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Old 03-27-2012, 05:26 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by ksdindy View Post
I disagree. Having had 5 Toyotas in my life with absolutely 0, zilch, nada, zip problems, it's a valid concern for someone thinking about switching.

For me, a Jeep was something I've always wanted, so I jumped in and did it. Got the extended Bumper to Bumper just in case. Personally, I'm expecting some minor issues, but I think it will be worth it in the long run.

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Never, not a single repair in what probably anounts to hundreds of thousands of miles? Not once? That would be extraordinary, even for a Toyota. Yet, go to any Toyata dealership and you'll see repair bays with cars in them. Those techs must do nothing but scheduled service.

Anyway, a breakdown to the point of being unable to drive is very rare with JK's. Yes, it happens, and people will post about it here (You won't hear the 99.5% that don't have such problems).

Get the MaxCare warranty, lifetime if you're going to go over 100k or 7 years, and know that you'll be covered. I've had 5 Jeeps and never had a problem getting the dealers to honor the warranty. I hate to say it, but the extended warranty's do pay for themselves over the long run with a Jeep. Then again, I'm VERY picky, so for things like a seeping rear main seal (not a single drop on the ground, just oily), I demand a replacement. If I were paying out of my pocket for the repair, I'd live with it. Oh, and make sure you know how much you can buy that warranty for online(there are dealers who sell the genuine extended warranty online), because you can get really get screwed at the dealership.
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Wow! I opened a can of worms. I had problems with some of my toyotas. But they are well built. I'm going to get a jeep now just to prove to you guys that I wont bitch and complain if something happens! Keep the response's comming...this is fun!

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Old 03-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #33
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I've owned 4 toyotas (2 currently), this is my first Jeep. I wouldn't make a comparison between them, as my 13K mile 2012 Jeep has seen more hard core use than any of the Toyotas I owned, including my Tundra which I still own and was my primary overland vehicle for 2 years. I put in at least 4000 miles off pavement on the Jeep, hauling a trailer each time, on several trips already. So, if I have to perform major maintenance at 30K miles when it's been working this hard since it hit the 500 mile mark, I will absolutely not equate that to the fact that it is a Jeep. And I think people expect to treat a vehicle like a Jeep and use it like a Jeep, but expect street sedan maintenance schedules. Lets be realistic here, Jeeps are Jeeps, and run on 35" tires and 4.5" of lift (like mine), and crawl over rocks, drive on sand, plow snow, and all other goodies. I don't expect much more than 100K miles with this kind of treatment from any vehicle. But, if something does happen, I'm covered by the extended warranty.
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:51 PM   #34
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So, I have owned toyotas, but currently am enjoying my hassle free 2011 Wrangler. Each wrangler seems to be different from the next. I have talked to plenty of jeep owners (jk) that have had leaks, burn oil, or other problems that I do not have. Even the 12's are not without problems. Read the threads. IMO, if you want a jeep, get a jeep and enjoy it, regardless of the faults that it might/ might not have. There is nothing like it. Fact of the matter is, the next Toyota might be just as bad as any jeep could be. Can't go topless in a Toyota though.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:05 PM   #35
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The real issue with Jeeps is not that they're poor quality vehicles with a short lifespan. Quite the contrary, look at how many ultra-high mileage Jeep vehicles are on the road. Jeeps (well, the Wrangler and Cherokee series anyway), are generally "beefy" and long lasting.

Nor is the engineering a problem.

Individual components are also of good quality.

The issue is final assembly. That's where I think most issues come from.

Interestingly, what this means is that most problems happen earlier in the lifespan of the vehicle, rather than later. Again, in my experience, once you get through repairing those things that weren't done right on the assembly line, you can expect hundreds of thousands of miles of reliable use.

This is in contrast to a "piece of crap" that may start off ok, but gets progressively worse as time goes on.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:12 PM   #36
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I am approaching your age soon and just bought my first Jeep, a 2012 Sahara 2dr hardtop.

The Jeep may be considered by to be somewhat impractical, due to it's smaller interior and the ride can be a little on the rough side at times, but the fun factor, which is why most of us buy Jeeps, cannot be beat.

In my opinion, it is a great vehicle that I will look forward to driving for many years.

Go for it, while you are young enough to still have some fun in ii!
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very good analisis!
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:24 PM   #38
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my opinion dont buy it, all of the Toyo owners I have met live and die for the brand after getting the flack about buy american etc. they seem to have put the Asian brands on a pedastal the american ones will never attain. You will be back here complaining about the same things you would ignore in an FJ. Stick with what what you swear by. I have never owned a Toyo and dont intend to, I am sure they are fine just not for me.
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Whew! thanks! I'm glad you talked me out of it before it was too late!... NOT!
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Cool koyota?Jeep ?

HI, i have had many jeeps over the years and one kiissaon (i am sure u know i can spell) long story short i had many problems with the kissaon
talk about junk big time. Stay with your 't' TRUCK .
leave the fun to us and u can keep ur t truck, just kidding,
life is short, toss a coin and .. make ur decission! ps: i am sure to
get many +/- comments,/ good luck either way..

jeep 2012 owner NO PROBLEMS! You could order one just the way u want
model/color equpt. etc it will take 6 weeks to come in and if u change ur mind get your deposit back and cancel the order. sound good?? problem
solved! :-)
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:47 PM   #41

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I say go for it. Haven't met many people that bought a jeep to be a jeep that didn't fall in love with it. Now the people that bought a jeep to replace their Tahoe or what not.... that's a different story. I'm on jeep #5 and I can say that other than having one delivered with the wrong gears, I've been problem free.

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