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Old 10-18-2013, 08:49 AM   #1
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4" Old Man Emu lift kit

I am going to be lifting my jeep soon and was looking into the OME 4" kit. Anyone out there have this kit on their JK?

Pros and cons........ Go

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Two separate issues....

1) OME is generally quality stuff.

2) Why are you lifting 4", are you aware of the costs involved and the amount of work to have a nice riding jeep after that? If you are doing a 4" lift, you should be looking at 37s+.

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I am going to stick with 35" tires. I know some people may think that will not look right, but that's what I want. And yes, I am aware of the cost. I am going to do the install myself with the help of a friend with the tools and know how that I may or may not lack in. I am not going to be doing any serious 4wheeling, but I want a good suspension lift vs a budget boost. I don't care for the Budget boosts. I want a weekend warrior, a jeep that will be able to 4 wheel when I need it. Here is what I plan on doing...the only thing that I am open for discussion is the lift, I have not decided on that yet.

3-4" suspension lift with shocks
35" tires ( dura tracks or BFG A/T's)
16-17" steel wheels
Re-gear to 4.56
Ox cable actuated lockers either front or rear or both


Btw I have a 2010 2 door JK

There are other things I am getting, but let's just keep this thread focused on what's going on with the suspension.

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I have the OME 2" lift with HD coils. That netted me about 3 to 3.5 actual lift. I have 33s. My next tires WILL be 35s.
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Two separate issues.... 1) OME is generally quality stuff. 2) Why are you lifting 4", are you aware of the costs involved and the amount of work to have a nice riding jeep after that? If you are doing a 4" lift, you should be looking at 37s+.

I am glad to hear that your number 1 issue is that OME is good stuff


And your number 2

What work are you referring to, to keep a "nice" ride?

Elaborate.............
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I have the OME 2" lift with HD coils. That netted me about 3 to 3.5 actual lift. I have 33s. My next tires WILL be 35s.
Awesome! Are you satisfied with the quality from OME?
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I am glad to hear that your number 1 issue is that OME is good stuff


And your number 2

What work are you referring to, to keep a "nice" ride?

Elaborate.............
When you lift your JK 4" you are going to destroy the way it drives, rides, and handles unless it is done properly. To do it properly, you need A LOT of parts, not just the lift. You will need new drive shafts. If you don't replace the driveshafts, your rig won't be able to offroad at all (Im talking about dirt roads, let alone anything serious) or even hit a serious pothole. Your driveshaft will slam the exhaust.
Here is the problem you are going to have....



Your output shaft CV is also going to fail rather quickly...


Thats a decent cost right there, especially if you want a quality shaft like JE Reel. Next is your steering. If you don't address your steering (which will feel like you are about to crash and like its connected through a can of marbles) you will need a high steer kit/drag link flip kit. You will need both a front and a rear trackbar, and relocation brackets. You will need control arms to correct your caster, as well as drop brackets to bring the ride back to smooth levels. Also, 35" tires will look fairly tiny on a 4" lift. guys run 37-40" tires on a 4" lift. Your other post is listing two extremes. You have budget boosts at one end, and a 4" at the other. There are plenty of very high quality lifts that are not budget boosts. Whats your budget? For your plans (mild to no offroading) I would go with the AEV 2.5" or Metalcloak 2.5". They both come with progressive springs, which are perfect for the road, they both fit 35s without issue, and with flat fenders, you can run 37s. There is absolutely no reason to go any higher.
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I just finished putting the OME 2.5" lift in my 2012 2 door last night. Started at kickoff, finished by 1/2time. Very easy install to say the least. Net lift is 3.5" on medium springs.

Let me start by saying this is my 4th personal 4x4 to get OME suspension and the 10th 4x4 I've installed OME suspesnion on.

You don't need the 4" kit for 35" tires or even 37's.

2.5 kit clear 35's just fine with stock drivelines. 37's you'll just need flat fenders and bump stops. Big deal.

Medium rate springs ride awsome. I get them every time. Just firm enough to carry steel bumpers, winch, tire carrier etc without sagging. Soft enough to drive for 5 hours and not hate it.

If you want the 4" kit go for it man. Very high quality parts and ARB stands behind thier products 110%.

