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Old 02-26-2014, 12:27 PM   #91
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Absolutely not true. It is true that you will have to get a rider that you pay for (insurance will only pay you for OEM headlights) but they WILL pay for whatever you insured. Just like they will pay $1000 for my lightbar, they will pay you $800 for your headlights, provided you pay for the coverage.
Thanks, that what I was thinking.

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I installed the KCs a couple of days ago...no pics..BUT you all know what they look like anyway. What I can say is that the light output is significantly better than stock, very bright white light with a noticable hot spot in the middle and much wider dispersion. My buddy has the TLs and loves them, we parked next to each other last night and the KCs were brighter, did not have an X-pattern and had about the same dispersion. Both are MUCH better than stock, but the swing factor for me was the 20 yr warranty on the KCs.

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I installed the KCs a couple of days ago...no pics..BUT you all know what they look like anyway. What I can say is that the light output is significantly better than stock, very bright white light with a noticable hot spot in the middle and much wider dispersion. My buddy has the TLs and loves them, we parked next to each other last night and the KCs were brighter, did not have an X-pattern and had about the same dispersion. Both are MUCH better than stock, but the swing factor for me was the 20 yr warranty on the KCs.
The no X pattern can be a big sell for peeps...seems to be the biggest complaint with the TLs...that and the melting snow, but some are running the military trucklites with the heating element in the lens.
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It could also be that i leave the Auto lights function on that shortens their life....
The Miata is 14 years old, no auto lights function there.

The JK is set on auto, so that will be my test.

Are you wired stock or do you have a full voltage harness?


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I have read that RainX would keep them clear. Anyone try it?
I am speaking from my own personal experience here- I installed TLs just before this winter began. I live in Connecticut, and as everyone knows we just had a pretty serious winter with prolonged below freezing, and even below zero temps. I commuted through at least 5 different storms with active snow and ice.

My headlights didn't freeze over one...single...time. This has proven to be a Non-issue in my experience.
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The Miata is 14 years old, no auto lights function there.

The JK is set on auto, so that will be my test.

Are you wired stock or do you have a full voltage harness?


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i have the full voltage harness. again the quality of light is night-and-day better than stock and it was a cinch to set up, so i won't complain too much.
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I am speaking from my own personal experience here- I installed TLs just before this winter began. I live in Connecticut, and as everyone knows we just had a pretty serious winter with prolonged below freezing, and even below zero temps. I commuted through at least 5 different storms with active snow and ice. My headlights didn't freeze over one...single...time. This has proven to be a Non-issue in my experience.
Thanks for all the information. Now I'm torn between the TL's and the KC's.
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i have the full voltage harness. again the quality of light is night-and-day better than stock and it was a cinch to set up, so i won't complain too much.
Excellent, this is probably my next mod. But it also may contribute to lowering lamp life expectancy... I was pleased with the improvement just going to the H4 setup, I suspect the full voltage harness is that much better again.
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I think I have decided on the HID Projectors. Now I need to decide on 35W or 55W ballasts. Anyone have a comparison based on color temp? I am looking for as close to white as possible but would rather lean toward blue than yellow. Is the 55W upgrade worth the $50 in cost?
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I think I have decided on the HID Projectors. Now I need to decide on 35W or 55W ballasts. Anyone have a comparison based on color temp? I am looking for as close to white as possible but would rather lean toward blue than yellow. Is the 55W upgrade worth the $50 in cost?
Yes. If your looking for white light. 5000k with 55w ballast will get you there. You can do a Google search search for pictures of the different bulb temps with both 35w and 55w ballasts. If you go to a 6000k and 55w ballast, you will have a slightly noticeable blue. If you use 6000k with 35w, definitely a blue tint to the light. Hope that helps.
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O god I wish I could afford dropping a $800 spot on HIDProjectors! I went to their website and all is said and done the ones I put together came out to ~$749
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i have the full voltage harness. again the quality of light is night-and-day better than stock and it was a cinch to set up, so i won't complain too much.
So the full voltage harness is not required with the 80/100 bulbs? There is no chance of frying the wiring without it would have those bulbs? How much better are those bulbs without the extra harness?
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I think I have decided on the HID Projectors. Now I need to decide on 35W or 55W ballasts. Anyone have a comparison based on color temp? I am looking for as close to white as possible but would rather lean toward blue than yellow. Is the 55W upgrade worth the $50 in cost?
Just to add something....generally speaking, 6000K bulbs (remember that 99.99% of HID bulbs are made in China) are the best quality because they are the most popular. In my experience, the main colors produced in massive quantities are 4300, 6000, and 8000. I run 6000Ks with 55w ballasts, and there is a tiny bit of blue (just enough to visually tell that the bulbs are indeed HIDs,) but only when you are looking at the lights....the light output is basically white. Both 5000s and 6000s with look great, and if you burn one out, they are cheap to replace. In fact, I would order an H1 kit from DDM tuning just so that you have a spare everything (two spare bulbs and two spare ballasts.)
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So the full voltage harness is not required with the 80/100 bulbs? There is no chance of frying the wiring without it would have those bulbs? How much better are those bulbs without the extra harness?
I don't think you can run the 80/100 watt or higher bulbs on the stock wiring harness and they would be really powerful on the full voltage harness.

