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Old 11-26-2011, 03:20 AM   #1
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About to buy a Wrangler Unlimited 4 Door and I am concerned about "Death Wooble"

Ok let me first off by saying hello to all the Jeep fans on here and I must say I am an ex-Land Rover owner. Thats right, an Ex owner - No longer. Most unreliable POS ever. Sure you can pimp and go off road but damn dont ever count on getting from Point A to Point B. lol.

So anyway I am looking at getting a Wrangler Unlimited (4-Door) between the years off 07-09 and will probably go with the X or base model whatever. I dont care for the Sahara because of the fenders being painted like every pretty suv on the road these days. These Jeeps are meant to be scratched up and thats not going to work right on the Sahara and plus it looks ugly. lol, the black is better looking for the fenders. Anyway, I plan on probably point a 2.5 to 3 inch lift. Replacing the front bumper with a bumper/grille guard in one and a rear bumper swap as well. And yes, I do off roading. I dont do anything extreme but yes I do go off roading.

So, am I to be worried or concerned about "Death Wobble"? To be honest, this will be my first american made car, lol because I dont care for cheap looking american looking cars, besides the Wrangler, Commander and I guess the Ford Fusion and Ford Taurus for cars that is. Everything else looks cheap and plastic made. So please help out here, I dont wont to be let down and I want to buy this Wrangler and have good to say about Chrysler. lol. Dont get me wrong, I have friends who love Jeeps and its the coming thing you hear all the time, Crysler ruined Jeep and screwed up big time by getting rid of the I6 for the V6. Well help me stay positive here and give me faith on the american made vehicle. I believe americans and workers here need the money before some other country, its helping this economy and more buying here so thats a good way to look at it as well.

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Being afraid to buy a Wrangler because of "death wobble" is like saying that you're afraid to have children because they could be born with a disease or disability. "Death wobble" can happen in any solid front axle vehicle and the percentage of those that get it is pretty low. Routine checking of torque on your suspension components, keeping your wheels properly balanced and making sure your steering stabilizer is tip top will help ensure that you never get it. There could be some more things to keep in mind, maybe others will chime in.

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might help to not be so adamant about what you think is ugly or cheap American made... no telling whose toes you may be stepping on... particularly as a newb ford taurus... really?
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Death Wobbles are caused by worn or damaged front end components. It is no mystery, and as mentioned before, not a "Jeep Thing", it is common on any solid axle coil sprung with track bar front end.

If all parts are in good condition, putting in a lift and ensuring the caster is adequate will ensure long lasting wobble free performance.

Its not something you should be worried about.
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might help to not be so adamant about what you think is ugly or cheap American made... no telling whose toes you may be stepping on... particularly as a newb ford taurus... really?
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Being afraid to buy a Wrangler because of "death wobble" is like saying that you're afraid to have children because they could be born with a disease or disability. "Death wobble" can happen in any solid front axle vehicle and the percentage of those that get it is pretty low.
^^^What he said.

Having a 17 yr love of all coiler Land Rovers and having owned, modified, and wheeled every model from Defender to Range Rover (and owned an aftermarket rover parts company), I can give you plenty of stories of Rover death wobble.

Point being, death wobble has nothing to do with "Jeep" and is not a reason not to buy one.

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Ok let me first off by saying hello to all the Jeep fans on here and I must say I am an ex-Land Rover owner. Thats right, an Ex owner - No longer. Most unreliable POS ever. Sure you can pimp and go off road but damn dont ever count on getting from Point A to Point B. lol.

So anyway I am looking at getting a Wrangler Unlimited (4-Door) between the years off 07-09 and will probably go with the X or base model whatever. I dont care for the Sahara because of the fenders being painted like every pretty suv on the road these days. These Jeeps are meant to be scratched up and thats not going to work right on the Sahara and plus it looks ugly. lol, the black is better looking for the fenders. Anyway, I plan on probably point a 2.5 to 3 inch lift. Replacing the front bumper with a bumper/grille guard in one and a rear bumper swap as well. And yes, I do off roading. I dont do anything extreme but yes I do go off roading.

