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Old 11-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #91
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I have also recently noticed that it is noticably harder to shift into 2nd from first. If I push the clutch all the way down and pull the shifter into 2nd from 1st it seems like i can hold the shifter against the slight resistance until the shifter almost gets sucked into 2nd gear. Is this the synhcro's aligning or something? At first I was blaming it on my noobish shifting ability but I don't believe that is the issue anymore.
I hope, I answered your question in my previous post..

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Update - talked with the service manager yesterday and they ordered a new transmission. Not thrilled about having a new vehicle taken apart but at least they are responding to the problem.

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Update - talked with the service manager yesterday and they ordered a new transmission. Not thrilled about having a new vehicle taken apart but at least they are responding to the problem.
Are they also replacing the shifter tower assembly? That is what they did for mine and thus far, no problems. Knock on wood.
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Are they also replacing the shifter tower assembly? That is what they did for mine and thus far, no problems. Knock on wood.
He said the shifter assembly was part of the unit. So I "assumed" so but not really sure I guess. I'll have to ask...
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I noticed that dealers seems to replace "defective" manual transmission.. This for me indicates that the "forces" at Fiat/Chrysler seem to know they have a problem.
The problem is that they have is untrained techs who think manual transmissions need to "break in the torque converter". They do not want them inside a transmission.
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Update - talked with the service manager yesterday and they ordered a new transmission. Not thrilled about having a new vehicle taken apart but at least they are responding to the problem.
good luck, mine didnt start doing it until 30,000km , the box and shifter assembly was then replaced and it still does it now.
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The problem is that they have is untrained techs who think manual transmissions need to "break in the torque converter". They do not want them inside a transmission.
I wonder what a "trained" tech will do if you have a "real" JOG condition..Just replace the affected parts with new parts form the parts depot.. Same thing will happen if those parts are not "certified" OK parts.

In my previous business life we never allowed the dealer to tinker with transmissions.. we had a replacement system in place and this allowed us to pinpoint field issues pretty fast.. I will admit that I don't understand the Chrysler warranty and policy system that well.. I also believe they do a lot of things "ad hoc".. but according to an article in the Detroit News ... The "New" Chrysler is going to change all that... read here
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I wonder what a "trained" tech will do if you have a "real" JOG condition..Just replace the affected parts with new parts form the parts depot.. Same thing will happen if those parts are not "certified" OK parts.

In my previous business life we never allowed the dealer to tinker with transmissions.. we had a replacement system in place and this allowed us to pinpoint field issues pretty fast.. I will admit that I don't understand the Chrysler warranty and policy system that well.. I also believe they do a lot of things "ad hoc".. but according to an article in the Detroit News ... The "New" Chrysler is going to change all that... read here
At least it seems that they are beginning to admit the problem and replace transmissions. It was pretty frusterating for a month or so trying to sort this issue out at the dealer level. So far, the replacment transmission I had installed has had no issues with JOG.
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FYI ... wanted to post an update.

Well it's been about 1,000 miles since the new transmission and so far things are working great.
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6-speed Liberty transmission pops out of 1st gear

This problem is not limited to Wranglers. It is occurring with Jeep 6-speed manual transmissions in general. My 2005 Liberty has 50,000 miles and the transmission has been doing this for a while. I just got the car back from the dealer who replaced the synchronizers and shift stops. The day after I got it back it started popping out of first gear again.
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:49 AM   #101
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I also have a 2009 Wrangler six speed (2700 miles) and noticed that it pops out of 1st gear. I believe it's only starting off from a dead stop and has happened about 10 times normally just after starting it up.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:08 AM   #102
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I also have a 2009 Wrangler six speed (2700 miles) and noticed that it pops out of 1st gear. I believe it's only starting off from a dead stop and has happened about 10 times normally just after starting it up.
Get it into the shop right away so they can start documenting the problem. The only remedy seems to be transmission and shifter assembly replacement. You don't want it popping out of gear as you attempt to cross traffic or merge. Good Luck.
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Sounds as if the problem is primarily internal. Mine has never done this in 25,000 miles. I had similar issues with my Cherokee years ago. It turned out to be a fore and aft adjustment of the entire console to relieve shifter obstruction by the console. Not that this is the issue here.

