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Old 03-21-2012, 04:18 PM   #1
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35" on Stock tailgate?

I am curious how long I can keep a 35" on a stock tailgate for solely street driving ( waiting for shipment of tire carrier) or is it wiser to just go without spare for limitied time? Thanks.

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with all that bouncing up and down, I have no idea but I wouldn't put a 35 on my stock rear tailgate, no way. I'm rolling around without a spare everywhere I go lol...it is a bit foolish, but how stranded can I get in a city of 600k+....not very. I would say go without for a bit, I think it looks cool without too.

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^x2 on the go without. It can do more damage than good. If you go wheeling just throw it in your trunk. Other than that just be careful where you drive so you don't run over glass
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My 33 freaks me out every time I close the tailgate as it is. It feels like the metal is gonna buckle and the spare is gonna rip off!
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call me crazy my 35 [really a 34 1/2 ] fits fine on my tailgate sits on the bumper no movement.try not to keep tailgate opened to much
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Take a good hard look at the OEM tire mount; paper thin cast aluminum. Cast aluminum can shatter like glass; ok, exaggerated. Even jeep must have considered this when they added a safety strap of steel in the carrier. Or at least my 08 has it.
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Although I agree with the above posters to ride around without a spare, I just don't listen to good advice sometimes.

I put this on my tail gate: Oversized Tire Carrier

But honestly, I had to make so many fabrications to make it easy to use (search for my post), and the build quality is not all that good. I would not recommend getting this particular product, but something like it would be good.

Or get a proper bumper tire carrier.
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Mines been on the stock carrier for over a year. I just recently took it off cause my tailgates making some weird noises now. none of the welds broke.
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Whether this happens at all seems very hit or miss. But I personally wouldn't run anything over a 33" on the stock carrier. Actually, my 33" setup weighs in at 86lbs and I'm a bit paranoid about my gate!

Here are a few examples that I posted in another thread.

The Rescue Green JK was running 315/75/16s. Pulled the spot welds right through.
The black one was running a 295/70/18. Same thing.
The owner of the Steel Blue one noticed his spots welds separating, so he put in self tapping sheet metal screws to stop it from pulling all the way though.



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I am curious how long I can keep a 35" on a stock tailgate for solely street driving ( waiting for shipment of tire carrier) or is it wiser to just go without spare for limitied time? Thanks.
Results vary, depending on the wheel, tire, weight of wheel/tire, how it rests on the bumper, how it rests on the bump stops, how you drive, how bumpy the terrain is that you're driving on (even for solely street driving, as you stated), etc. Personally, I wouldn't risk it, but that's just me.
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Although I agree with the above posters to ride around without a spare, I just don't listen to good advice sometimes.

I put this on my tail gate: Oversized Tire Carrier

But honestly, I had to make so many fabrications to make it easy to use (search for my post), and the build quality is not all that good. I would not recommend getting this particular product, but something like it would be good.

Or get a proper bumper tire carrier.
I'm using this temporarily till I get my OR-FAB tire carrier in the next month or so.

Smittybilt 2743 - Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier in Black for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Haven't had any probs w/this one. Adjustable for tire size, has an adjustable 3rd brake light mount, and seems very stable. Mine has been very quiet, but I did get a PM from a member who says his has been rattling and driving him nuts.

I'd recommend this as a long-term replacement for the chintzy stocker only if you're running light- to mid-weight 33's. Anything more than about 75-80 pounds I'd start looking into bumper/tire-carrier combos, or something like the OR-FAB, especially if you do a good bit of off-roading.
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I'm using this temporarily till I get my OR-FAB tire carrier in the next month or so.

Smittybilt 2743 - Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier in Black for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Haven't had any probs w/this one. Adjustable for tire size, has an adjustable 3rd brake light mount, and seems very stable. Mine has been very quiet, but I did get a PM from a member who says his has been rattling and driving him nuts.

I'd recommend this as a long-term replacement for the chintzy stocker only if you're running light- to mid-weight 33's. Anything more than about 75-80 pounds I'd start looking into bumper/tire-carrier combos, or something like the OR-FAB, especially if you do a good bit of off-roading.
wolf, I know you mentioned looking into the Teraflex "holder" that will be released around Easter. Didn't know if you had seen their video yet. Looks like a lot of work went into it. I'm still not fond of the price tag ($499), but it does seem quality and will have a great company standing behind it. But at that price point, I would rather go with the OR-Fab since it has jerry can / rotopax mounting locations, hi-lift mount location, etc. If the Teraflex unit was around $300-$350, I would definitely jump on it.
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wolf, I know you mentioned looking into the Teraflex "holder" that will be released around Easter. Didn't know if you had seen their video yet. Looks like a lot of work went into it. I'm still not fond of the price tag ($499), but it does seem quality and will have a great company standing behind it. But at that price point, I would rather go with the OR-Fab since it has jerry can / rotopax mounting locations, hi-lift mount location, etc. If the Teraflex unit was around $300-$350, I would definitely jump on it.
Yeah, I've seen that video (pretty sure it was in a post by you). It looks awesome, but I agree with your price point assessment. At the moment I'm leaning toward the OR-FAB w/the Rotopax system.