If you want lots of droop Northridge4x4 has thier own Old Man Emu long travel kit that works extremely well in the JK. I ran it in my 07 X and couldn't believe how hard it was to lift a tire.
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When you lift your JK 4" you are going to destroy the way it drives, rides, and handles unless it is done properly. To do it properly, you need A LOT of parts, not just the lift. You will need new drive shafts. If you don't replace the driveshafts, your rig won't be able to offroad at all (Im talking about dirt roads, let alone anything serious) or even hit a serious pothole. Your driveshaft will slam the exhaust. Here is the problem you are going to have.... Your output shaft CV is also going to fail rather quickly... Thats a decent cost right there, especially if you want a quality shaft like JE Reel. Next is your steering. If you don't address your steering (which will feel like you are about to crash and like its connected through a can of marbles) you will need a high steer kit/drag link flip kit. You will need both a front and a rear trackbar, and relocation brackets. You will need control arms to correct your caster, as well as drop brackets to bring the ride back to smooth levels. Also, 35" tires will look fairly tiny on a 4" lift. guys run 37-40" tires on a 4" lift. Your other post is listing two extremes. You have budget boosts at one end, and a 4" at the other. There are plenty of very high quality lifts that are not budget boosts. Whats your budget? For your plans (mild to no offroading) I would go with the AEV 2.5" or Metalcloak 2.5". They both come with progressive springs, which are perfect for the road, they both fit 35s without issue, and with flat fenders, you can run 37s. There is absolutely no reason to go any higher.
Ok all those driveline/steering issues have been thought of and noted from your post, thanks.

I have seen 35s on a 4" lift and I thought it looked pretty good.

I just mentioned budget boost because I wanted to make it known that I'm not interested in them.

Again, I'm sticking with 35s. If I decide later on that 37s will work better then I'll get them when I wear out the 35s. I really don't care what everybody else does.

As for the 4" kit from OME especially made for the JK, I am under the impression that the kit is pretty much just bolt on (with minimal modifications) and go. It comes with relocation brackets etc, and it has neat doo-dad (yes I said doo-dad) to correct the caster angle. I have emailed ARB/OME about driveline issues etc to get their input.

I'm not stuck on OME, I just really like the new 4" kit they have.
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I am with NFRs2000NYC here. 4" is too much to just grab and go. You will want/need adjustable control arms, driveshafts, adjustable trackbars, longer brake lines. Those items alone total over $1K. You can get away with just lower fronts and upper rears and vice versa. It isn't as easy as getting 4" springs and longer shocks. I would suggest a 2.5" lift. 35's fit perfectly under a 2.5"

35's on about 3.5" and flats. Could easily fit 37's. (note I had adjustable control arms, tackbars and Adams Driveshafts)



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http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...jk-298665.html

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I too, am an OME fan and whenever anybody wants an opinion for lifts I always plug OME. This is my third wrangler...my first was a Golden Eagle(still kick meself in the arse for selling that one) 89 YJ and my 07 JKUR. I put on the OME medium duty springs/shocks and got 3" of lift. You'll have to relocate the front and rear trackbars and either loosen or buy brake line extensions for when you flex. I had some wobble issues so I put on the AEV control arm relocation brackets and replaced the stock track bars with the adjustable JKS (love those) which brought the ride back to stock. Also have an OME steering stablizer. I am running Falken Rocky Mountians 35's on the 17" Moab rims and put on the Bushwacker flat fenders. As been said before any lift over 3" on the JK's one needs custom driveshafts. I clear everything I want on the trails at LBL in Kentucky and the trails at Ft. Leonard Wood in Missouri. Its my DD with moderate play on occasional weekends. With the 35's came sleeves and gussetts to help the front axle not bend/bow.
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This is the kit I am referring to...... It's not just springs and shocks. I will more than likely replace track bars with adjustable ones (maybe after further research etc) I am still waiting for a response from ARB. Plus guys..... The kit comes with a OME sticker and OME beer coozie! You can't beat that!! Haha

I appreciate the response, you all have the gears turning in my head... Keep em coming.

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This is the kit I am referring to...... It's not just springs and shocks. I will more than likely replace track bars with adjustable ones (maybe after further research etc) I am still waiting for a response from ARB. Plus guys..... The kit comes with a OME sticker and OME beer coozie! You can't beat that!! Haha I appreciate the response, you all have the gears turning in my head... Keep em coming. http://www.expeditionportal.com/vehi...angler-jk.html
Nice kit, but a lot of lift without some key components.
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That is a great kit. I couldn' afford the whole thing at one shot so I bought the items a few at a time until I had everything I needed. If you do the work yourself like I did, you'll need to disconnect your brakelines so the springs go in the perch easily or use spring compressors available for loan at the local Advance Auto Store. A bit tedious but fairly easy. Just a lot goes into adjustments on the JK on a lift over 3" no matter what kit one buys.
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I got email from ARB, after my last question I'll post what he says! I'm anxious to see what y'all's response will be.
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Nice kit, but a lot of lift without some key components.
What items would you add to this lift kit?
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That is a great kit. I couldn' afford the whole thing at one shot so I bought the items a few at a time until I had everything I needed. If you do the work yourself like I did, you'll need to disconnect your brakelines so the springs go in the perch easily or use spring compressors available for loan at the local Advance Auto Store. A bit tedious but fairly easy. Just a lot goes into adjustments on the JK on a lift over 3" no matter what kit one buys. Good luck.
Thanks. And On your Last post, I plan on sleeving at the very least too.
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ARB makes some of the best components for offroading, their stuff is well engineered, well made, etc. I think that kit is 90% there. I would add an evo drag link flip kit, an AFE Y pipe (will buy you time for the OEM driveshafts) and thats it. When the driveshafts let go, then I'd change those out.
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As far as the kit goes, depending on how much and where you are going to wheel, I would change the solid swaybar links to the JKS quicker disconnects for greater flex range unless you have the electric sway disco's. I also didn't put on the rear spring spacers to give the ride a more level look.
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ARB makes some of the best components for offroading, their stuff is well engineered, well made, etc. I think that kit is 90% there. I would add an evo drag link flip kit, an AFE Y pipe (will buy you time for the OEM driveshafts) and thats it. When the driveshafts let go, then I'd change those out.
Ok. You'll be interested in the first response from ARB. I'm waiting for the second response.

