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Old 02-23-2010, 10:13 AM   #121
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Update on my 2010 Sahara (bought Jan 4, 2010)

3rd wk. it popped out 3 more times
5th wk. 4th gear grinding too much.
went back to the dealer and had a rental car for a few days.

dealer's solution: "replaced transmission assembly"

One week past, no problem and then it happened again 2x. I assumed it was from the cold weather that wk.

Almost a week later no JOG until yesterday @1245km and the weather is warmer than the previous week.

If it is my driving skills, how come I don't do it often enough when changing at 1st? I'm pretty sure I heard/felt the 2 clicks the dealer told me when changing gears.

I don't know w/c gonna happen first w/ the transmission---break it in or BREAK it

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Old 02-23-2010, 05:44 PM   #122
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Here's what I can tell you...not saying this applies to everyone, but it's my case, anyway. My '10 Unlimited Sport (bought in November) popped out of both fourth and second a few times in the first couple of months...nothing violent or noisy, in fact, I didn't even notice until I stepped on the accelerator and heard the revving. However, now it hasn't done it in at least a month and seems to have cleared itself up. So, on my Wrangler at least, I'm thinking it's a "break in" issue. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 02-23-2010, 06:19 PM   #123
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Here's what I can tell you...not saying this applies to everyone, but it's my case, anyway. My '10 Unlimited Sport (bought in November) popped out of both fourth and second a few times in the first couple of months...nothing violent or noisy, in fact, I didn't even notice until I stepped on the accelerator and heard the revving. However, now it hasn't done it in at least a month and seems to have cleared itself up. So, on my Wrangler at least, I'm thinking it's a "break in" issue. Just my 2 cents.
The bad part is that JOG is a complex issue and without any "parts" in front of me it still remains an educated guess..

With some miles the inner-boot stiffness might settle a bit. Some times, burrs and sharp edges may prohibit you of doing a full coupler engagement, hence not generating a positive lock from the back tapers resulting in a JOG. After some cycles these sharp edges will smooth out..

Bottom line.. shame on you Chrysler for "putsing" around with this issue.. Of course their supplier (I believe this is a Daimler source) is not helping them at all..because they might not carry the warranty cost for the field failures..It was an old practice that these costs were absorbed by the vehicle OEM and NOT the sub supplier..I know how these things work..

Another big issue is getting field failed units back to the Transmission OEM source and "INSIST" a solution is found within a short time..The only recourse we have is "demanding" for a replacement transmission and filing NHTSA reports..

I am sure that with the current state of affairs with Toyota, NHTSA is learning some hard lessons as well..Problems are only defined with "hard" evidence and facts done by qualified engineers.....and not by lawyers....
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:32 PM   #124
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FYI, I've spoken with the attorneys office that represents Chrysler, they are sticking to their guns on this one.
"Chrysler states, there is nothing wrong with the transmissions in their vehicles, your transmission was replaced under a "Customer Satisfaction Warranty".
I'm still fighting with them, and am not giving up. This is BULLSHIT! I've also informed the attorney of all the claims I've read on this Jeep forum and others. They do not seem to care.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:23 PM   #125
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FYI, I've spoken with the attorneys office that represents Chrysler, they are sticking to their guns on this one.
"Chrysler states, there is nothing wrong with the transmissions in their vehicles, your transmission was replaced under a "Customer Satisfaction Warranty".
I'm still fighting with them, and am not giving up. This is BULLSHIT! I've also informed the attorney of all the claims I've read on this Jeep forum and others. They do not seem to care.
Jeepgirl41, I certanily feel your pain. My only sanity was that this didn't start happening to me until about 35,000 miles, but has continued to be a problem since. If you have read the previous blogs I'm sure you're aware of what has been attempted already on my Jeep with no satisfactory results. Like I mentioned before there is a TSB that is suppose to be coming out this week??? I got a call from my dealer saying the parts were in but they needed the TSB with the schematic on how to fix the sync problem between first and second. Here is the part number if that helps at all, 68080512AA. I'm hoping that this is the final solution to the JOG problem. Let me know if you have any luck!!!
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I took out the Transmission Service manual and tried to assimilate the assembly sequence of the key parts involved with the 1/2 shift and synchro's.. The second gear rides on needle bearings and is shouldered against a mainshaft shoulder.. the 1/2 synchronizer assembly sits next to the second gear and is splined onto the mainshaft and secured in place with a snap ring. This creates a controlled gap between both the synchro and the second gear..This gap is important as it defines the amount of travel the synchro sleeve (in which the 1/2 fork rides) will do during engagement of the second gear dog teeth. The latter assures the good positive lock you need to have to avoid JOG..

