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Old 12-10-2010, 11:42 AM   #31
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:45 AM   #32
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It isn't the fact someone should read the manual or do a forum search or internet search first before asking a question. They should and it doesn't hurt to point that out in a way that is friendly. Of course if the person is demanding because they didn't get a answer they wanted then...oh well. But I don't think we should be rude just because we "think" they might be rude if we don't answer the way they like.

It is a public forum where the creators I assume want a inviting atmosphere where someone isn't afraid to ask a question no matter how stupid some might think it is or not. Tell them about the manual and how the information is in there and if they have any questions about what the manual is saying then feel free to ask. To keep this the best forum we need to make sure people aren't afraid to ask a question even if the answer is it is in the manual.

Boy this thread took a life of it's own lol.

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Old 12-10-2010, 01:32 PM   #33
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Also, when folks say "read the manual," I don't think they expect (or are even suggesting) that someone should literally read the manual cover-to-cover. Nobody does that. It's a reference book--like a dictionary or encyclopedia--not a novel. You refer to it when you have a question.

Sure it's got in excess of 200 pages on keys, wipers, windshields, doors, door locks, seat belts, and other mundane items many people will likely never have a question about. But it's also got a very specific five pages on the TPMS that was helpful to me the other day. The four pages on 4wd similarly provide a great sketch of the basics, and there's thirteen pages of off-road driving tips. All from the company that actually built your Jeep. Why wouldn't you want to at least flip through those?

Keep in mind that sometimes the folks on this forum are wrong, and reviewing the manual for a particular topic can help prevent you from taking some bad advice. For example, do you know how many posters I've seen say that the low pressure alarm on the TPMS system can be caused by the spare tire? At least in a 2010, that's not true--Page 409: "A low spare tire will not cause the 'Tire Pressure Monitoring Telltale Light' to illuminate or the chime to sound."

Alright, I'm moving on from this topic. Sheesh . . . .
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Old 12-10-2010, 02:06 PM   #34
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I originally joined this forum to learn about lifts, wheels, different mods etc. I wanted to learn so I could mod my Wrangler. I wanted to have the knowledge and the information to make wise decisions.

I joined as a vendor since I thought my imput as a salesperson might help some of you when buying your own Wrangler or when having issue with your local dealers.

My dealership wants me to join other forums the funny thing is I have yet to find another one I like. The members of this forum really try to help each other and that's what makes this forum special. I've only met one member face to face so far but I feel like I have good friends all over the country.

bottom line, we need to answer the questions if we know the answers and we also need to direct people to the threads that have all the indepth information that makes this forum so unique.
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Old 12-10-2010, 03:57 PM   #35
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Well, I just read all of the posts in this thread. It was a long read. I didn't notice the OP return and post again. I hope we didn't scare him off. I will agree that reading the manual is a good thing and I use it as a reference as well. So, to the OP I would invite you to read the section on four wheeling as others have said. Further I can tell you of my experiences as this is my first experience with a four wheel drive anything. I have wanted one since I first started driving and can tell you that waiting until I was 50 was pretty stupid looking back, but I'm here now. My neighbor saw that I was having so much fun with mine, he went out and got one. Then he joined this forum and told me about it. Then I joined the forum. I have been on many others but this one is my favorite because it is friendly. The moderators help to keep it that way and the members have pretty much self policed as is evident in this thread. So, I hope you come back and post about your experiences. I, many times start out a reply with a story as many fellow posters will tell you but I usually get to the point....eventually....so here goes:

After possibly reading the manual, and maybe reading some about the various modes of the transfer case, I would suggest trying various modes out in various conditions while being overly cautious. As an example, someone on the forum posted that on the standard transmission in 4 low, you can stand on the brake and the engine will not stall and the jeep will keep moving forwards. I have gone out and tested that one in many situations and found it to be true. This will be useful to me if ever I am in a situation where I know that I will need to move forward in an off road situation and I'm nervous about falling backwards. Had I not read it and practiced it, I may have been in trouble in a difficult spot and maybe my jeep could be wrecked or worse, I could have been hurt. Now that I am armed with this knowledge and have practiced it, I may no longer even fear the situation. Kinda like when I went down my first real double black diamond trail called "Upper F. I. S." at Smugglers Notch in Vermont. I knew I wanted to do that so I practiced at my local mountain for hours upon hours before I attempted it. When I did finally try it, my heart was in my throat for at least the first three turns. When I finally realized that I could keep my speed under control, my heart went back into my chest and breathing calmed. Off roading can be like that too. So I say, find things to try by reading the manual, and on the forum here. Then look for places that are mundane where you can experiment safely. Then work your way up to the wild experiences. Try to keep your heart pumping but not out of control. This is, by the way, the reason that many, and I include myself in this, have purchased a jeep when we could have been more conservative. So, go out and try some stuff and come back and let us know about your experiences. Best of luck with your jeep.
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Never experienced driving in snow, but i guess turning on 4x4 (4 H) would be a good thing to do here .
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Putting your vehicle in 4hi on slick pavement isnt going to help anything, thats just two more tires to break loose because of your heavy foot. If you are sliding in the snow, slow down....
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Putting your vehicle in 4hi on slick pavement isnt going to help anything, thats just two more tires to break loose because of your heavy foot. If you are sliding in the snow, slow down....
I don't know if I would totally agree with this. I think with careful driving - translate: speed under control - that being in 4wd will help the jeep to travel in a straight line. Even if you had 18 wheels, on ice, it won't help keep it straight. Now, chains or studs, that is a different animal altogether.
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I don't know if I would totally agree with this. I think with careful driving - translate: speed under control - that being in 4wd will help the jeep to travel in a straight line. Even if you had 18 wheels, on ice, it won't help keep it straight. Now, chains or studs, that is a different animal altogether.
If you are losing traction in snow, its because you are traveling too fast for your tires combined with the weight of your vehicle, just like water. Now if you are sliding in ice, thats a totally different story. I live in arkansas, we have some of the nastiest ice storms in the country in this state. Sometimes theres nothing you can do to mitigate when ice is on the ground.

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