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Old 01-01-2014, 06:28 PM   #1
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400 miles and this?! :-(

Well, I introduced myself here: First post and a lot done in my 1st week of ownership. Bought the Jeep on Christmas eve and have put 400 miles on it. I walk out into the garage today and see fluid all over my garage floor by the rear driver side wheel. Here's what I found:




Looks like a leak in the rear axle. Really?! What have I got myself into?

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Old 01-01-2014, 06:35 PM   #2
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Unfortunately it can happen. I would have the dealer flat bed tow it in.

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Old 01-01-2014, 06:51 PM   #3
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Well, I still drove it afterwards, but I know I'm treading on thin ice doing that. I'll probably take it in Friday morning. Just frustrating as I have a bunch of parts coming in and I'm antsy to put them on. Wondering where the leak is and how long of a procedure it'll be to fix.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:58 PM   #4
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Hopefully its not brake fluid since you are driving it around...
Edit: if Its the axle like you think it should not be green. Does it just look green in the pic?
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Don't think its brake fluid. Brake line is clean as are the calipers. Pretty sure it's out of the axle.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:08 PM   #6
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Check the fluid in the rear and see how much is in it and go from there
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:10 PM   #7
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Where and how is it checked?
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Don't think its brake fluid. Brake line is clean as are the calipers. Pretty sure it's out of the axle.
It's gear oil from a bad axle seal. I feel your pain as my 2 week old 2013 Sport was leaking from the front differential cover. Seriously disappointing and the only thing that keeps me going it my quest to replace all the crappy poorly designed parts that the MOPAR engineers dipsticks foisted on us.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:21 PM   #9
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It's gear oil from a bad axle seal. I feel your pain as my 2 week old 2013 Sport was leaking from the front differential cover. Seriously disappointing and the only thing that keeps me going it my quest to replace all the crappy poorly designed parts that the MOPAR engineers dipsticks foisted on us.
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Interesting. The axles are assembled as sub-assemblies by a very respected American company named Dana. Jeep engineers had nothing to do with the design of your Dana 44 rear end.
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Hope the 4" Mopar lift they installed holds up. Lol! But I agree with the axle supposedly being top notch. Is that point tampered with when a lift is being installed? Wondering if the installer jacked something up? No pun intended. Lol!
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:52 PM   #11
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Hope the 4" Mopar lift they installed holds up. Lol! But I agree with the axle supposedly being top notch. Is that point tampered with when a lift is being installed? Wondering if the installer jacked something up? No pun intended. Lol!
How long between the lift and the axle leak
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I had this happen on my '13 at under 4000 miles. Dealer had it about a week because they had to order parts. It actually seems pretty common. I was able to find plenty of other mentions of it when I googled it. Good luck!
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1-2 weeks since the lift.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:02 PM   #14
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Interesting. The axles are assembled as sub-assemblies by a very respected American company named Dana. Jeep engineers had nothing to do with the design of your Dana 44 rear end.
What I find interesting is that you chose to nit pick the sub-assembly factoid and yet missed I was speaking about the FRONT differential. Since we are obviously on different ends of the design spectrum please defend the location of the emission evap canister and the vacuum pump. Do you know where either is located and why I might have reason to question the decisions of the engineers?
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:03 PM   #15
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What have you got yourself into? You modified your vehicle. You can no longer look at this as a factory issue. Once to modify you open yourself up to all kinds of issues, not the least of which is a faulty installation.
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What I find interesting is that you chose to nit pick the sub-assembly factoid and yet missed I was speaking about the FRONT differential. Since we are obviously on different ends of the design spectrum please defend the location of the emission evap canister and the vacuum pump. Do you know where either is located and why I might have reason to question the decisions of the engineers?
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I also question incoming quality at the assembly plant. My last Wrangler had the entire IP replaced at less than 3000 miles because it would not stay attached to the cross car steel. When the dealer replaced it I asked to see the IP since I'm an interior plastics engineer for a supplier to Ford, GM and Chrysler. We don't make that particular part, so I wanted to see what our competition is putting out and man was I shocked.

The part was warped, had missing clips and short shots on attachment points. I checked with a buddy and that IP was a assembly sent to Toledo Assembly. I guess Chrysler doesn't check anything that comes in as an assembly, but neither do Ford, or GM, so it isn't a surprise.

Respected supplier like Dana or a brand new supplier, every supplier can have quality issues.

Do those issues make me not want a Wrangler, well no, since I bought a new one after trading my last one for my Dart. I really have no issues with Chrysler, they did a almost 3,000 repair to my new Dart two weeks after I bought it because the dealer that originally took the vehicle lost one of the keys and they didn't say one word about replacing the IP on the last Wrangler.