The first gear rides against the 1/2 synchronizer as well .. The other side of this gear is NOT kept in place with a positive snap ring but they are using a "crimp on" spacer and sleeve to keep the first gear in place.. This spacer and sleeve are heated for expansion and after immediate assembly will cool off, creating a crimp fit such that they are SUPPOSED to keep the first gear in place hence assuring an other controlled gap. The latter will create the correct sleeve travel whilst engaging and locking into first gear..

Here is my concern (based on my past experience)

In the event the spacer and/or sleeve are NOT heated to the proper temp or are dimensionally to be questioned for sure NO or NOT ENOUGH press fit will be created after cooling.. Also even with correct temps and dimensions one still has to wait until the spacer and sleeve are cooled of prior further handling in the assembly..
A "screw up" during this process will create an unacceptable gap and might also become a reason for JOG out of first..

I know, pls don't flame me, this is a long post but I felt I had to share this as well..The above is an assembly issue which might be a contributor and I still have to question the "dimensional quality" of the key synchro parts as well... I will try to generate some pics to make this a bit more visual..

ps I tried to trace back the part number 68080512AA as mentioned by scott2008 but cannot find it.. it doesn't seems to be a transmission part number..but we will stay tuned for the "promised" TSB..
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I took out the Transmission Service manual and tried to assimilate the assembly sequence of the key parts involved with the 1/2 shift and synchro's.. The second gear rides on needle bearings and is shouldered against a mainshaft shoulder.. the 1/2 synchronizer assembly sits next to the second gear and is splined onto the mainshaft and secured in place with a snap ring. This creates a controlled gap between both the synchro and the second gear..This gap is important as it defines the amount of travel the synchro sleeve (in which the 1/2 fork rides) will do during engagement of the second gear dog teeth. The latter assures the good positive lock you need to have to avoid JOG..

The first gear rides against the 1/2 synchronizer as well .. The other side of this gear is NOT kept in place with a positive snap ring but they are using a "crimp on" spacer and sleeve to keep the first gear in place.. This spacer and sleeve are heated for expansion and after immediate assembly will cool off, creating a crimp fit such that they are SUPPOSED to keep the first gear in place hence assuring an other controlled gap. The latter will create the correct sleeve travel whilst engaging and locking into first gear..

Here is my concern (based on my past experience)

In the event the spacer and/or sleeve are NOT heated to the proper temp or are dimensionally to be questioned for sure NO or NOT ENOUGH press fit will be created after cooling.. Also even with correct temps and dimensions one still has to wait until the spacer and sleeve are cooled of prior further handling in the assembly..
A "screw up" during this process will create an unacceptable gap and might also become a reason for JOG out of first..

I know, pls don't flame me, this is a long post but I felt I had to share this as well..The above is an assembly issue which might be a contributor and I still have to question the "dimensional quality" of the key synchro parts as well... I will try to generate some pics to make this a bit more visual..

