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Old 03-02-2012, 08:36 PM   #1
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4.88 or 5.13 gearing

I am ready to tackle the re-gearing of my rig, I am not sure whether to go with 4.88's or 5.13's in my '11 JKU, automatic trans, 35" tires......anyone with any experience or insight would be much appreciated.."..
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I am ready to tackle the re-gearing of my rig, I am not sure whether to go with 4.88's or 5.13's in my '11 JKU, automatic trans, 35" tires......anyone with any experience or insight would be much appreciated.."..
I know you want to regear but look at this thread started by PieFace who doesn't want to regear.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wan...ar-141613.html

Now this was a thead intended for 2012 but it has lots of info about regearing in general and for 2012, <2012, auto and manual.

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Well, you can get by with a 2012 and not regear but pre-2012 you really have to consider it. Especially a JKU. You might even get by with a 2 dr and 35's if you have a Rubi with 4.10 gears. But there really is a huge power drain with a JKU and 35's.

4.88 if 33's (and could still go to 5.13)
5.13 if 35's no question about it especially in a JKU

Have 4.88 and 33's and sometimes wish I went with 5.13 when towing. Freeway I am glad for 4.88.
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I am ready to tackle the re-gearing of my rig, I am not sure whether to go with 4.88's or 5.13's in my '11 JKU, automatic trans, 35" tires......anyone with any experience or insight would be much appreciated.."..
I'm with Rick. The 4.88's would be a waste of $$ for your rig with 35's.

Take a look at the chart below. It's pretty general, but will give you a rough idea of where you'll be, rpm-wise, with various tires at speed on the highway. Don't go by mfr tire size, though. You want actual size. For example, my 35's are really 34", so that's what I'd use.

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I have a TJ running 35s and 5.13s. The pinon is small, but yay 5th gear. Glad I went so high.
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After owning several Toyota trucks when I was younger, Ive come to the conclusion that most people on WF require to much power for how they drive. The toyota 22re is about one of the most tame four cylinder 4x4 power plants out there in its day. I had run 33-38.5 on various models and never regeared. Just compansated for power lost and drove according. The first generation JK with a 3.8l six banger is not a power beast, but even with the added weight, it still hauls better then my old yotas ever could. I dont believe running 34-35 tires is gonna suck the power any more then a yota on 38.5. Regearing certainly will put that arse dyno back where it should be, but I just cant justify 4k to switch both axles gear ratio out. Am I the only jeeper who thinks settling with stock gears is ok? I found on my yotas amd TJs for that matter, once you were in low range, you cant notice power robbing over sized tires, and out on the highway it isnt necessary to drive like you stole it. Dont gey me wrong, if I had the luxery to afford gears and labor I would be inclined to spend it, but in my world, stock is good enough for weekend warrior geo cache stuff.
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I've gotta '08 JKUR/auto/ 33.6" tires-

I would never go with a regear LESS than 5.13 gears/w auto--mine is 5.38 and for cruising/towing/off-road-I'd never get even 5.13s-

My JKUR weighs 5200 lbs avg and my power is great/mileage is good/throttle response-IMMEDIATE/O/D use even when towing is substancial !

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For 35s with the 3.8 and an auto trans, my reading leads me to believe 5.36 would be the best choice.

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Regearing certainly will put that arse dyno back where it should be, but I just cant justify 4k to switch both axles gear ratio out.
$4k? Prices I've seen are generally south of $2k, no?
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YUP, generally $1200 to $2000 bucks, depends on the shop and GEARS/warranty/labor rate and rebuild kits-

Mine was YUKON/lubelockers/Master install kits/Synergy Ball joints/Valvoline fluid--$1958 bucks

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For 35s with the 3.8 and an auto trans, my reading leads me to believe 5.36 would be the best choice.

