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Old 01-10-2013, 04:05 PM   #1
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A wax question

I dont usually keep vehicles very long, so I typically don't worry about waxing and taking care of the paint too much. With that said, I plan to keep my 13 Sahara for a long time.

In the past, I have used waxes, but they have been the paste kind with the applicator pad. I always hated how wax got on the plastic and left a permanent white color. With my black jeep with black plastic, I definitely dont want that. Is there a product that you use that never discolors plastic if it got on it? Or is there a product you can spray on and rinse off w/o even rubbing it on/off?

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Well over time you can get good at just not putting the applicator pad on the plastics but turtle wax ice is a synthetic wax that won't discolor plastics. I use it only on my plastics and roof. That might be good for you

It's all subjective as to how good it is. Personally I don't think it's as good as a good carnuba wax(I think it's harder to make look as good) but I do think it works well for the fenders and paint when I do use it on that

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Its probably not the "best" but it smells good and works.
Turtle Wax Ice Synthetic Paste Polish - T-465
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After I wax I use 303 Aerospace Protectant on the black plastic, makes it look like new.
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Griots Garage Carnauba.
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Griots Garage Carnauba.
I'm not familiar with this one, but I was under the impression that all carnubas would stain plastics and that synthetic ones didnt
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A quick wipe with Back to Black will remove any oopses on black trim easily.

The wax I mention above will just leave a faint white mark, no stain.
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Lemon pledge! Best thing ever. I'm not even kidding.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:40 PM   #9
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MgGiures deep crystal line are easy to use spray on and buff off. In my opinion and that of nearly every professional paint shop out there MgGuires is on the top 3 of all paint products and usually #1
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One additional note For a quick shine that works AWESOME try Lucas slick mist available at many auto parts stores. We used this before a car show to detail out our Corvettes we were showing. No streaks and easy to use plus smells great! No I'm not a sales person!
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The only thing I use on my Rubi anymore is Turtle Wax Ice liquid and Aerospace 303. There's so much black on it that the Ice makes it real easy. I can do the whole thing in 15 min.
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I usually use green masking tape around all the black plastic/rubber parts when I polish/wax, but then again I am used to keeping my Z06 kinda like a mirror....the Jeep - not so much.

Meguiar's is the best and easiest to use. Try their NXT 2.0 product if you want lasting.

Aerospace 303 on vinyl/black plastic is GREAT! better than back to black IMHO.
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I have several show cars and everyday cars. I usually get get money back when I sell cause I take care of my stuff. I use german wax Menzerna brand and then 303 protect all on the black plastic stuff.
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I like how the TW ice product looked as well as ease of application, but I don't like how it streaks after rain or heavy dew hits it..

I hear good things about Collinite #845, Menzerna and Opti-coat too..
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Dirt.
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Check out adams polishes
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Zaino Brothers. Buy it on line. Nothing better for black, or other colors for that matter. Incredible product. Lasts. Is easy after first application. It's on my black Porsche, my black JKUS 'Freedom', my black Impreza Sport Limited, and they all look great. The maintaining of Zaino is so easily done. Go to their website and read up. I got turned on to it by the Corvette Forum years ago.
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That's a big bingo on the Zaino Brothers. Lots of different products at zainobros.com and haven't found a bad one in the bunch. I use it on my 2005 Black Mustang and blue 2011 Acura MDX. Just got my 2013 JKS Cherry 2Dr. last Saturday and doing the Wash/Clay Bar/ZAIO/Z6/Z2/Z8 treatment this next weekend. There is nothing better than this stuff for the inside and outside of any vehicle. The only problem is the mud will slide off like Benghazi on Obama.
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I'm in my late 50's and have tried nearly everything under the Sun when it comes to detailing products. 24 years in the Military beat me down a little and I am not what I used to be. So I go for what is effective and works and goes on quick.

I am a firm believer in the following products:

Any Type of Clay Bar! Greatest thing I have ever used to get the crap off of a surface. Especially useful for getting the embedded dirt off the rear areas of vehicles after a LONG Salty Winter. Started using this when I saw rust marks on a white PLASTIC Bumper on one of the cars.

Porter Cable Random Orbital polisher. Do you want a truly smooth surface? Best way to get there is using one of these with the right pads and the products of your choice. I use Meguires Products on my vehicles.

Turtle Wax Liquid Ice Wax. Remarkable stuff! Goes on very quickly, comes off easy and shines and protects very well.