ps I tried to trace back the part number 68080512AA as mentioned by scott2008 but cannot find it.. it doesn't seems to be a transmission part number..but we will stay tuned for the "promised" TSB..
USAntigoon, thanks for the feedback. The more I read the things that you are investigating and simulating the more I think that maybe Chrysler should get ahold of you. I don't understand all that you are saying but enough to know that maybe there is a problem in the manufacturing process since we're seeing that even the newer models of the Jeep Wrangler are having this same issue. I was concerned that maybe the part number was yet another attempt to make me "feel better" and that it did not exist. I called a parts supplier for Diamler/Chrysler today to see if it existed and what exactly the part number is attached to. It is a gearing kit for the Wrangler, so that made me feel a little bit better. Although if there is a problem in the manufacturing of the part maybe I don't feel that much better??? I'm just waiting for the dealer to call me so that we can get this process underway. I guess in a sense I'll be the guinea pig to see if this works? I haven't heard anything yet as of the writing of this so I guess the TSB is still not out. I'll keep you posted.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:02 AM   #128
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A " gearing kit"....Well I will stop by my dealer and try to have a first hand look at this kit..After my retirement from one of the "better" three.. I did a lot of consulting with a big company South of the border that is producing manual transmissions for the Corvette, Mustang, Firebird, etc...I do have some first hand knowledge.. But alas, I do like to see the failed transmissions to begin with..Short of that, I can only give some technical background music..One important thing to understand as well is that the "population" of manual transmissions is rather small hence our US dealers don't have that much knowledge and experienced technicians to begin with..But that is another story..
I have checked around and cannot find a TSB yet..But with all the promises Chrysler/Fiat is making lately about getting serious with "customer quality" we might see a solution on this issue soon..
Good luck and keep the forum informed about your progress..TNX
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Gearing Kit

USAntigoon-let me know if you find out anything interesting concerning the gearing kit. Like I have quoted before I hope this is the solution to the problem, but if the manufacturing is poor these parts may not be up to quality? Let me know also, if you would, where the best place to look is for the most recent TSB's. I figure you would have a better idea than I. I'll keep you all posted on my progress. Scott2008.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:12 PM   #130
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Maybe this will work?

Wrangler fans, I got off the phone about an hour ago with
The regional manager for the Eastern part of Washington state.
Here is the latest; the TSB that is coming out is only to let dealers
Know that there is a problem with the synchronization between
1st and 2nd gear and what they believe the solution is.
In this case using a new gearing kit to change out those 2 gears.
According to the regional manager there are no special instructions
As I was first led to believe. My Jeep is scheduled to go in Tuesday.
The service manager wants to keep it a couple days after the repair
And drive it to make sure the repair worked. I told him be my guest.
I hope this works for all of our sakes! Ill let u know.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:05 PM   #131
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Wrangler fans, I got off the phone about an hour ago with
The regional manager for the Eastern part of Washington state.
Here is the latest; the TSB that is coming out is only to let dealers
Know that there is a problem with the synchronization between
1st and 2nd gear and what they believe the solution is.
In this case using a new gearing kit to change out those 2 gears.
According to the regional manager there are no special instructions
As I was first led to believe. My Jeep is scheduled to go in Tuesday.
The service manager wants to keep it a couple days after the repair
And drive it to make sure the repair worked. I told him be my guest.
I hope this works for all of our sakes! Ill let u know.
Ask them to show you the "replaced/defective" parts.. They might give them to you to take home, (let's hope) if not, have a good look at the first and second gear dog teeth and the coupler ring..Look for heavy shiny marks and/or damages.

Here is a typical gear with the dog teeth.. the coupler ring (after gear engagement) is moved over the dogteeth. In the event there is NO or little backtaper, the sleeve will NOT lock whilst torque is transferred and a JOG will occur. Backtaper is required on the dog teeth and the inner spline of the coupler ring.



Good dog teeth (you clearly see the back taper)



Bad dog teeth (no back taper at all)



Coupler ring inner spline back taper (bottom are worn out)



p.s above pics are NOT from our NSG370 .. but do represent the generic issue..
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Just to Clarify?

USAntigoon, Just to make sure I understand. I'm not very mechanically savy?! It looks like the good dog teeth are perfectly built little houses. The bad one's look like there edges have been sanded down. Is that correct? I will certainly ask the dealership for the old parts. I don't see why there would be any reason they wouldn't give them to me, do you? If not maybe they would at least let me see them. You give me some hope that this may be the problem? It certainly would make sense. The quality of there gearing mechanisms must have gone down in quality as my first Jeep Wrangler, a 2001which I drove for 110,000 miles never had an issue like this. Thanks for the visuals. I'll keep in touch with you all. Scott2008.
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Indeed in the first pic you see the shape of a "house front" and the sides run tapered.. That taper is an indication for the back taper.. These teeth are formed via a precision forging method and are generally not machined afterwards.. I know this is a very "tricky" process. This is NOT done by the transmission OEM but by their sub supplier..

