolved after the first two front tires were replaced by a new set. The rears balanced fine and the new front tires required little weight. These tires are made of a heavier compound that the Duratracs which gave them much less roll cornering and a more stable feel driving at both highway and city speeds. These tires were loud and fun. They looked great and felt right on the jeep except for using them with 3.21s. At nearly 60lbs per tire, 1st gear accelerated with some noticeable heavy clutch use. After getting moving 1st seemed fine to handle the weight while accelerating. 2nd gear was fine. 3rd gear took a long time to accelerate up to 4th and you really had to give it gas. The sucking sound of your engine swallowing fuel like this was a bit hard to take but the worst was coming in 4th gear. Once in 4th gear you always have to give it a pretty good amount of gas. There is no coasting even going down hills the jeep slowed quickly and I found my self pushing the gas to a point where noticeable engine rattling was present while going up small hills. 5th was not usable anywhere in city driving. On the interstate 6th was not a good place to be unless your going around 75mph or faster. I try to stay at 65mph or slower on the highway and have always had the best fuel results doing so. There was no sweet spot on the highway with these tires. You used gas and a whole lot of it.

I only had the KM2s for about one month. During this time, I did take the jeep off road on several occasions and was very impressed with the amount of grab and control I had in every situation. This is an impressive tire by BFG and if I'd had better gears it would have been just fine. No regrets with trying this tire. I gained a lot of experience running it on my jeep and hopefully some of this will be found useful to others.

Discount Tires allowed me to run another brand new set of Duratracs in the 33x12.5R15 size while the MTZs came in. It was only for one day and the new tires came very quickly. The second set of Duratracs had a bad front right tire this go around straight from Goodyear and needed a lot of weight. Steering wheel shimmy at speeds of 45-55mph was present and more noticeable when cornering at these speeds such as on or off an interstate. I had a very long and great conversation with the whole team at Discount Tires while they mounted the Mickey Thompson's about the persistent balancing issues with this size/tire/make. Several employees there run the Duratracs in other sizes without issue.

Now onto the new set of Mickey Thompson MTZs. Had these mounted this morning and drove home which was about a 15 mile interstate only trip. Very little weight to balance and all tires are round. They are just as loud as the KM2s, feel just as strong, and feel like they are well made. These weigh in at 56 lbs per tire and feature just slightly different sizes for their tread depth and width than the KM2s. The have a little bigger treads than the already impressive KM2s and feature very real and usable side wall teeth. This is were both of these tires shine too. Each has the ability to grab along their sidewalls with spectacular results. The MTZ have the largest out of the three tires mentioned here and they go further down the side than the other two as well. Driving them with my stock gears feels a little better. Its amazing what every pound of difference can make. It's not night and day but a little better and I think more livable for me.

I thought I'd close all of this by putting up some pics for everyone of my jeeps evolution through two lifts, cut bumpers, new track bars, new bolts, and many new tires/wheels. I've included a video walk around of both the BF Goodrich KM2s and the Mickey Thompson MTZ below. Enjoy -

225/75/16 Day I bought it.


245/75/16 Goodyear Duratrac


255/75/17 Wrangler SRA


255/75/17 Nitto Trail Grappler


33x12.5R15 Goodyear Duratrac


33x12.5R15 BF Goodrich KM2


33x12.5R15 Mickey Thompson MTZ

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Honestly. You made the comment about the 33x15 Duratracs, talking about the balancing issues w/ the increased sidewall.
Im thinking that is why the 35x15 is not as popular ?
3 of my Km2's can't be balanced either in that size (35x15)
I just think the increased sidewall w/ a smaller rim doesn't hold up as well.

I can't imagine airing these things down, you would think they would deform lol

Man that's crazy.... When you gonna freakin regear? Lol

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You could of bought a jeep with the amount of $ you have spent on wheels and tires MTZ s look good though.
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You could of bought a jeep with the amount of $ you have spent on wheels and tires MTZ s look good though.
Agree, sexy tires.