California Dusters. I use these when I have a vehicle in semi-storage conditions. It gets the dust off quickly and as long as you are careful and not let it get dirty by dropping it or improper storage, these will last a long time.

Detailing Spray. Anyone's work. I keep a small spray bottle around with a few microfiber cloths to get bird droppings and the like off the surface ASAP. Seems like where I park must be the Bombing Range for the local Birds.

Final suggestion. Find out what YOU like to use and then stick with it. Most of these products will give you protection and the shine you want. There are lots of sites out there that will give you tips on cleaning and waxing and general car care. One of the best is "Junkman". Do a search for his detailing videos. You'll be amazed at what you can do to a vehicle with the right technique and products.
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Indeed, the Clay Bar is essential for removing all foreign matter. Waxing before a clay bar is just slicking down the grime.
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I think the clay bar thing is unnecessary and a bit extreme. I ruined the finish on a rear spoiler on one of my old cars years ago and I'll never use one on any of my vehicles ever again.

When I was checking at several professional detailing shops to see what they'd charge to detail my pride and joy I asked them about clay bars. Every one of them said they only use a clay bar on paint overspray.
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I usually use green masking tape around all the black plastic/rubber parts when I polish/wax, but then again I am used to keeping my Z06 kinda like a mirror....the Jeep - not so much.
+1

I kept my Arctic White Corvette like smooth and shiny glass. I washed it maybe every 2 weeks. I became obsessive. It was also very easy to wash and wax

But I'm finding with the Jeep that washing it is a big PITA! I keep my doors off a lot, and the windows out even more. To wash it I have to either be very careful with the hose or button it all back up to wash. I waxed it once so far, and that'll probably be the last time. With all the uneven surfaces and non-painted surfaces the wax has the potential to get on everything.

On the topic of clay bars, I've always had great success using them. The before and after is miraculous IMO. I did it twice a year on my Corvette and I do on my Focus also.
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I think the clay bar thing is unnecessary and a bit extreme. I ruined the finish on a rear spoiler on one of my old cars years ago and I'll never use one on any of my vehicles ever again.
How old was the car? I'm thinking the clear coat on the spoiler was even non-existent or not thick enough to play nice with a clay bar. A good quality clear coat should be fine with a clay bar. I've seen plenty of spoilers and non-metal parts that have sub-standard clear jobs. They always seem to be the first to go when clear starts flaking or oxidation starts.
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How old was the car?
I believe good clear coats started being used in normal vehicles in the early to mid 90's?
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griots garage also has a product for removing "wax debris"....google their site & see if the description is what you're looking for
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Meguiars Tech Wax for me.
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How old was the car? I'm thinking the clear coat on the spoiler was even non-existent or not thick enough to play nice with a clay bar.
It was a '98 Mercury Mystique. Some other owners on the same forum said they use clay bars a lot on the same year and make of car without any problem. One said that he even tried to duplicate what I ended up with in the pic below and couldn't.

Maybe I was just doing it all wrong but I thought I followed the directions on the box. All I know is I'll never use one again.

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I'm not familiar with this one, but I was under the impression that all carnubas would stain plastics and that synthetic ones didnt
Maybe the old stuff did, but these days it will only stain if it has cleaners or fillers in it (to help hide scratches) and is not just a "pure" (it's impossible to have 100% carnuba it would be a rock) carnuba wax. This goes actually for any carnuba or synthetic, paste or liquid.
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303 Aerospace to protect bc it has SPF for the Florida sun here.
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+1

I kept my Arctic White Corvette like smooth and shiny glass. I washed it maybe every 2 weeks. I became obsessive. It was also very easy to wash and wax

But I'm finding with the Jeep that washing it is a big PITA! I keep my doors off a lot, and the windows out even more. To wash it I have to either be very careful with the hose or button it all back up to wash. I waxed it once so far, and that'll probably be the last time. With all the uneven surfaces and non-painted surfaces the wax has the potential to get on everything.

On the topic of clay bars, I've always had great success using them. The before and after is miraculous IMO. I did it twice a year on my Corvette and I do on my Focus also.
You can get rinseless washes. As long as you don't have caked on junk, you're good to go (i.e. won't scratch the finish if you use them right). It's a special non-detergent cleaner that you mix up and use in a bucket like normal car wash, except you don't rinse before/after. You just carefully use your mitt to wash a section at a time, dry it, and move to the next section.

I used it all last summer when I had my top off for 3 months. It's also great in the winter because you can fill up the bucket in the house with warm water and you could wash the vehicle in your garage and blow/sweep out the little bit of water that gets on the floor.

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