Also, try to avoid driving with your hand on the shift lever when not shifting. The lever has direct interaction with internal transmission parts. This has been proven to cause unnecessary wear and failure of manual transmissions. Automatics do not have this issue.
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I own a 2008 6speed Wrangler and problem with it popping out of first gear started at only 10k. I took it in, it was test driven, "well it didn't do it for us". The problem never went away, now at 20k, yes you can never tell when it's going to happen. Not much fun having it done to you while turning left, getting stuck in intersection and slightly avoiding getting hit by a city bus. I looked my problem up and thanks to this thread, I now know I am not the only one with the issue. Brought it in today, new transmission is being ordered, (good or bad who know's) because they looked it up on the computer and found that others were having the same problem. Why they didn't believe me in the first place, I will never understand, but thank you.....
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:36 AM   #105
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I own a 2008 6speed Wrangler and problem with it popping out of first gear started at only 10k. I took it in, it was test driven, "well it didn't do it for us". The problem never went away, now at 20k, yes you can never tell when it's going to happen. Not much fun having it done to you while turning left, getting stuck in intersection and slightly avoiding getting hit by a city bus. I looked my problem up and thanks to this thread, I now know I am not the only one with the issue. Brought it in today, new transmission is being ordered, (good or bad who know's) because they looked it up on the computer and found that others were having the same problem. Why they didn't believe me in the first place, I will never understand, but thank you.....
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I also own a 2008 Unlimited it started popping out of gear at 30K miles its been a couple of months now . Like others it sometimes pops out VERY hard .
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:45 AM   #107
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So glad I found these thread 'coz wasn't sure if it was my driving skills now.

Bought a 2010 Sahara and yes, the 1st geared popped out the third week I was driving it. It's only 400km. I've been to the dealer 3x and they cannot replicate the problem.

Been driving stick for years, leased 2008 Sahara and never had any problem of gears popping out.

Same as a few people experiencing the problem...

...heard a bang (didnt know it was the gear at first)
...always 1st gear and usually coming from a dead stop or when just about to creep up in any directions
...dealer said "they are not insulting my driving skills but am I really pushing it in gear?"; They say I should also hear two clicks; I should also bring it when its around 2000clicks and then they might be able to solved the problem; in the mean time continue driving it even when it pops out in gear by then I might have break it in.
...been happening 1-3x a day for this whole week so I was just researching this problem till I saw these thread
...just feeling stressed, scared and unsafe lately with this $30+++vehicle

I'm still reading and learning from this forum so hopefully I have more say when I go back to the dealer
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Jeep Popping out of gear!! FRUSTRATED


This is my first "new car" experience and my 2008 Jeep Wrangler has transmission problems. Everything I've read just makes me more pissed off!
Yes, I was told the same thing as others..cannot replicate the problem...even questioned on how I drive it..long story short.
I had a new transmission installed after a month of complaining...now..I have the same problem again, 5 months later.
When this happened to me in August of 2009, I was told they are looking into this...blah blah. I found this person..
michael.palese@chrysler.com says he's sending my complaints to someone else..etc..The Colorado zone manager has denied my buy back request, not even called me back, the owner of Pro Jeep is sick of me, along with the service manager. I'm not going to let Chrylser screw me over..I WANT OUT OF THIS JEEP!!
I spoke to an attorney today in Colorado and he's reviewing my service records since I was denied a buy back ..oh wait, they did offer me $3k towards another purchase of a vehicle..I would rather walk than purchase another Jeep....bottom line, keep complaining. Email this guy, maybe he can help. I'm in limbo today with Michael, still waiting on the person he passed along my information too, to call me back..
Additionally, contact a lemon law attorney!! If it does not fall under the Lemon Law Act it might fall under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:59 PM   #109
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You have to be sure that the inner boot is not working against you.. A stiff and incorrect placed inner boot will not allow full travel of the gear shifter and this will invite a JOG (Jumping Out of Gear) condition..Ask you dealer to remove the inner/outer boot and run the Jeep for a few weeks and make a judgment..
If I am not mistaken I discussed this in some earlier posts in this thread...
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This is my first "new car" experience and my 2008 Jeep Wrangler has transmission problems. Everything I've read just makes me more pissed off!
Yes, I was told the same thing as others..cannot replicate the problem...even questioned on how I drive it..long story short.
I had a new transmission installed after a month of complaining...now..I have the same problem again, 5 months later.
When this happened to me in August of 2009, I was told they are looking into this...blah blah. I found this person..
michael.palese@chrysler.com says he's sending my complaints to someone else..etc..The Colorado zone manager has denied my buy back request, not even called me back, the owner of Pro Jeep is sick of me, along with the service manager. I'm not going to let Chrylser screw me over..I WANT OUT OF THIS JEEP!!
I spoke to an attorney today in Colorado and he's reviewing my service records since I was denied a buy back ..oh wait, they did offer me $3k towards another purchase of a vehicle..I would rather walk than purchase another Jeep....bottom line, keep complaining. Email this guy, maybe he can help. I'm in limbo today with Michael, still waiting on the person he passed along my information too, to call me back..
Additionally, contact a lemon law attorney!! If it does not fall under the Lemon Law Act it might fall under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
Keep pushing. Not right, not safe, and not acceptable.
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Some shifter boot thingy was already tried..along with a new tranmission.