The typical green "test run" of a transmission after assembly will NOT, I repeat NOT detect JOG as these test bank machines CANNOT generate enough torque to create a JOG condition.. Translated this means that initial JOG related defects will just walk out of the OEM door..(this explains why we see so many complaints here on the forum)

In the Jeep assembly plant the EOL (End of Line) test "might" detect a JOG under the right conditions.. However these test are very short and they will go through the shift cycle only 1 time..

The above proves one more time that Manufacturing Quality repeatability is a result of IN-Process controls and NOT inspection after the facts..
Can you imaging in a "ammunition" Plant, Quality is the result of EOL (end of line) testing..


Anyway, try to get the parts.. and we can have some fun here...
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Old 03-02-2010, 03:47 PM   #134
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TSB out today, 3/3/2010!

Wrangler Fans-the TSB came out today to all of the Chrysler dealerships. It basically states that they have recognized the JOG of all Wranglers, years 2007 to 2010 as a growing problem. The TSB also extends to 2007 to 2010 Jeep Liberties and Dodge Nitros. The repair for all three appears to be the same according to the TSB, change the synchronization, (gearing) in 1st and 2nd gear. The steps are listed in the dealer TSB, but I do not know if they are posted on the internet TSB. It does involve removing the transmission and taking it apart to get to the gears obviously. There is a note in there that the tech needs to make sure that the gearing teeth are facing the right direction, I don't understand that but USAntigoon I'm sure does.

The first course of action still appears to be changing up the inner shift boot to start and then if that doesn't work, moving on to the gearing repair. If I was any of you reading this I would op for the gearing repair first and foremost. That's me though after a boot replacement and 2 transmissions later.

Lets all hope that this is the winning lottery ticket to the problem? I'm really hoping that it is. I'd be thrilled.

Chrysler can't give me the parts that are being replaced but they did say that I could have a look at them. I will snap a few pictures of them when I get a peak at them. If they show the wearing down like the above pictures that would be a pretty good indicaition that that is the problem.

I won't have it back for a few days, as the dealer wants to drive it for a couple days after the repair. I whole-heartedly agreed. I'll keep you posted.

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JOG in 1st, one random trip with JOG in 1, 3 AND 5...

I took it in yesterday morning ... after they had it for 6 hours and could not replicate the condition ( and looking at me like I was kind of nuts), I picked it up. Then I Google the problem, and both this thread AND another thread at justanswer.com come up. Called the service manager and told him we needed to try harder, and took it back in today with a copy of both resources... We'll see!!




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......................... There is a note in there that the tech needs to make sure that the gearing teeth are facing the right direction, I don't understand that but USAntigoon I'm sure does.............................................. .......Chrysler can't give me the parts that are being replaced but they did say that I could have a look at them. I will snap a few pictures of them when I get a peak at them. If they show the wearing down like the above pictures that would be a pretty good indicaition that that is the problem.

I won't have it back for a few days, as the dealer wants to drive it for a couple days after the repair. I whole-heartedly agreed. I'll keep you posted.

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The 1/2 gears of the mainshaft (upper shaft) have a LH helix, the gear next to the first gear on the mainshaft is the reverse gear.. This has a RH helix as it meshes with the reverse idler gear which meshes with the countershaft or cluster gear (RH helix)
I haven't seen the TSB to read the details, but I assume the cautionary note about directions of teeth is related to a "possible" mix up between the 2nd and rev gear (I don't know the teeth count but it seems that the second and rev are quite similar).. A mechanic who doesn't know manual transmissions might easily do this screw up ..(However, they might not be able to put the tranny back together or it might not shift at all..)

