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Old 01-13-2013, 09:26 PM   #1
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AEV ProCal and Jeep warantee

I've heard a lot of people say that the AVE ProCal unit works great to reset shift points and adjust sensors on the JK to make everything work better. It sounds wonderful but I'm concerned about voiding the warantee on the vehicle. Does anyone have any input about this topic?

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Old 01-13-2013, 09:41 PM   #2
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The entire explanation is very, very, very long. But the short version is no, legally, your warranty can only be "voided" in the United States by tampering with your odometer.
I'm not trying to tell you to "use the search function", I don't enjoy it when someone tells me that, since I usually do that first, and if I'm asking its because I couldn't find what I wanted. What I will say is I am still pretty green around these parts and I personally did search for "Void your warranty" when I first got my JK a short time ago and found a couple threads that really helped. A lot of things regarding your warranty are, apologies if this is the wrong word, "Subjective", from what I've read. It can vary by dealer, mods, etc. There is one person here in particular, who I believe is an actual attorney (his handle escapes me right now, no offense intended), and in many of the posts I found he explained it very clearly (blue JK in his avatar).
Also, google Magnuson (sp?) Moss Act as a little light reading about some of your rights as a consumer.
Hope that helps, if not, help will come soon.

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Old 01-13-2013, 09:49 PM   #3
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from what I was told by AEV is that the procal does not get into the area of the ecm that has any affect on the warranty. I was told that unlike a superchip type tuner the procal does not leave any finger print because it does not get that far into the ecm.
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from what I was told by AEV is that the procal does not get into the area of the ecm that has any affect on the warranty. I was told that unlike a superchip type tuner the procal does not leave any finger print because it does not get that far into the ecm.
That is kind of what I was wondering. I had a friend at work that put a superchip on his desiel F250 (2 year old truck) and blew the engine. The dealer told him his warantee was void and tuff crap. It cost him thousands of dollars and I don't want to risk that. Does AVE have anything in writing about this type of thing?
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:02 PM   #5
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No.

Here's my explanation from another thread:

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First, jeep warranties your vehicle as it left the factory. Anything you change isn't covered, nor is anything damaged by what you change. So if you install a 5" lift that ruins your stock driveshafts, neither the lift itself is covered nor are the driveshafts. Everything else (your paint, radio, electronics, seat stitching, etc.) all remains covered by Chrysler.

Second, that rule applies regardless of what brand the modification is or who installed it. Got that? A dealer install of a Mopar lift is no different from a warranty perspective that a driveway install of a TeraFlex lift. All you accomplish with a dealer installed Mopar lift is spending a lot more than you have to.
So using a procal means no warranty on stuff damaged by the procal.

What does a procal damage? Nothing. So there you have it.
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I found this about the ProCal on the AVE website.

The ProCal only adjusts parameters the vehicle uses in calculations. These parameters will not void your warranty, will not cause reliability issues, and can always be modified or restored to an original value.

So I guess that helps address my concerns. Has anyone had any negative experience?
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No.

Here's my explanation from another thread:

So using a procal means no warranty on stuff damaged by the procal. What does a procal damage? Nothing. So there you have it.
This is what and who I was referring to in my post. No offense MTH, I'm still learning who is who around here.
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Rather than risk voiding the warranty, why not call Chrysler customer service directly with your question, and document whatever they tell you in case it becomes an issue later on? 877-426-5337.
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This is what and who I was referring to in my post. No offense MTH, I'm still learning who is who around here.
Offense? No of course not. I'm always glad to hear new folks are able to ferret out older information using the search feature and the like. The forum is really sort of an archive.

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Rather than risk voiding the warranty, why not call Chrysler customer service directly with your question, and document whatever they tell you in case it becomes an issue later on? 877-426-5337.
No reason not to. Just keep in mind there's an incentive there to present the information in a particular way.

I'm sure Chrysler would rather I state my post above in another way, something like: "It's your vehicle, but keep in mind that Chrysler only warranties the vehicle as it leaves the factory. Whatever you do to it at that point is your responsibility. It's decided on a case-per-case basis, but we can't guarantee warranty coverage on anything that's been changed or that's been affected by what's been changed."

That's absolutely consistent with what I said above . . . but it sure sounds different.
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Only one way to avoid voiding your warranty...Don't mod your vehicle!!
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I found this about the ProCal on the AVE website.

The ProCal only adjusts parameters the vehicle uses in calculations. These parameters will not void your warranty, will not cause reliability issues, and can always be modified or restored to an original value.

So I guess that helps address my concerns. Has anyone had any negative experience?
^^this is what I was wondering! So if by some reason I needed to trade it back in the procal can be undone and be restored back to original setting? This is what I was wanting to hear. My wrangler is a lease (because of a great deal) and I plan on keeping it but wanted to have that option open. Thanks so much!
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Not only can you reset the factory options using the ProCal before handing the Jeep back, but you're recommended to because when you reset the factory options the ProCal can then be used on a different Jeep.
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Not only can you reset the factory options using the ProCal before handing the Jeep back, but you're recommended to because when you reset the factory options the ProCal can then be used on a different Jeep.
That is perfect!! I don't plan on trading it in after the lease but somethin could always happen. As for routine oil changes and inspections, will using the procal have any effect on that?
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As for routine oil changes and inspections, will using the procal have any effect on that?
No.
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Sweet! Thanks so much guys! I'm getting 33s next month and wanted to have all my bases covered. Thanks so much for all of your help!
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My experience...

Vehicle warranties are a tricky thing...and I really think the outcome on a warranty claim varies greatly from dealer-to-dealer.

I recently took my '10 JK to the dealer with help for death wobble (ended up fixing it myself...but that's another story). Anyway, they replaced the front drag link and intermediate steering shaft under warranty, even though the vehicle had been lifted (OME 2.5). According to the Service Manager, they covered the warranty repair because I was still running the stock tires and wheels (haven't gotten that far yet...lol).

It was clear that they would have not been as cooperative if I had already installed bigger tires. Their claim would likely have been that the extra weight/force is was caused the pre-mature wear, thereby voiding the warranty.

That being said, my local dealership also sells modified JKs and even includes an AEV PROCAL with some of the packages. In that case, I would guess that the dealer (as opposed to the manufacturer) would honor the basic warranty.

So, I think it will always be a "gray" area. As previously mentioned, the only way to guaratee yourself full warranty coverage is to NOT modify the vehicle. Anything else will be subject to interpretation!

When I get my new wheels and bigger tires (soon), I plan to get a PROCAL or programmer to help improve driveability. My warranty period is over, so most everything from hear on out is on my dime anyway!

Good luck!

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