The +80 that is being discussed is the 80% improved output (or 100% now with the newer version) from the X-treme Vision series of lamps. Most are 60/55 watt, but the euro version is 67/60 I believe (X-treme Power), which isn't a problem on the stock harness.

Philips X-treme Vision 9003 (HB2/H4) (Twin Pack) | PowerBulbs

I like mine now, can't wait to get the full voltage harness on.
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How bright you want your headlights is completely dependent on the user. I upgraded to Hella housings and PIAA bulbs and am 100% satisfied, even without the harness giving them 14.4 volts. I think a great way to save money would be to hook up with fellow JEEPers and see them in real life and then make the decision based on what you're looking for. Most people who pay over $400 for headlights will think there's is "the best".
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I don't think you can run the 80/100 watt or higher bulbs on the stock wiring harness and they would be really powerful on the full voltage harness.

The +80 that is being discussed is the 80% improved output (or 100% now with the newer version) from the X-treme Vision series of lamps. Most are 60/55 watt, but the euro version is 67/60 I believe (X-treme Power), which isn't a problem on the stock harness.

Philips X-treme Vision 9003 (HB2/H4) (Twin Pack) | PowerBulbs

I like mine now, can't wait to get the full voltage harness on.
Ahhh! This is the route I want to go. Start out with your setup and potentially go to the full voltage harness if I'm not fully happy, but by the sounds of it, it's a lot better. I tried the lifetime leds in the stock housing and even though I liked the light output, the leds kept on going out on me so I had to return them.

Where is the best pricing on the hella e-codes? (in a kit with whatever adapters I need)
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I don't think you can run the 80/100 watt or higher bulbs on the stock wiring harness and they would be really powerful on the full voltage harness.

The +80 that is being discussed is the 80% improved output (or 100% now with the newer version) from the X-treme Vision series of lamps. Most are 60/55 watt, but the euro version is 67/60 I believe (X-treme Power), which isn't a problem on the stock harness.

Philips X-treme Vision 9003 (HB2/H4) (Twin Pack) | PowerBulbs

I like mine now, can't wait to get the full voltage harness on.
The Xtreme Power are 80+, which has been replaced by Xtreme Vision 100+. I'm wondering how 100/80w would compare to the Xtreme Visions on a harness. I was going to pick up Osram Night Breaker Unlimiteds for backups but might try the 100/80w or 130/90w instead.
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Ahhh! This is the route I want to go. Start out with your setup and potentially go to the full voltage harness if I'm not fully happy, but by the sounds of it, it's a lot better. I tried the lifetime leds in the stock housing and even though I liked the light output, the leds kept on going out on me so I had to return them.

Where is the best pricing on the hella e-codes? (in a kit with whatever adapters I need)
Try 4 Wheel Parts, another thread some one mentioned getting them for about $37 a piece on sale. I went through RallyLights and it was about about $120 with shipping. They're listed on Amazon for a bit cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Hella-Halogen-...s=hella+e-code
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Try 4 Wheel Parts, another thread some one mentioned getting them for about $37 a piece on sale. I went through RallyLights and it was about about $120 with shipping. They're listed on Amazon for a bit cheaper: http://www.amazon.com/Hella-Halogen-...s=hella+e-code
I looked on rally lights and it was 206 with the adapters and 2 bulbs. Am I looking at the wrong kit?
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I looked on rally lights and it was 206 with the adapters and 2 bulbs. Am I looking at the wrong kit?
The rallylights kit at $206 is the full voltage harness kit. It gives you the H4 housings which come with a Hella 60/55 lamp in the box and their full voltage wiring harness which has leads that you wire directly to your battery with relays.