As to the last part of your posting.. Please take some good pics of the 1st gear dogteeth sides and spline sides of synchronizer coupler ring/sleeve.. The first gear is the biggest of both..I assume they will only replace the first gear and the synchronizer..

p.s I have a call in with my Dealer and they haven't called back yet.. Will swing by later this week..and talk to the chief..
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I took it in yesterday morning ... after they had it for 6 hours and could not replicate the condition ( and looking at me like I was kind of nuts), I picked it up. Then I Google the problem, and both this thread AND another thread at justanswer.com come up. Called the service manager and told him we needed to try harder, and took it back in today with a copy of both resources... We'll see!!
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Drive it in first and whilst accelerating apply a slight shifter lever pull force. It should kick out very easily.. If you have a positive lock it will be much more difficult to do so.. But be sure you accelerate (this is applying torque over the dogteeth coupling..)
Also make some copies of all our posts here in this thread and let them "eat" it..
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Great news !! gonna stop back into the shop tomorrow and see what they say,because its getting worse.
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I didn't read the whole thread. But I just searched and found it because mine is popping out of reverse. Only 350 miles and it has done it like 5 times. I made an appointment with the dealer service department on Friday. looks like my weekend of enjoying my jeep may be shot.
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I didn't read the whole thread. But I just searched and found it because mine is popping out of reverse. Only 350 miles and it has done it like 5 times. I made an appointment with the dealer service department on Friday. looks like my weekend of enjoying my jeep may be shot.
Its disheartening to read that the Jeeps are having problems with other gears too, especially ones that are new and have no accountable miles on them. 350miles, that is absolutely rediculous. There definately is a problem with their quality control that needs to be addressed immediately.

I believe our only saving grace is to keep communicating with each other and letting the dealers know through these blogs that we are aware of an ongoing problem and that things need to continue to be looked into. Keep on Chrysler and your Jeep dealers. They've got to solve this problem eventually and the sooner they do the less heartache for them and for us. I seem to have had the best luck with going one step above my dealer and dealing with the district manager for Chrysler in my (your) demographic area. He was very helpful and got the ball rolling a little faster. You should be able to get the persons name to contact through your local dealer. That's what I did.

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I took it in yesterday morning ... after they had it for 6 hours and could not replicate the condition ( and looking at me like I was kind of nuts), I picked it up. Then I Google the problem, and both this thread AND another thread at justanswer.com come up. Called the service manager and told him we needed to try harder, and took it back in today with a copy of both resources... We'll see!!




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Good for you, keep on them. With these threads and continued pressure they've got to get to a permanent solution to this. Let us know what happens with it and what they say.

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Replaced lower shifter boot

Am going to pick it up now... We'll see if this does it. I have a feeling that it will take care of the 3-5 Jog, but I'm worried that violent 1st gear JOG will still occur. The dealer couldn't find a TSB on this issue as of this morning...
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Am going to pick it up now... We'll see if this does it. I have a feeling that it will take care of the 3-5 Jog, but I'm worried that violent 1st gear JOG will still occur. The dealer couldn't find a TSB on this issue as of this morning...
The TSB should be to the dealer no later than the end of this week although I had it in my hand yesterday and read the entire thing. If you can't get a definite answer from your dealer, I would call your district manager for your demographic area and see what he/she knows. It may not be on the internet yet but it's out there like I said.

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This seems to be the content of the TSB 21-001-10

SUBJECT:
Manual Transmission Pops Out of Gear

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves verifying that the transmission shift boot is not interfering with the
engagement of first gear and if not than, replace the 1-2 synchronizer assembly.

MODELS:
2007 - 2010 KA/KK Nitro/Liberty
2007 - 2010 JK Wrangler

NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a manual transmission (sales
code DEH).

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The transmission pops out of first gear while accelerating. The condition, may occur
intermittently and may be difficult to diagnose.

DIAGNOSIS:
Verify that the shift boot is not causing the issue by ensuring the boot is not binding when in first gear. In addition, if the customer complains that the transmission pops out of gear in first, third, and fifth, than the shift boot would be most likely the cause for the complaint. Refer to the appropriate service information regarding shift boot replacement. If the shift boot is not causing the transmission to pop out of first gear, perform the following Repair Procedure.

The repair procedure involves the tech replacing the 1-2 synchronizer assembly, the part is in limited supply and dealers are only allowed to order 1 of these per day.
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This seems to be the content of the TSB 21-001-10

SUBJECT:
Manual Transmission Pops Out of Gear

OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves verifying that the transmission shift boot is not interfering with the
engagement of first gear and if not than, replace the 1-2 synchronizer assembly.