$4k? Prices I've seen are generally south of $2k, no?
Any shop ive looked into charges 10 hrs an axle plus parts and overnight lift fees. At 150 per hr, it adds up. Wish I had luxery of specialty shop that could do it cheaper and quicker
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I'm going with 4.88s myself so I can keep the Dana 30 up front.
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I'm going with 4.88s myself so I can keep the Dana 30 up front.
I thought they make 5.XXs for the D30 now?
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I thought they make 5.XXs for the D30 now?
those are for the D30s in the JK, which is different from the D30s used in the YJ and TJ
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My 2011 is a 6 speed manual with 3:21 gears. If I am reading this chart right, when I go to 33's, 4:10 gears would be ideal for my DD light trail use jeep, Yes or no? Any reason to go bigger?
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those are for the D30s in the JK, which is different from the D30s used in the YJ and TJ
Yeah, I figured he was talking about JKs, since this is the JK section. But looking at his profile, I see I'm probably mistaken.

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My 2011 is a 6 speed manual with 3:21 gears. If I am reading this chart right, when I go to 33's, 4:10 gears would be ideal for my DD light trail use jeep, Yes or no? Any reason to go bigger?
I wouldn't worry about regearing of you've got a 6 speed, particularly if you stick with a lightweight set of 33s. My 3.21s handle my 33s no problem--all I changed is that I don't bother with 6th gear anymore.

If you were going to go through the expense of a regear, you'd want to shoot higher than 4.10s. They'd produce a "stock-ish" performance that'd hardly be worth the cost. For 33s, you'd go for 4.56s and for 35s you'd go for 4.88s, either of which would give you better than stock performance. And if you're paying close to $2k, I've got to think you want it better than stock.
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I am ready to tackle the re-gearing of my rig, I am not sure whether to go with 4.88's or 5.13's in my '11 JKU, automatic trans, 35" tires......anyone with any experience or insight would be much appreciated.."..
Is it the Rubicon model? Reason I am asking is front axle a d44 or d30?

If a d30 then I would go with the 5.13 gears. If a d44 (Rubicon) then I would go with the 5.38 gears.

In my opinion the 4.88 gears are what the automatic models should have come with from the factory. The 6-speed Rubicon models running 32" tires and 4.10 gears seem to be decent on the highway. They are running at near 2500 RPM. To get the automatic equiped JK to spin at that RPM they need a 4.88 gear with the 32" tires. Now jump up to 35" tires (actually measuring 33.75" in most cases) and you need to go to at least 5.13 preferabely 5.38 ratio.

My JKU runs right at about 2500 RPM @ 70 MPH on the interstate and the cruise hold fine with no hunting in/out of overdrive. My mileage went up after swapping out the 4.10 gears and around town it feels like a different Jeep. It actually can move out of its own way from a standstill vs. the 4.10 gears I thought I needed to push it to get it going.

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My 2011 is a 6 speed manual with 3:21 gears. If I am reading this chart right, when I go to 33's, 4:10 gears would be ideal for my DD light trail use jeep, Yes or no? Any reason to go bigger?
That is correct, 4.10 gear ratio would be great for the 33" tire. Before you have them re-geared ask yourself if there is a chance that you will ever go larger, say 35" or even 37". If so now is the time to gear properly as it is not cheap to re-gear multiple times. If you think you will ever go larger I would go with 4.88 gears otherwise I would suggest the 4.10 ratio that you are thinking about.

There are many that just don't use sixth gear and run in fifth. You can do that, however, you will not be taking advantage of the mechanical advantage of proper gearing for your Jeep. I am a huge fan of getting the mechanical leverage back into the vehicle after altering tire size.

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With no regard to speed of the vehicle, what is the ideal rpm of the engine running down the highway mile after mile?
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With no regard to speed of the vehicle, what is the ideal rpm of the engine running down the highway mile after mile?
Generally speaking one would say at the lowest possible RPM, however, that is not necessarily the case. At too low of an RPM the transmission will hunt in/out of overdrive on an automatic. Also with too low of an RPM, especially in a high profile vehicle with a large frontal area like our Jeeps, the engine may be at a low RPM but the throttle position/ injector PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) may be at a point where it is actually lugging the engine and working it too hard at a lower RPM, this also creates more heat that the cooling system must expel. This is more detrimental to an engine than a higher RPM and working the engine less.

In my opinion on the 3.8 liter engine that is in a Jeep JK which is usually lifted (changing the frontal area) which drastically effects the drag of the vehicle and also loaded up with extra weight from bumpers, winches, tires/wheels and everything else we load them up with I think the 2400-2700 RPM range is the sweet spot for cruising.