So, am I to be worried or concerned about "Death Wobble"? To be honest, this will be my first american made car, lol because I dont care for cheap looking american looking cars, besides the Wrangler, Commander and I guess the Ford Fusion and Ford Taurus for cars that is. Everything else looks cheap and plastic made. So please help out here, I dont wont to be let down and I want to buy this Wrangler and have good to say about Chrysler. lol. Dont get me wrong, I have friends who love Jeeps and its the coming thing you hear all the time, Crysler ruined Jeep and screwed up big time by getting rid of the I6 for the V6. Well help me stay positive here and give me faith on the american made vehicle. I believe americans and workers here need the money before some other country, its helping this economy and more buying here so thats a good way to look at it as well.

Thanks everyone
Hi Harvey,

Have two rigs, a Land Rover Discovery IV and a Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon. Can fully confirm that the Landy is the most unreliable sh.. car, too much electronic. But I also can certify that my Wrangler is the most reliable car I ever have driven.

I had some death wobble problems after I lifted the car by 3.5" (RE Superflex) and we had to carefully check all components. Nothing was defect but we have found out that the lift in combination with the original tyres caused this problem. As I switched the tire size to 35" (Cooper S/T) I have monitored never again any tendency for DW.

I work in the tyre business and it seems that the Goodyear OME tyre has not been built with pride in Ohio (in opposite to the Jeep ).

So be confident that you made right decision to buy the Jeep.

Cheers from Shanghai

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Hi Harvey,

Have two rigs, a Land Rover Discovery IV and a Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon. Can fully confirm that the Landy is the most unreliable sh.. car, too much electronic. But I also can certify that my Wrangler is the most reliable car I ever have driven.

I had some death wobble problems after I lifted the car by 3.5" (RE Superflex) and we had to carefully check all components. Nothing was defect but we have found out that the lift in combination with the original tyres caused this problem. As I switched the tire size to 35" (Cooper S/T) I have monitored never again any tendency for DW.

I work in the tyre business and it seems that the Goodyear OME tyre has not been built with pride in Ohio (in opposite to the Jeep ).

So be confident that you made right decision to buy the Jeep.

Cheers from Shanghai

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Old 11-26-2011, 02:00 PM   #10
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....there's been a LOT of the 'c' word on the forum lately.....

must be some kind of viral infection

Thinking 'Jeep' while speaking 'c*r' gives me the shivers.

I got a pick up. I got a Jeep. I don't got no 'c*rs'.

Old Blister, my Sweet Bride, has a Volvo. She doesn't consider it a 'c*r'
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....there's been a LOT of the 'c' word on the forum lately.....

must be some kind of viral infection

Thinking 'Jeep' while speaking 'c*r' gives me the shivers.

I got a pick up. I got a Jeep. I don't got no 'c*rs'.

Old Blister, my Sweet Bride, has a Volvo. She doesn't consider it a 'c*r'


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Old 11-26-2011, 04:06 PM   #12
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So will putting a 2.5 to 3 inch lift cause death wooble on the Wrangler? Like I said, I have owned a Land Rover Defender, Discovery 2, Range Rover and currently a 4th Gen 2004 4Runner. All of these vehicles listed were lifted and more and no issues with death wobble. *I do hear alot of people say its something ether worn out or loose. But I have also heard giving a lift to a Wrangler will cause this as well, any truth to this?

I plan on buying the Wrangler and using it till it ends up dead and rusted over. If the motor goes out, I'll just place another motor in it and go on. I plan on this being my vehicle for life or as long as I can keep her going. So give me any insight to any problems I might have or things I should know. *The biggest worry I have is lifting the wrangler, getting maybe some new rims/tires and getting the death wobble. Like I said, I have done this with all my other previously owned vehicles listed above and no issues.

*CG3 - About the Taurus, I was referring to the new Taurus and Taurus SHO and not the older ones you see all the time. lol
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Don't let that stop you....buy one and have fun.
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As I mentioned before, the mere fact of lifting it will not cause death wobbles. It may however, if not done properly, cause the front end to shimmy or wobble over bumps for a second or two then straighten itself back out.

This shimmy is not death wobble, however the load this puts on the track bar bushes will eventually soften them enough to allow a proper death wobble to occur.

Many people lift without any caster correction, once you get over 2 to 2.5 in you really need to addres the caster angle as it will be decreasing and will cause the front end to shimmy/wobble over bumps as mentioned above. When this is left unaddresed, it will turn into full death wobble which will then start damaging other front end components and you will forever be chasing your tail to find the cause until you bight the bullet and replace all of them at once.