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The 255/75/17 Nitto's look best to me.
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I'm thinking you're right KJ. It's why I went 17s still for my 33s. Most of the tires in 15s are C range and that just seems to light duty for a wrangler.

I'm thinking I need to take my 285/70/17 duratracs and get them road force balanced. I can feel a slight vibe at 55 then it goes away.
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Honestly. You made the comment about the 33x15 Duratracs, talking about the balancing issues w/ the increased sidewall.
Im thinking that is why the 35x15 is not as popular ?
3 of my Km2's can't be balanced either in that size (35x15)
I just think the increased sidewall w/ a smaller rim doesn't hold up as well.

I can't imagine airing these things down, you would think they would deform lol

Man that's crazy.... When you gonna freakin regear? Lol
I think 35s on 15s are very popular but I believe in my experience that BFG and Goodyear has some quality control issues within both sizes. Time will certainly tell. The KM2s balanced just fine and drove well after the front were replaced. Some tires just aren't as round as others. Kjeeper have you had weights put on both sides of your wheels? This is really the only way to truly balance the tire to zero. If you don't you will always be running them in the "acceptable range". We know how good that can be right?

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You could of bought a jeep with the amount of $ you have spent on wheels and tires MTZ s look good though.
Nah, only a bit under $1,000 or so all things considering. Each set has been sold nearly or at full retail value when moving to the next. The last four above as mentioned in my post were all on the same dime. No money exchanged each time. They were simply returned. It's been good times..

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I'm thinking you're right KJ. It's why I went 17s still for my 33s. Most of the tires in 15s are C range and that just seems to light duty for a wrangler.

I'm thinking I need to take my 285/70/17 duratracs and get them road force balanced. I can feel a slight vibe at 55 then it goes away.
C load range tires are perfect for jeeps. In any circumstance I wouldn't go beyond a load range of D because of the weight issues. Jeeps can do it with D load ranges but it's at the cost of usable power and fuel. You can always re-gear but not everyone chooses too. Load range E tires are IMO not good for jeeps because they are designed for 1/2 to full ton trucks with a lot more vehicle weight. There is no reason to run these load ranges on a Jeep especially a two door.
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thanks for the insight I've been thinking about moving to a km2 next, and now I know what to expect
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I think 35s on 15s are very popular but I believe in my experience that BFG and Goodyear has some quality control issues within both sizes. Time will certainly tell. The KM2s balanced just fine and drove well after the front were replaced. Some tires just aren't as round as others. Kjeeper have you had weights put on both sides of your wheels? This is really the only way to truly balance the tire to zero. If you don't you will always be running them in the "acceptable range". We know how good that can be right?

Nah, only a bit under $1,000 or so all things considering. Each set has been sold nearly or at full retail value when moving to the next. The last four above as mentioned in my post were all on the same dime. No money exchanged each time. They were simply returned. It's been good times..

C load range tires are perfect for jeeps. In any circumstance I wouldn't go beyond a load range of D because of the weight issues. Jeeps can do it with D load ranges but it's at the cost of usable power and fuel. You can always re-gear but not everyone chooses too. Load range E tires are IMO not good for jeeps because they are designed for 1/2 to full ton trucks with a lot more vehicle weight. There is no reason to run these load ranges on a Jeep especially a two door.
Mine were road forced to "0", it's the out of roundness, there is nothing that can be done.

Just look at a 35x15... There is just so much rubber, they just ask for balancing issues. Running them down to 15 psi would reek havoc on that much sidewall I assume?

Kelsey, you are correct, running a 15" is probably not the best off road ??


