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Old 05-25-2012, 12:01 PM   #1
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4" Lift / 37" KM2s

Okay, so here is where I am at... I picked up a 2012 JKU Sport from a "private party" I got a great deal, which is allowing me to spend some $$$ on a few things that he did not do. So far from what I have been able to gather, this is what he has done:

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Here is where he left out since he never planned on taking it into the dirt. So my current list of NEEDS are as follows:

5.13 R/P
AEV Pro Cal
NITRO sleeves (so I dont have to weld)
SYNERGY Gussets (okay, a little bit of welding)
EVO Drag Link Flip
BUSHWACKER Flat Fenders

also gonna ungrade:

Ball Joints
Bump Stops

So I hope that I have it covered for the most part. I KNOW that there are 1000s of things that I can get, on top of my list, but I think that this should get me into some good adventures without too much risk...

Ideas???

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You hit the nail on the head when you said bumpstops. Diff covers are a great idea also
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Forgot the ball joints.

With a properly installed suspension and with a good alignment you can get away with having 37's and a 6" lift on stock ball joints for a minimum of 40K miles.

Throw in ARB air lockers when re-doing the gears and you will save yourself a lot of money on labor.

Trim your fender flares instead of buying $400 dollar fenders that are going to get scratched up anyway.

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Forgot the ball joints.

With a properly installed suspension and with a good alignment you can get away with having 37's and a 6" lift on stock ball joints for a minimum of 40K miles.

Throw in ARB air lockers when re-doing the gears and you will save yourself a lot of money on labor.
YES, ball joints are on my list. Or are you saying that I can hold off on the ball joints? I could use that $$$ on something else!!!

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Yes. Forget the ball joints. You don't need them right now. It's a brand new Jeep...
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Trim your fender flares instead of buying $400 dollar fenders that are going to get scratched up anyway.

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I suppose I could do that as well. I can just see my wife walking outside and me taking a saw to my JEEP... FUN TIMES!!! I noticed that everyone takes a different angle on the front flare. I guess as long as you keep the mounting side intact, you can pretty much do what you want with it right?
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Trim your fender flares instead of buying $400 dollar fenders that are going to get scratched up anyway.

I say get you some steel fenders and dont wory if they get scratched. A set of ACE fenders are cheap and they are strong. I slid off my line and had the jeep
resting on my back fender, all it did was mess the paint up. I would hate to see what it would have done to a trimed flare.


As ball joints go I would go ahead and change them out as soon as you can if your going to wheel it. Iv seen the stock ones get slopy in 500 miles of wheeling with 37's. Why take the risk?
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I figure that since I am gonna have everything off, I might as well change em out. I do like the trim or the cheap steel flares. I will probably trim first and then worry about replacing them later. I am not planning on getting CRAZY, just wanna go out and enjoy a bit of nature.
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I am 50/50 on the lockers. One one side - i know that they will allow me to get out of situations that might get me in trouble. Ont eh other - they WILL get me INTO situations that might get me in trouble.
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I really like the looks of those ACE tubular flares. Do they rivit on?
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I really like the looks of those ACE tubular flares. Do they rivit on?
No they bolt on. They come with nutserts, you have to drill a few extra holes in your tub to get all the bolts in. These things are not going anywhere, I tuink you would cave the tub in b4 you screwed them up.
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As ball joints go I would go ahead and change them out as soon as you can if your going to wheel it. Iv seen the stock ones get slopy in 500 miles of wheeling with 37's. Why take the risk?
I'm going to disagree here. You will break your axle before breaking your ball joints.

And upgrading ball joints on an already weak dana 30 axle, that is brand new, is not only a waste of money and time, but completely stupid...

I'm all about doing stuff right the first time but I am totally against spending and wasting time on shit that will break if you take it to any extreme. Just plain bad advice.

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I'm going to disagree here. You will break your axle before breaking your ball joints.

And upgrading ball joints on an already weak dana 30 axle, that is brand new, is not only a waste of money and time, but completely stupid...
Well I dont mind wasting money and time, but I do draw the line on "stupidity"... Thanks for the info sir!

I can put the ballies on the back burner and replace as a I break I guess (kind of going that route with my shafts).

I do like the trimming idea though! Look at you, you have saved me a ton of money already sir!!!
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Here is what the trimming looks like. My advice is to use a sawzall and take your time by masking carefully. Do not extract the Wheel well liner (in the front, the rear has to be removed) as it will save your engine from debris and it also helps support your fenders so you don't get any dancing fender flares on the freeway.