The only kit I know for the basic conversion is the KC Highlights 42302:

Lights « Headlights « Jk H4 Headlight Kit « KC HiLiTES: Auxiliary Lighting, Off Road Lights, HID Off Road Lights, Fog Lights, LED Light Bars, Driving Lights, Light Bars, Wiring Accessories, Flashlights, Torches

If you google that KC part number, you can usually find that kit around $110. Like Quadratec at $109.99.


I pieced mine together using 4wheelparts for the Hella housings:

This is the ECE (non DOT): Hella Part 002395991 - 7" Round High/Low Beam Headlamp ECE - - 4 Wheel Parts

This is the DOT approved: Hella Part 002395301 - Vision Plus Head Light Conversion - - 4 Wheel Parts

You have to decide what is right for you DOT or non DOT. $38 and $40ea.

This is the KC adapter: Accessories « Electrical Wiring « H13 To H4 Connector Cable « KC HiLiTES: Auxiliary Lighting, Off Road Lights, HID Off Road Lights, Fog Lights, LED Light Bars, Driving Lights, Light Bars, Wiring Accessories, Flashlights, Torches

On Amazon for $20 for the pair.

Those 2 pieces will get you up and running since the Hella housings include a standard H4 lamp.

Then you can decide on the specific lamp upgrade you want to use, Philips +100 sounds good to me. Lots of places to buy lamps...

And if you feel the need to go full voltage, here is the harness: SMS H13 to H4 Upgrade Headlamp Harness For Jeep JK Wrangler 2007> - RallyLights.com

I think that covers most of it... There are other housings like DELTA, Bosch, Cibie and more that are usable in this configuration.

I will say that the Hella was a perfect fit in my JK, no wiggles or anything like that.
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The rallylights kit at $206 is the full voltage harness kit. It gives you the H4 housings which come with a Hella 60/55 lamp in the box and their full voltage wiring harness which has leads that you wire directly to your battery with relays.

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I will say that the Hella was a perfect fit in my JK, no wiggles or anything like that.
Ahhh, that's helpful! Very helpful! I think I will go with the full voltage kit and the 80/100w bulbs rally lights!

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So the full voltage harness is not required with the 80/100 bulbs? There is no chance of frying the wiring without it would have those bulbs? How much better are those bulbs without the extra harness?
I would upgrade the wiring for those bulbs. Also know bulbs that bright might draw unwanted attention. attention. I run 65/70 osrams and they are bright. I went full harness as well.

Keep in mind brighter bulbs equal more frequent replacement also.
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I would upgrade the wiring for those bulbs. Also know bulbs that bright might draw unwanted attention. attention. I run 65/70 osrams and they are bright. I went full harness as well.

Keep in mind brighter bulbs equal more frequent replacement also.
Are those osrams more white then the stock or Hella halogens?
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Are those osrams more white then the stock or Hella halogens?
Very, as stock are like two old flashlights. I have not used Hella bulbs, only osram and narva.

I was curious about the hella hid kit, but it does have a different look.
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I dont like the fact that the projector is exposed. I prefer the HIDprojector setup/look, not to mention, a decent cost savings.
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I just installed the TL's w/anti flicker harness on my JKURX today...It took a little while. Unfortunately I CANNOT remove my front grill now after installing my winch so it was a tight squeeze. Did not know that going in.

Anyway, love the look of the lights and just drove it a little at night. The "hot spots" are quite pronounced but I think I can get used to it. Overall the light "quality" is much better as the whiter light seems to illuminate better. They do seem to be brighter as well (but that could just be the color of the light).

Gotta get used to those hotspots and get my fog lights to match up a little better.
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So after having the lights for a couple of days, I now don't know if I can handle the Hotspots I talked about in the previous post.

Do the JW Speaker lights have the same issues? Do you have to have the anti flicker harness with the JW Speakers?
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So after having the lights for a couple of days, I now don't know if I can handle the Hotspots I talked about in the previous post.

Do the JW Speaker lights have the same issues? Do you have to have the anti flicker harness with the JW Speakers?
From what I have read, JW lights don't have any hot spots, I hear they do need an anti flicker harness but not sure what harness would be best.EAD off road has the JW lights for 334 a piece, by far the cheapest I've seen. I just ordered a pair today along with the fog lights.... I love the way they look and life time warranty cant beat it!
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I am assuming that the TruckLite anti flicker harness will work correctly with the JW Speakers?

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