" Quality control" exactly <------ because of the balancing issues. Being a C load doesn't help either.
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I didn't have balance issues with the GY MT/R's but definitely have issues with the Duratracs. Not sure if that was because of 15's or the Kevlar in the side walls of the MT/R but probably won't go back to Duratrac's for my next set either. Thinking getting 35/12.5/15 MT/R's for my next set
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I didn't have balance issues with the GY MT/R's but definitely have issues with the Duratracs. Not sure if that was because of 15's or the Kevlar in the side walls of the MT/R but probably won't go back to Duratrac's for my next set either. Thinking getting 35/12.5/15 MT/R's for my next set
Would be a fine choice. Have you considered the same size in Toyos, Coopers, or Mickey Thompson? Lots of other great tires too.
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Would be a fine choice. Have you considered the same size in Toyos, Coopers, or Mickey Thompson? Lots of other great tires too.
Funny.... I was peeking at some of the other brand tires in the Q-tec mag earlier.
Before you posted

I've yet to install the beads. I'm kind of used to the vibes anyways
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Funny.... I was peeking at some of the other brand tires in the Q-tec mag earlier.
Before you posted

I've yet to install the beads. I'm kind of used to the vibes anyways
Not sure if you saw my other question but did you ever have a place put weights on the outside of your wheel too?
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funny.... I was peeking at some of the other brand tires in the q-tec mag earlier.
Before you posted

I've yet to install the beads. I'm kind of used to the vibes anyways
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Beads or new tires?


But NO .... Weights only 1 side ?
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Beads or new tires?
Beads. I'm waiting for a trial
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Beads. I'm waiting for a trial
Needa fire lit under mr a** lol

Let's see , maybe tomorrow
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I have a '12 JKUR and am going to upgrade it for a trip to the San Jauns in Southwest Colorado in late July.

So I added the Rock Hard engine/tranny panel, Lower control arm reinforcements, a Rock Hard plate for the fuek tank. Next if muffler and resonator protection.

I've got a good winch and bumpers, so now all need is tires.

I think I'm picking up a set of 34" KM2s. I like the KMs I have now, these are just bigger at 305/70/17. The 17" wheel should support the sidewall better than that of a 15" wheel, So it should corner better. It should balance better. Being a trail tire, it should the perfect pattern and construction for rocky mountain trails. I haven't decided on wheels, somthing without too much backset,

Thanks ESP for your insight.
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Ok peeps.... Beads are going in
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^ Nice want to see pics of everything. Let us know how it goes.
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Done installing the Dyna Beads.

Very easy. A trick I saw on YouTube was to use a wood engraver to help the beads through the stem. The vibration keeps them from getting clogged.
$8.00 Harbor freight

DB says to drive with the weights first. If everything is Ok to start with the fronts-remove-and drive. Then remove the rears. If a tire is too far out, the weights can be used along with the beads.

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Great pics. Really looking forward to seeing what you think of using those especially since you've had vibes for a while. Those wheels look much nicer in the pics you just put up. Very clean and I dig the design.
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Great pics. Really looking forward to seeing what you think of using those especially since you've had vibes for a while. Those wheels look much nicer in the pics you just put up. Very clean and I dig the design.
Thanks man. Pics do zip with these
wheels.

First impressions- honestly, hard to tell right now. Most of vibes are most felt at 60 mph. Some days worse than others.
I went for a drive on the highway, pretty much stayed at 60 the whole time. The beads appear to help, hard to tell right now?
I need a drive -to and from work-with a known/familiar section of highway. I'll report back tomorrow.

Also, I have 1 valve stem that doesn't want to stay sealed and it let's out air. I did catch it it before Filling the tire. I tried another valve but same thing. I was hoping once filled it would hold air. The stem itself might be bad. I have to keep an eye on it.

So far.... Looking promising except for the one valve
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Good to hear. My go ahead and try this and just leave the weights on too.
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Good to hear. My go ahead and try this and just leave the weights on too.
If all works out, I don't see leaving the weights on to cause issues.

I know for sure 2 of my tires are bad. The instructions say to mark the locations and put the weights back on if need be.
that's if the tire has a bad enough lateral imbalance like in my case.

The purposes of the beads is to run no weights and always have a balanced tire

And thanks ESP for letting me totally derail
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Can't wait for the review. Might have to get this myself. What is the cost of the beads and kit to do this? Got a link on where to buy?

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