Also spray on some rubberized coating on the rear fender wells to eliminate rock noise/ dirt hitting the raw metal.

37" KM2's with a 2" lift and Trimmed Fender Flares.







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What did you use to "trim" the trimmings? It looks great by the way!!!
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What did you use to "trim" the trimmings? It looks great by the way!!!
Thank you. I used Door Edge Trim from your local Auto Parts store. Here we have Kragen and Autozone.
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Well that would make sense... THANK YOU!!!
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I'm going to disagree here. You will break your axle before breaking your ball joints.

And upgrading ball joints on an already weak dana 30 axle, that is brand new, is not only a waste of money and time, but completely stupid...

I'm all about doing stuff right the first time but I am totally against spending and wasting time on shit that will break if you take it to any extreme. Just plain bad advice.

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They dont break. They wear out and get sloppy. Have you ever seen something that has had a ball joint fail while going down the road? It's bad news.

I have been around lifted and moded trucks, jeeps, hell even cars my hole life and I can think of 3 off the top of my head that have went to the scrap yard beacuse of balljoint failing at the wrong time. Its cheap insurance to replace them and be done with it.

Any time you step up to tires over 35's you need to spend a bit of money to make sure things dont fall apart( Iv had a 39 come off a truck wheel and all going down the highway cause I cheaped out). I ovebuild all my stuff now and know most folks dont want to over build. Some things just have to be taken care of..

Trust me the balljoints will get slopy on you if you keep the jeep very long and off road it.
Of corse everyone does what they want to....but calling advice from some one who lives and breaths 4x4's just cause they dont agrea with you stupid is kinda.....
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ZRT,

We're having a M&J in Big Bear at the end of July! That would be an awesome test for your rig. Hopefully you can make it!

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They dont break. They wear out and get sloppy. Have you ever seen something that has had a ball joint fail while going down the road? It's bad news.

I have been around lifted and moded trucks, jeeps, hell even cars my hole life and I can think of 3 off the top of my head that have went to the scrap yard beacuse of balljoint failing at the wrong time. Its cheap insurance to replace them and be done with it.

Any time you step up to tires over 35's you need to spend a bit of money to make sure things dont fall apart( Iv had a 39 come off a truck wheel and all going down the highway cause I cheaped out). I ovebuild all my stuff now and know most folks dont want to over build. Some things just have to be taken care of..

Trust me the balljoints will get slopy on you if you keep the jeep very long and off road it.
Of corse everyone does what they want to....but calling advice from some one who lives and breaths 4x4's just cause they dont agrea with you stupid is kinda.....
I want to thank you for your advice, I really do appreciate it. I do agree that building it up to ensure possible damage is a good idea.
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We're having a M&J in Big Bear at the end of July! That would be an awesome test for your rig. Hopefully you can make it!

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That would be very cool. I will set what I can do. It SHOULD be done by then!
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They dont break. They wear out and get sloppy. Have you ever seen something that has had a ball joint fail while going down the road? It's bad news.

I have been around lifted and moded trucks, jeeps, hell even cars my hole life and I can think of 3 off the top of my head that have went to the scrap yard beacuse of balljoint failing at the wrong time. Its cheap insurance to replace them and be done with it.

Any time you step up to tires over 35's you need to spend a bit of money to make sure things dont fall apart( Iv had a 39 come off a truck wheel and all going down the highway cause I cheaped out). I ovebuild all my stuff now and know most folks dont want to over build. Some things just have to be taken care of..

Trust me the balljoints will get slopy on you if you keep the jeep very long and off road it.
Of corse everyone does what they want to....but calling advice from some one who lives and breaths 4x4's just cause they dont agrea with you stupid is kinda.....
I hear what you're saying...

We have owned 4 different JK's all on 37's and to this day we have not had an issue with ball joint play.

Ball joints will become sloppy and will go bad eventually. But so will after market ball joints. Bad alignment will eat through this stuff regardless of how much money you spend on upgrading it. Just because you buy a Dana 60 axle doesn't mean you're not going to be able to break it.

If you got negative camber on your alignment specifications or if you Jeep is suffering from bad road manners and you know for certain that your ball joints are shot, then yes it makes sense to upgrade them to better quality ones such as the ones with zerk fittings, poly performance.

But, if you don't fix your alignment, aftermarket, high quality, adjustable ball joints will go bad. It's just a matter of time and when.
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As far as I know anyone on the forum can attend. Last M&G we had people from Utah journey to California to join in and they had a blast!

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