FYI, The law offices of Beatty, Bangle and Strama in Austin 512.879.5050 represent Chrylser directly regarding disputes.

I'm not giving up and I'm fighting this to the very end.
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Dear USAntigoon,

So far your solution to the "popping out of gear" makes the most sense. I have a 2008 Jeep Wrangler X and was lucky enough to have it run smoothly until about 35,000 miles. Since then it has continued to pop out of first gear even after an inner boot replacement, a transmission replacement, and then another transmission replacement about a month later. None have solved the problem. I have spoken to a Chrysler rep and they are now going to do a repair related to the synchronization. I hope it works? Based on what you've indicated here it makes the most sense. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks.
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It might be worth you time to talk to the Service Manager. Insist that he call the Chrysler Regional Tech. Be persistant. It took me a couple of months of back and forth with the dealership before we finally got the Chrysler Field Rep involved and he approved the repalcement. Each time the JOG occurred, I made the dealership aware. I took it in multiple times and they were able to document the on-going problem.
1Eyedjack-consider yourself lucky that you've had no further problems. I've had my inner boot, outer boot, and have had the transmission replaced twice. The second transmission is worse than the first. I've spoken to so many people at Chrysler senior resolutions and the dealership that I should be rich by now if they'd given me a dollar for everytime I've talked to them. Now they believe it is a sync problem between 1st and 2nd gear. It is scheduled to go in for this repair in about two weeks. I will let you know if this works?!
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1Eyedjack-consider yourself lucky that you've had no further problems. I've had my inner boot, outer boot, and have had the transmission replaced twice. The second transmission is worse than the first. I've spoken to so many people at Chrysler senior resolutions and the dealership that I should be rich by now if they'd given me a dollar for everytime I've talked to them. Now they believe it is a sync problem between 1st and 2nd gear. It is scheduled to go in for this repair in about two weeks. I will let you know if this works?!
UGH!!! Keep us posted.
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Hello forum, this is my first post. I joined because of first gear JOG with my 09 Rubicon.
It started about at about 3000 miles and I have 20000 now. Thanks to the research and
suggestions by usantigon and 440junk, I went ahead and removed the outer boot before
trying the dealer approach. After removing the boot I was amazed at the difference in the feel of the shift. It seems to almost suck the stick into gear rather than resisting like it did before. Also, on examining the inner and outer boots, there are clear rub marks showing where the outer boot was interfering with the inner in the first gear position. Even though the outer boot seems soft and pliable, It is quite difficult to push it towards first gear with your finger in the area that attaches to the bezel. Bottom line, I think the guys here have correctly diagnosed the problem in most cases.
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Indeed this boot issue has been discussed earlier in this thread.. The shifter sled bracket is mounted over studs and the bezel is mounted onto the sled.. I am convinced that the design stack up of tolerances and the known "deviation from spec" conditions (typical with Chrysler products) is the main root cause (besides technical issues with the internal transmission guts) for several JOG (Jumping Out of Gear) conditions.