The TF carrier should be out before I make the purchase, though, and I'm gonna give it a hard look before I decide.
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Thanks for all the input. Since I only use the Jeep basically for going to the gym and back (able to ride bike to work) I think I will wait rather than take the chance of an unfortunate accident.
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Thanks for all the input. Since I only use the Jeep basically for going to the gym and back (able to ride bike to work) I think I will wait rather than take the chance of an unfortunate accident.
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Based on my reading (I don't actually have 35s), for other than really heavy tire/wheel combos I think the answer is:

(1) Tailgate - Can hold most 35" tires forever. Especially for street driving. No worries.
(2) Tire Carrier - Not long. Don't wait too long before swaping it out for the Smittybilt one or something similar.

I think folks get confused on "tailgate" versus "tire carrier," and the result is a lot of conflicting info.
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Based on my reading (I don't actually have 35s), for other than really heavy tire/wheel combos I think the answer is:

(1) Tailgate - Can hold most 35" tires forever. Especially for street driving. No worries.
(2) Tire Carrier - Not long. Don't wait too long before swaping it out for the Smittybilt one or something similar.

I think folks get confused on "tailgate" versus "tire carrier," and the result is a lot of conflicting info.
See the pics I posted above. Those are broken tailgate welds. Can some tailgates withstand the 35" forever? Possibly. But definitely not a risk I would take. But, like yomondo said in his post, it partially depends on how you treat (or beat) your rig.

Also saw a pic of a busted tailgate weld while using the Smittybilt oversized carrier. But can't find it now.
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See the pics I posted above. Those are broken tailgate welds. Can some tailgates withstand the 35" forever? Possibly. But definitely not a risk I would take. But, like yomondo said in his post, it partially depends on how you treat (or beat) your rig.

Also saw a pic of a busted tailgate weld while using the Smittybilt oversized carrier. But can't find it now.
Interesting. So then the replacement tire carriers really may not be enough. Good to know--thanks.
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Interesting. So then the replacement tire carriers really may not be enough. Good to know--thanks.
Actually, if you think about it, the only real replacement for the stock carrier is the Smittybilt unit. There are a few other products out there, such as the MBRP kit, that simply reinforce the stock carrier with brackets that go inside the tailgate. Then there are other products that relocate the tire further out and up but that still use the stock carrier.

The best thing to do is to get the weight off the gate altogether. Carriers such as the OR-Fab unit and the Genright aluminum carrier do this by spreading the load across the corners of the Jeep using the hinge mounts as a mounting spot. Then there are carriers such as the Hanson that attach directly to the gate hinges and spread the load across them and their braced attachment points. The new, yet-to-be-released Teraflex unit (see video I posted above) is a full hinge replacement and works in a similar fashion. Then there is the frame mount carriers, which I can really only think of one; the AEV.
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Interesting. So then the replacement tire carriers really may not be enough. Good to know--thanks.
You mean like the Smittybilt one that fastens to the stock carrier location? I wouldn't trust it cause as 4Fit showed it does pull the welds out of the tailgate. The Smittybilt one is fine temporarily (personally probably still wouldn't) but why spend more money? I would run spare-less, as I did waiting for my carrier.

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You mean like the Smittybilt one that fastens to the stock carrier location? I wouldn't trust it cause as 4Fit showed it does pull the welds out of the tailgate. The Smittybilt one is fine temporarily (personally probably still wouldn't) but why spend more money? I would run spare-less, as I did waiting for my carrier.

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Yep, that's the one. Same as the High Rock one I believe.

It's too bad because it seemed like an affordable option for those that want to run 35s+. I remember watching the Bestop video on the High Rock one where they "explain" that the new JK tailgates (as opposed to the famously weak TJ tailgates) were safe up to some ridiculous number--350 lbs or some such thing. According to Bestop, that's why they offer a direct tire carrier replacement for the JK, but only a bumper anchored option for the TJ.

Apparently though, the JK tailgate may have a reasonably high failure rate regardless of the carrier.
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Hell, I've seen reports (just reports, so take your grain-o-salt tablets) that the stock Rubi setup has wrecked the welds with some really tough wheeling.

As for the stock carrier; it has always killed me that the owners manual says something along the lines of it not to exceed 50lbs. The stock 17" & 18" setups weigh more than that!
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As for the stock carrier; it has always killed me that the owners manual says something along the lines of it not to exceed 50lbs. The stock 17" & 18" setups weigh more than that!
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spare tire mounted carrier, it cannot exceed a gross
weight of 50 lbs (23 kg) including the weight of the spare

tire.

The wife thinks I'm crazy but not as much as Burt the dog, I just brought in one of my stock tires and weighed it on one of those real good beam type scales like you see at the doctors office; 59¾ pounds.