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As far as the kit goes, depending on how much and where you are going to wheel, I would change the solid swaybar links to the JKS quicker disconnects for greater flex range unless you have the electric sway disco's. I also didn't put on the rear spring spacers to give the ride a more level look.
If I go with this kit, I'll probably just leave those swaybar links alone, they already disconnect. Those quicker disconnects you mention are SICK! I've seen them in my research, but I'd rather not spend more money on something that already does what i want. Maybe down the trail I'll upgrade
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The ARB kit already comes with quick discos. Just pull the pin and you're good to go. However, I'd replace the pin they come with to a stainless steel pin, so they don't rust...otherwise, carry pliers in the jeep.
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The ARB kit already comes with quick discos. Just pull the pin and you're good to go. However, I'd replace the pin they come with to a stainless steel pin, so they don't rust...otherwise, carry pliers in the jeep.
Good idea!
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I lifted my 2012 Jeep 4.5 and I run 37s.

Didn't need anything other than the lift kit, new wheels and an AFE pipe for driveshaft clearance.

Had to extend my breather lines for the diffs but that was about it.

It's been on there over a year and it rides like a cadillac on the street and off road nothing has broken or bent yet (I don't do just dirt roads)

I hit potholes and stuff all the time. I have had my Jeep airborne with all four wheels off the ground (not on purpose, I hit a whoop going too fast) when running the Bradshaw trail in California near the train tracks and nothing broke, bent, fell off (my dogs were weightless in my Jeep for a second LOL) but no drama whatsoever.

Stock control arms, stock brake lines, etc.

Why is there all this FUD about lifting a Jeep?
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I lifted my 2012 Jeep 4.5 and I run 37s. Didn't need anything other than the lift kit, new wheels and an AFE pipe for driveshaft clearance. Had to extend my breather lines for the diffs but that was about it. It's been on there over a year and it rides like a cadillac on the street and off road nothing has broken or bent yet (I don't do just dirt roads) I hit potholes and stuff all the time. I have had my Jeep airborne with all four wheels off the ground (not on purpose, I hit a whoop going too fast) when running the Bradshaw trail in California near the train tracks and nothing broke, bent, fell off (my dogs were weightless in my Jeep for a second LOL) but no drama whatsoever. Stock control arms, stock brake lines, etc. Why is there all this FUD about lifting a Jeep?
I don't think anyone on this thread has any FUD about lifting a Jeep, it's all about lifting a Jeep correctly for the owners intention. Heck I may even stray away from a 4" and go with a 2.5"-3" lift. Which right now, sounds to be less complicated than a 4". Still waiting for the second response from ARB.............
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Have a 4" kit with 37's, adjustable trackbar, adjustable lower arms and 4.88s being installed right now. Be done tonight/tomorrow. I would really question the caster on a 4" or 4.5" with stock arms. Eventually gonna get some nasty DW!
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I would really question the caster on a 4" or 4.5" with stock arms. Eventually gonna get some nasty DW!
That's why I am here If I need to upgrade the stock arms, then I will! I'm not going to get technical (bc I don't know that much) but everybody knows ARB/OME knows their stuff when I comes to suspension.
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That's why I am here If I need to upgrade the stock arms, then I will! I'm not going to get technical (bc I don't know that much) but everybody knows ARB/OME knows their stuff when I comes to suspension.
Its not that simple. Just because the lift is great, doesn't mean it won't negatively effect other components. Having adjustable control arms is great, but without moving the mounting point, they operate at the incorrect angle, making the ride worse and throwing off the geometry. The OME kit doesn't come with anything to fix the steering (a high steer kit) which is needed. The 4" kit WILL kill your driveshafts, and its not a matter of IF, its a matter of when.
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Ok I feel the consensus is that the kit is almost complete, it just needs some other replacement parts like lower control arms and possibly drivelines


This is the first response from ARB.....


"Up to the 2011 model year, the kit has everything you need. For 2012+ Jeeps, you’ll need a different front driveline and/or -at least - a spacer kit to drop the exhaust down. If you space the exhaust down and keep the stock driveline, the operating angle is too much for the joints and it will wear out prematurely.


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From that email, I guess my 2010 will be fine with stock drivelines. It's crazy, I know. Guess I'll have to install it to find out.

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