Its no mystery, but can be a pain sometimes to diagnose the exact cause of a front end wobble. See Planmans list of things to check in the Death Wobble sticky.
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So will putting a 2.5 to 3 inch lift cause death wooble on the Wrangler? Like I said, I have owned a Land Rover Defender, Discovery 2, Range Rover and currently a 4th Gen 2004 4Runner. All of these vehicles listed were lifted and more and no issues with death wobble. *I do hear alot of people say its something ether worn out or loose. But I have also heard giving a lift to a Wrangler will cause this as well, any truth to this?
No, not 'directly' true ... no more true than with any other coiler truck.

Death Wobble is not directly caused by lifting a truck. Typically, death wobble is caused by worn out bushings in the suspension links (e.g. - panhard rod or radius arms) or by 'ovalizing' of the ball joint mounts or ball joint wear in the steering components (e.g. - drag link).

Putting a lift on any coiler (D90, Discovery, TJ, JK, whatever) may introduce operating angles into those components that are outside operating specs. This may lead to premature wear in those components which then may lead to death wobble. In addition, I've seen people tear up bushings and ball joints when doing a lift install and then, immediately upon first drive on their new lift, incur death wobble.

Bottom line: lifting a Wrangler doesn't lead to death wobble any more than lifting a D90, Range Rover, or any other coiler truck with front and rear solid axles. Just do some research, pick a quality lift based on how you are going to use the truck, and roll with it. I'm partial to AEV's lift - I do some rock crawling, overlanding, and DD on a regular basis. But, I've heard good things about Rock Krawler and Full Traction (and there are others that certainly people are big fans of). They all have their benefits and drawbacks.

As a side note: you'll find lifting a wrangler is much easier than trying to work out the details for a Rover lift. Most of the Land Rover stuff is piece-meal, while the stuff for Wranglers is much more comprehensive and easier to deal with.

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Are spacer lifts a good option?
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*CG3 - About the Taurus, I was referring to the new Taurus and Taurus SHO and not the older ones you see all the time. lol
Taurus SHO, "produced by the Ford Motor Company from 1989... ". lol
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TEREX - No you got this totally all wrong, maybe you need to catch up to the modern times, this is 2011 going on 2012. There is a 2011 and 2012 SHO, Thank you

Please check it out below, have a good day.

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Im not a Ford fan but it sure beats the heck out of those crappy ugly Chrysler 300 - Wanna be Bentley/Rolls Royce, sorry but this will never happen Chrysler. Trying to hard to be something their not -

Wrangler - Great looking and great off road
Grand Cherokee - Great town driver
Commander - Very Nice

Everything else, nah I can do without all the Chryslers, Compass, Patriot and Liberty.

I mean Chrysler gets rid of the Commander for one reason because the Dodge Durango is a 7 seater and they dont need another 7 seater. But why have three small ugly suvs like the Compass, Patriot and Liberty. The Patroit and Liberty look almost the same and just as small as the Compass. Why dont they get rid of two of the three? *Dont get me wrong the new 2012 Compass looks a lot better than it use too. Way better.

I honestly think Chysler was the worst thing to happen to Jeep. But Im just happy to see the Wrangler is still with us.
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So will putting a 2.5 to 3 inch lift cause death wooble on the Wrangler? Like I said, I have owned a Land Rover Defender, Discovery 2, Range Rover and currently a 4th Gen 2004 4Runner. All of these vehicles listed were lifted and more and no issues with death wobble. *I do hear alot of people say its something ether worn out or loose. But I have also heard giving a lift to a Wrangler will cause this as well, any truth to this?
SeaComms and Comac90 are right on the money.

Personally, I think there are a lot of threads about "death wobble" that are not true DW. Part of this is because people rush out and buy a lift (usually too much of one) without being properly informed as to what they actually need to do it right.

Can't tell you how many threads I've read that started, "I put a 4.5" lift on last week, and my Jeep's all over the road! Do I need an adjustable trackbar?"

Seriously, if you know what you're getting into and do your homework, keep your Jeep properly maintained, etc, a lift will cause you no more problems than most other mods.

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