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Unhappy gearing options???

I have a Rubicon jku !!!MANUAL6 SPEED!!! with 4.10's. I want to regear so I can get better fuel mileage and yes I know its a jeep but im getting 12.5 average. I eventually want 37s but I am on 35s now. I do highways but mostly street. im in a bind on weather to use 4.56 or stay where I am or even a different ratio. I NEED HELP
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I have 295/70/17 Nitto Trail Grapps on my '11 Sport w/ an auto and will be getting 5.13 gears put in this Monday.

I figure if I go with 35s in the future, it should still be low enough to work well.
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I have 295/70/17 Nitto Trail Grapps on my '11 Sport w/ an auto and will be getting 5.13 gears put in this Monday.

I figure if I go with 35s in the future, it should still be low enough to work well.
Did you end up regearing? How is it? I'm considering doing 5.13 on a 2011 JKU Rubicon automatic running 33's (32 actual height). Eventually I'd like to go up to 35's.
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I have a Rubicon jku !!!MANUAL6 SPEED!!! with 4.10's. I want to regear so I can get better fuel mileage and yes I know its a jeep but im getting 12.5 average. I eventually want 37s but I am on 35s now. I do highways but mostly street. im in a bind on weather to use 4.56 or stay where I am or even a different ratio. I NEED HELP
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4.88 seems to be your choice. Some folks love 4.88 on 35s and you can use them for the 37s also. If you were going to 37s right now then the choice would be 4.88 or 5.13s
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Did you end up regearing? How is it? I'm considering doing 5.13 on a 2011 JKU Rubicon automatic running 33's (32 actual height). Eventually I'd like to go up to 35's.
I love it. Lots more low end grunt and pull around 2500-2600 RPM at 70. The elockers I got are pretty sweet, too.
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5.13 will be just fine with 35s. I went with 5.38 for 37s and it is perfect IMHO.
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I love it. Lots more low end grunt and pull around 2500-2600 RPM at 70. The elockers I got are pretty sweet, too.
And you're still running the 295/70/17?

Also, did you ever experience your JK drop from overdrive straight to 2nd on the freeway at 65? Mine will with a severe headwind or if I give it gas to pass, so that is what I would hesitant about by going with the 5.13. But glad you are enjoying them... I'll seriously consider it!
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Well, you can get by with a 2012 and not regear but pre-2012 you really have to consider it. Especially a JKU. You might even get by with a 2 dr and 35's if you have a Rubi with 4.10 gears. But there really is a huge power drain with a JKU and 35's.

4.88 if 33's (and could still go to 5.13)
5.13 if 35's no question about it especially in a JKU

Have 4.88 and 33's and sometimes wish I went with 5.13 when towing. Freeway I am glad for 4.88.
Hmmm! I had a 2012 JKU w/ RK 2.5" Max Travel Pro lift, 35's, aftermarket bumpers and 10,000 lb winch and I re-geared to 4:88.
My Jeep was a slight bit over-geared living in Florida but when I went to the mountains for vacation, the 4:88 gears were perfect.
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And you're still running the 295/70/17?

Also, did you ever experience your JK drop from overdrive straight to 2nd on the freeway at 65? Mine will with a severe headwind or if I give it gas to pass, so that is what I would hesitant about by going with the 5.13. But glad you are enjoying them... I'll seriously consider it!
I haven't had that happen to me...although, I only drove it for a couple of weeks before re-gearing, so not sure if it would have with my 3.73s.

With the 5.13s, I haven't had it downshift yet when I set the cruise. It isn't really a highway driver, though, so my main point of reference is our loop, which is 65 mph.

And, yes, I still have the same tires.
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those are for the D30s in the JK, which is different from the D30s used in the YJ and TJ
On my 2010 JKU auto, I run 35's on stock 3.73. I'm hoping to regear this next year. I can't possibly imagine running less than 5.13, but aren't 5.38 out of the question/unwise with a Dana 30 front? Or are there options besides an axle swap I'm unaware of?

I'd like to move up to 37's, but I'll have to be financially prepared for everything else to go with it, including gearing, prior to pulling that trigger.

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