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What I find interesting is that you chose to nit pick the sub-assembly factoid and yet missed I was speaking about the FRONT differential. Since we are obviously on different ends of the design spectrum please defend the location of the emission evap canister and the vacuum pump. Do you know where either is located and why I might have reason to question the decisions of the engineers?
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You are obviously Not-So-Happy-Camper. Geeeeez Dude. Guess what? Your FRONT axle and his REAR axle came from the same people; Dana.

And yes, I do in fact know where the evap canister is located (and even what it's for). Your point?

Here's my point; IF you are so disappointed with the quality and engineering of your Jeep Wrangler, then why did you buy it? It's not like all of this is a big secret.

Some people would just bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:36 PM   #19
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A few things...

1 if it was brake fluid leaking you would know it

2 do you really think a lift install could cause an axle seal to leak?

3 come on now daggo

4 why the hell would you have it flat towed for a small axle leak.


Its either just over filled from the factory or you got a bad seal or a out of round axle shaft. My money is on it being over filled.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:59 PM   #20
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Hopefully it's just overfilled. It's just disheartening having a car for a week and having issues. My IS-F had zero issues and was putting out 500hp. The same with the GT-R and over 600hp. We'll find out when I get it to the dealer.
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A few things...

1 if it was brake fluid leaking you would know it

2 do you really think a lift install could cause an axle seal to leak?

3 come on now daggo

4 why the hell would you have it flat towed for a small axle leak.


Its either just over filled from the factory or you got a bad seal or a out of round axle shaft. My money is on it being over filled.
I was thinking over filled at first but it would've thrown fluid out of the hose and that would have happen early , that was my reason for when the last time it was touch

So now I am leaning towards bad seal or out of round shaft
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Axle seals can leak from being over filled before the line pukes. The lines usely dont start puking till the diff gets good and hot and with only 400 miles on the clock this might not have happened yet. Just speculation of course
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It's gear oil from a bad axle seal. I feel your pain as my 2 week old 2013 Sport was leaking from the front differential cover. Seriously disappointing and the only thing that keeps me going it my quest to replace all the crappy poorly designed parts that the MOPAR engineers dipsticks foisted on us.
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Why would you buy these parts then? Isn't it kind of crazy to spend $20+ k on a vehicle when you're only planning on using the body off it?
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Why would you buy these parts then? Isn't it kind of crazy to spend $20+ k on a vehicle when you're only planning on using the body off it?
I guess that makes me insane then.
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I guess that makes me insane then.
I'm not saying I'm not insane here...

But...I have avoided certain mods because it would get me to that point. Mostly the small block chevy mod.

There's a certain point where you have to realize you can buy a jeep shell for 5 grand.....

And I also dont run all over the wrangler forum complaining about how horrible jeep engineering is blablablabla. I happen to think they did a decent job, and if i thought it was *that* bad, i would..............have not bought it.
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I'm not amazed with quality control. Coming from european brands ( Porsche, merced, general Jap)

I cannot believe that american companies cannot for the life of them keep quality at a premium. you snooze you lose .. watch the italians fix the quality control problems...

The mercedes g55 is starting to look real sweet
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I'm not amazed with quality control. Coming from european brands ( Porsche, merced, general Jap)

I cannot believe that american companies cannot for the life of them keep quality at a premium. you snooze you lose .. watch the italians fix the quality control problems...

The mercedes g55 is starting to look real sweet
Maybe it's me, but some of the crapiest cars I've owned were German cars. Including a BMW 325 and a Mercedes 300e. Then again, nothing beat the POS 1986 Volvo 240 I owned (Swedish, not German). That 240 won a "frequent visitor to the Volvo service department award!"
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I'm not amazed with quality control. Coming from european brands ( Porsche, merced, general Jap)

I cannot believe that american companies cannot for the life of them keep quality at a premium. you snooze you lose .. watch the italians fix the quality control problems...

The mercedes g55 is starting to look real sweet
What I find really strange is that the only place I have ever really found foreign products to be any better than domestic is in the domestic industry publications.
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Foreign cars are always better than US cars in magazines like Motor Trend, or Car and Driver.
Foreign motorcycles are always better than US cycles in Cycle World; etc.
Yet my short experience of 50 years of driving and riding brands X,Y,andZ; US and foreign is that they are all just mechanical devices that can and will break down at the most in-opportune times.
One of the reasons we kicked their aZZes in WWII was because of their inferior shit! Of course, this is ancient fricking history, so it is really irrelevant!
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Every piece of machinery the Germans had was better quality than USA made equipment. We just had a LOT more of it.
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I just noticed today that both of my front axles are leaking. It looks like it's leaking from the axle seals.

Mine is a 2013 with 10K miles on it. I do have a 3inch lift and I am running 35inch tires.

I wonder if the dealership will cover it or say that it's not covered since I have a lift and bigger tires.

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