A pinch point at the inner boot might prevent a full forward shift lever movement specially into first gear.. The lack of full forward movement will NOT allow the shifter coupler ring to move fully forward hence a partial engagement is achieved,, Once load is applied the coupler ring will jump out as the negative back-tapers couldn't do their job of keeping the coupler ring engaged into the first gear....

Here is a pic of a Jeeper who had a similar issues and after removing the boots, the JOG issue was resolved..
Notice also the interference conditions as shown with the red oval..

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Indeed this boot issue has been discussed earlier in this thread.. The shifter sled bracket is mounted over studs and the bezel is mounted onto the sled.. I am convinced that the design stack up of tolerances and the known "deviation from spec" conditions (typical with Chrysler products) is the main root cause (besides technical issues with the internal transmission guts) for several JOG (Jumping Out of Gear) conditions.

A pinch point at the inner boot might prevent a full forward shift lever movement specially into first gear.. The lack of full forward movement will NOT allow the shifter coupler ring to move fully forward hence a partial engagement is achieved,, Once load is applied the coupler ring will jump out as the negative back-tapers couldn't do their job of keeping the coupler ring engaged into the first gear....

Here is a pic of a Jeeper who had a similar issues and after removing the boots, the JOG issue was resolved..
Notice also the interference conditions as shown with the red oval..

Early on in the process of trying to solve this problem it was discussed that the inner boot may be a problem. The service manager was reluctant to remove the boot because of the time of year saying that snow, ice melt and the such could get into the area and cause rust and other problems. What do you think about that. The inner boot I believe has been replaced once with no luck. Do you think removing it would cause problems down the road???
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Early on in the process of trying to solve this problem it was discussed that the inner boot may be a problem. The service manager was reluctant to remove the boot because of the time of year saying that snow, ice melt and the such could get into the area and cause rust and other problems. What do you think about that. The inner boot I believe has been replaced once with no luck. Do you think removing it would cause problems down the road???
No, I don't suggest to keep on riding without these boots at all.. Just use the process of removing them to PROVE the point that this is causing a JOG condition.. Then it is up to them to fix it.. Most probably by having them to re-align the shifter sled bracket and the way the bezel is assembled..
Good Luck..
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Smile Maybe there's hope for JOG remedy!!!

Thought this might be of interest to all of you who have been having the continuous problem of your Jeep Wranglers popping out of gear. I think I had mentioned in previous blogs that I've been having the same problem with my Jeep for about 3 months now. I'm on my second transmission as of the writing of this and have had the inner boot replaced once. After endless calls to Chrysler and dealing with my local dealer, I finally requested that I speak to the regional manager for the Eastern part of Washington state. We did have a conversation early last week and he said he was discussing the problem with his engineers at Chrysler. He called me last Friday to tell me that they do believe it is a synchronization problem between 1st and 2nd gear. There is a technical service bulletin that is suppose to come out to all dealers in the next couple of weeks with steps as to how this problem can be solved. Chrysler believes that new parts need to be made to resolve the JOG in the manual transmission for 1st gear. I was told that as soon as the parts have been produced that I would get a phone call from my dealer. Production of the parts is not suppose to take more than a couple weeks as per my conversation with the regional manager. I'm hoping that this is the solution to a very frustrating and irritating problem for all of us. Keep your fingers crossed! I'm remaining REALLY OPTIMISTIC that this will cure the problem for good. Hope this gives all of you a little hope!
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Actually, I think I am going to go ahead and order a '10 with a manual and keep my fingers crossed I get a good manual transmission! The three year warranty (and I won't exceed the mileage part of a warranty) will be my safety net. I hear you on the catching fire issue vs. JOG! Thanks for your insight and wish me luck!!!
I hope your fingers are crossed tight. Chrysler thinks they may have figured out the problem with the JOG between first and second gear, but it hasn't been proven yet. I got my new parts for repairing the sync between first and second, but I'm now waiting on Chrysler to release a TSB with a schematic on how to put it all together. Are you aware that there have been 2010's with the JOG problem? Trust me, it's not worth the frustration. I'm a Jeep lover too but this has been REALLY frustrating. 2 transmissions and a boot replacement on a $30,000 vehicle that is less than two years old. If you're up for taking those chances good luck to you. I hope all is well with the manual transmission?

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