MODELS:
2007 - 2010 KA/KK Nitro/Liberty
2007 - 2010 JK Wrangler

NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a manual transmission (sales
code DEH).

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The transmission pops out of first gear while accelerating. The condition, may occur
intermittently and may be difficult to diagnose.

DIAGNOSIS:
Verify that the shift boot is not causing the issue by ensuring the boot is not binding when in first gear. In addition, if the customer complains that the transmission pops out of gear in first, third, and fifth, than the shift boot would be most likely the cause for the complaint. Refer to the appropriate service information regarding shift boot replacement. If the shift boot is not causing the transmission to pop out of first gear, perform the following Repair Procedure.

The repair procedure involves the tech replacing the 1-2 synchronizer assembly, the part is in limited supply and dealers are only allowed to order 1 of these per day.
That could be BAD!
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I have a copy of the 21-001-10 TSB and in addition to my previous posting I like to add the following:

The replacement part is P/N 68080512AA which is the 1/2 synchronizer assembly. Apparently they are NOT replacing the 1st gear.. This means that they have developed a special 1/2 synchro repair kit.. This 6808xxxx part number is different than the parts catalog 1/2 synchro assembly 05137639AA.
I suspect they have manufactured a special shift ring/sleeve with offset inner splines to "assure" a positive lock whilst the first gear is engaged..(This is just a band-aid to compensate for a bad first gear dogteeth configuration and possible some other root causes we don't know about)

The fact that this TSB also contains the note "When installing the synchronizer sleeve, make sure that the side of the sleeve with the groove faces toward the second gear.." implies what I stated earlier about the "offset" inner spline suspicion..

My dealer doesn't has any service fix synchronizers in stock.. But they will contact me as as soon as they have some or (1) (My Jeep has no issues but they know my interest in this matter very well)

As a final comment.. If the fix is indeed an offset spline, one might expect a hard shift out of first.. These kind of couplers tend to hang a bit before releasing..

Just some more info..
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So in reality this could just be a "temporary" fix to an ongoing problem. I don't understand Chryslers thinking here. If they know that there are problems with first gear and they're opting to fix it with a "bandaide", then we'll be playing this hand all over again down the road? Financially this doesn't seem fiscally smart for Chrysler to just bandaide the problem and have to deal with it again down the road??? Everytime my Jeep has gone in I've had a rental, going on three days with this one. Two trannies which can't be cheap for them, plus many unhappy customers.

Are you also saying that it may be difficult to shift out of first gear. Will this be permanant or is it just until things settle in? If the dog teeth truly are a problem then I presume they will just continue to get worst and begin to further weardown. How is this solving the problem? How long will this bandaide piece hold up? Is that anybody's guess?

I'll let you know how things turn out on my end. I haven't heard anything from my dealer yet. They've had it for a couple days and I presume the earliest I will see it again will be Friday? Wish me luck!

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Old 03-04-2010, 03:04 PM   #148
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I am just sharing my "pre-retirement" experiences in these matters..I don't have any FIRST HAND information with this transmission nor do I have any connections with Chrysler/Fiat..I haven't seen any failures either.. So from here forward we need to have to voice of the "affected" customers to verify the effectiveness of this field fix.....

p.s Indeed, let's hope this is not a "Toyota Styled" fix..

scott2008 Of course I wish you good luck.. be sure you can see the affected part.. take some pics as well..
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US Antigoon, I hope you didn't take my message as if I were irritated at you. After reading your blog I was just frustrated at the idea that this may be only a temporary fix, and like you said a "Toyota Styled" fix. You have given the most imformative advice even before Chrysler had a "good idea" of what may be wrong. Like I had said before maybe Chrysler should have come to you. I will get a look at the affected part and will get some pics. Hopefully I will hear something from my local dealer tomorrow.
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Went by the local Jeep dealer Thursday and aked about it they told me they had heard noting about this,till I took the TSB # in then it was "Well we need to look into this bring it on in ".So Monday I'm gonna drop it by and see if we cant get it fixed.

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