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Old 12-01-2011, 06:53 PM   #1
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I have a 08 JKU and I love to ride without the door is the warmer weather. I also have a 6 year old son that loves it to. Right now he is in a 5 point harness car seat in the middle. Well by next summer he will out grow it. Can I install a 5 point harness seat belt in the middle? If so which one would you recommend?

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I have a 08 JKU and I love to ride without the door is the warmer weather. I also have a 6 year old son that loves it to. Right now he is in a 5 point harness car seat in the middle. Well by next summer he will out grow it. Can I install a 5 point harness seat belt in the middle? If so which one would you recommend?
Corbeau and Mastercraft both make great harness systems. However, MOST are designed for use with attachments (usually a bar behind the front seat, or an anchor on the B-pillar).

Here's a link to each company. Quadratec sells products from both companies, including harnesses, but there stuff is geared more towards those who also buy specialized replacement seats.

I bet if you called them, somebody could steer you toward something that'd keep your munchkin safe when you're cruising sans hood. Can't hurt to try.

Corbeau: Harness Belts

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While they are better at holding you in the seat, I'm not sure if they are a legal alternative to a seatbelt. If you get in an accident wearing a traditional seatbelt and someone needs to get you out quick, they cut the strap in any spot and you are free as it is 1 strap. A 5 point harness is just that: 5 straps. If someone needs to get you out, they have to cut 4 of them. I would probably go with just a booster seat and a regular seatbelt
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I was looking for a harness for my third row install and found that most 5pt harnesses are not legal for street use (no DOT approval)

I've found schroth makes ones that are legal but doesn't seem to work on my seats. For the second row you might get it to work.

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Old 12-02-2011, 01:24 AM   #5
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While they are better at holding you in the seat, I'm not sure if they are a legal alternative to a seatbelt. If you get in an accident wearing a traditional seatbelt and someone needs to get you out quick, they cut the strap in any spot and you are free as it is 1 strap. A 5 point harness is just that: 5 straps. If someone needs to get you out, they have to cut 4 of them. I would probably go with just a booster seat and a regular seatbelt
Most people wear just the lapbelt portion of a five-point harness anyway. I can't quite imagine how this works with whatever you have for your child. I guess he's in the middle of the back seat. You must have a carful (Jeepful?). Do you have a 3rd row seat?

As for cutting you out, they do that for regular seatbelts because they latch on the side where the buckle is hard to get to. With a 5-pt harness, you (or your rescuer) just flip the lever right in the middle of your lap and you are free. There are probably some EMT folks on this list somewhere - have you ever had to cut anybody out of a harness?
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:10 AM   #6
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actually most 5-points are street legal... you need to buy from a real dealer and they will have a tag on them letting your know.
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I don't trust a regular seat belt for him. That is the reason I am not to happy using just that. I was in an accident and hit a guard rail at about 55 and not one seat belt in the car locked up and we both went face first into the dash. And no the air bags didn't go off. I have looked at some 5 point harness's and they say they have a quick release.
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Double check the car seat laws in your area. Many of them have changed and are much more stringent. How I managed to survive being a toddler in the 60's is beyond me.
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I don't trust a regular seat belt for him. That is the reason I am not to happy using just that. I was in an accident and hit a guard rail at about 55 and not one seat belt in the car locked up and we both went face first into the dash. And no the air bags didn't go off. I have looked at some 5 point harness's and they say they have a quick release.
was this accident in your jeep? i only ask because i feel like my seatbelts will lock up for anything! i know they kept my passengers in their seats when i flipped my jeep on its side, and even if im just braking from like 30-20 i can feel them tightening. i feel like the wranglers seatbelts are very safe.

of course, im still going to add a 5 point one day, just cuz of the awesomeness
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It was not in my JEEP. It was a 02 mitsubishi lancer. I plan on going down the the JEEP place down the street and talking to him today too. Plus I would love to do some shopping for myself.
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Thread resurrection!

Did you ever find a solution?
I have a seven year old, and was thinking about a 4-point for the center bench in my (soon to be delivered) JKU.

She is still in a high back booster, and it's design would allow for the 4-point straps to work.
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In California if you have a 5 point harness and don't have all five points hooked you can be ticketed for not using the restraint correctly
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. It was a 02 mitsubishi lancer..

No wonder the thread died....it was a Lancer LOL
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Old 06-03-2014, 12:21 PM   #14
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Nope. But but I dont ever take the back doors off any more with the newest addition. He will be 2 in july and his seat is in the middle so my now 8 year old hit a huge growth spurt and to big for even a booster now.
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Cool! Congrats on the new addition (a couple of year late.. lol).

I'm going to do a bit of research on the restraint I had in mind and see where it comes out.

I don't plan on taking the back doors off while she is with me for a while.. Probably not until she is old enough to sit in the front. But I though that a good 4 point type belt would give me some good peace of mind while off-road with her in the back.
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I didnt mind having the doors off with just him in the middle but not now. We look a little silly but thats okay. Im thinking maybe those steal half doors?
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I didnt mind having the doors off with just him in the middle but not now. We look a little silly but thats okay. Im thinking maybe those steal half doors?

I guess anything is better than nothing, however, the Jeeps doors and tops according to Jeep are not for anything more than protection form the elements - they do not provide any crash protection.

So, really if your concern is crash safety and Kids, the Jeep would be my last choice. There is some inherent risk when owing a vehicle like a jeep with doors removed.
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To me JEEP says that to cover there ass. Call me crazy but I would rather be t-boned with my doors on than off!
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To me JEEP says that to cover there ass. Call me crazy but I would rather be t-boned with my doors on than off!

There isnt another SUV, Car , or truck on the road that puts a little yellow sticker in the cab of the vehicle stating that.

I guarantee you they are covering their ass because if you ever seen the inside of a Jeep door vs a Door off a GMC Yukon for example you would see why.

Alot of people have concerns about riding around with no doors, top off with their kids....but its usually after they already have it home.

So, with that said you can do what you can, car seat etc but at the end of the day its Jeep and not really a family car in the sense that most think of when they are talking about a family vehicle.

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