So if anyone is planning to add any aftermarket accessories to the spare tire carrier, I suggest you look into airing up with helium.
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I am curious how long I can keep a 35" on a stock tailgate for solely street driving ( waiting for shipment of tire carrier) or is it wiser to just go without spare for limitied time? Thanks.
Many guys are doing it, me included, but I support mine most of the time. I'm currently working on a piece that slides into the receiver hitch to support & protect 35 on stock carrier.

have heard of lots of damage to end gate & RR corner of tub.
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But at that price point, I would rather go with the OR-Fab since it has jerry can / rotopax mounting locations, hi-lift mount location, etc. If the Teraflex unit was around $300-$350, I would definitely jump on it.
This completely slipped my mind earlier today, but...

When I go to shoot a disaster zone (hurricane, tornado, whatever) I carry a LOT of stuff. Lately I've been trying to figure out new ways to pack it all without filling up the available sitting space, etc. I don't like the idea of carrying the Hi Lift on the outside of my rig, mainly cuz of the road salts up here in winter, and also cuz it's just another visible target for thieves.

I realized that, on my '12, a 48" Hi Lift jack fits perfectly under the rear seats, in the gap behind the front, vertical seat supports. Can't even tell it's there when you slide it all the way in, and there's even room for some other long items under there, as well. I bought a simple canvas Hi Lift jack cover and two short, hard rubber tie down straps with hooks on either end and...bam! Hi Lift is inside the Jeep, in a case, and can be pulled out in about 10 seconds.

Not sure if it would work on earlier model 4-doors (though I don't see why not), but here's a pick of what I'm talking about...

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This completely slipped my mind earlier today, but...

When I go to shoot a disaster zone (hurricane, tornado, whatever) I carry a LOT of stuff. Lately I've been trying to figure out new ways to pack it all without filling up the available sitting space, etc. I don't like the idea of carrying the Hi Lift on the outside of my rig, mainly cuz of the road salts up here in winter, and also cuz it's just another visible target for thieves.

I realized that, on my '12, a 48" Hi Lift jack fits perfectly under the rear seats, in the gap behind the front, vertical seat supports. Can't even tell it's there when you slide it all the way in, and there's even room for some other long items under there, as well. I bought a simple canvas Hi Lift jack cover and two short, hard rubber tie down straps with hooks on either end and...bam! Hi Lift is inside the Jeep, in a case, and can be pulled out in about 10 seconds.

Not sure if it would work on earlier model 4-doors (though I don't see why not), but here's a pick of what I'm talking about...

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Ah perfect. I was thinking of doing that with the 60" I got. I'll have to give it a go.
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This completely slipped my mind earlier today, but...

When I go to shoot a disaster zone (hurricane, tornado, whatever) I carry a LOT of stuff. Lately I've been trying to figure out new ways to pack it all without filling up the available sitting space, etc. I don't like the idea of carrying the Hi Lift on the outside of my rig, mainly cuz of the road salts up here in winter, and also cuz it's just another visible target for thieves.

I realized that, on my '12, a 48" Hi Lift jack fits perfectly under the rear seats, in the gap behind the front, vertical seat supports. Can't even tell it's there when you slide it all the way in, and there's even room for some other long items under there, as well. I bought a simple canvas Hi Lift jack cover and two short, hard rubber tie down straps with hooks on either end and...bam! Hi Lift is inside the Jeep, in a case, and can be pulled out in about 10 seconds.

Not sure if it would work on earlier model 4-doors (though I don't see why not), but here's a pick of what I'm talking about...

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This is a great idea! I actually had mine outside and it got a bit rusted lots of salt here! So I cleaned it up and was looking for a new place to put it! and this looks like it! Thanks for sharing!
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This completely slipped my mind earlier today, but...

When I go to shoot a disaster zone (hurricane, tornado, whatever) I carry a LOT of stuff. Lately I've been trying to figure out new ways to pack it all without filling up the available sitting space, etc. I don't like the idea of carrying the Hi Lift on the outside of my rig, mainly cuz of the road salts up here in winter, and also cuz it's just another visible target for thieves.

I realized that, on my '12, a 48" Hi Lift jack fits perfectly under the rear seats, in the gap behind the front, vertical seat supports. Can't even tell it's there when you slide it all the way in, and there's even room for some other long items under there, as well. I bought a simple canvas Hi Lift jack cover and two short, hard rubber tie down straps with hooks on either end and...bam! Hi Lift is inside the Jeep, in a case, and can be pulled out in about 10 seconds.

Not sure if it would work on earlier model 4-doors (though I don't see why not), but here's a pick of what I'm talking about...
I've seen a few people put them there. Certainly a good place for it. I also like the Woods rollbar mount, but seems like if would obstruct a bit of the view. There are a couple other rollbar mounts that place it lower towards the tailgate, but it would get in the way more there.

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