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Old 11-14-2013, 11:21 PM   #1
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After Market Navigation System.

I am looking to put a new navigation system in my new JK Unlimited '14. I know this has probably come up at some point, but I wanted to see if anybody had some recommendations.

I have read alot of mixed reviews, but it's really hard to decipher the best ones. I have the bluetooth connectivity so obviously I would like that to be involved as well and possibly DVD reader.

Any suggestions?

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What model radio do you have now? The Mopar bluetooth components will not integrate with an aftermarket unit. You'd have to replace all of it.

You could go to a 430N and get the NAV and DVD reader. The bluetooth will integrate.

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What model radio do you have now? The Mopar bluetooth components will not integrate with an aftermarket unit. You'd have to replace all of it. You could go to a 430N and get the NAV and DVD reader. The bluetooth will integrate. Bob K.
I just have stock for the sport s that has Bluetooth connectivity satellite radio etc. I've heard about the 430N and 730n I believe and I first of all don't really know which is better and second heard those were terrible. Not sure the truth to that or not.

After driving for the first time
On the highway yesterday as well, I realized that the volume doesn't go that high. I know with the top down in the summer I won't hear anything! Does switching the radio alone help increase the volume? Or will I need to get some new speakers as well?
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I am in the same boat , I wanted to make it louder and the place I went to said I would have to do an amp... That a head unit would not make it much louder.... Plus I don't want to lose my u connect
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[QUOTE="nwbronco;6143258"]What model radio do you have now? The Mopar bluetooth components will not integrate with an aftermarket unit. You'd have to replace all of it. You could go to a 430N and get the NAV and DVD reader. The bluetooth will integrate. Bob K.[/QUOTE

Where would I find one of those any idea of the cost
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Someone has to help us and let us know what we should do!
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:48 AM   #7
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Get a GPS

If you are just wanting a Nav system for GPS, IMHO, get a Garmin external GPS. New maps come up every quarter of the year from Garmin and your 430N or 720N will need to be updated. I believe it costs about $85 each time. The external Garmin's come with liftetime free updates. It is also easier to update the external GPS if you put in your own "points of interest". Also, try putting in a GPS coordinate directly into the 430 or 720. It won't happen.
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If you are just wanting a Nav system for GPS, IMHO, get a Garmin external GPS. New maps come up every quarter of the year from Garmin and your 430N or 720N will need to be updated. I believe it costs about $85 each time. The external Garmin's come with liftetime free updates. It is also easier to update the external GPS if you put in your own "points of interest". Also, try putting in a GPS coordinate directly into the 430 or 720. It won't happen.
Ok gotcha. Well on top of navigation I would also want better sound quality and increase in volume. Does the 430 or 720 give that and would I also need to install new speakers?

Thanks!
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Go to this thread. I believe this guy knows what he's talking about when it comes to making the Stock radio better. His audio build starts on Page 5. Scorpion II Build Thread

I'm probably going to do something similar. Upgrade all stock speakers. Add an amp with LC6 or LC8 keep stock 130n but you can always pickup a 430n on eBay. I'm wavering if I'm going to go 430 or not. If i find a deal I can't pass up then I might.
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You can probably get a better quality sounding aftermarket system + an external GPS unit for less than the factory navigation systems run. I personally don't like built in nav for the reasons previously listed. Plus, it's a Jeep. Not the most secure vehicle. I like things I can remove and take out of the Jeep when they aren't being used. You can't steal it if it's not there.
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Better Sound

The 430 and the 720 will not give you better sound. The entire sound system in a Jeep is cheap. The speakers (all 6 of them) are 2-ohm cheap speakers. If you have a sub, you can barely hear it. You can stay with your original head unit or replace it but you need to get quality 4-ohm speakers put in, put in a 4 or 5-chan amp, put in a LOC and PAC and you will rock.
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o Kenwood 5-Chan Amplifier under Passenger Seat x700-5
o 8” JL Audio Subwoofer 8W1v2
o Stinger 8 GA Pro wiring kit SPK5681R
o Stinger 12’ 4chan RCA SI4412
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If only someone made something that had solid standalone in-dash navigation with 3D topography and on-board trail maps.... but it ran Android 4.2 so it could do everything else you wanted like view sat imagery with Google Earth and access OBD engine data via Torque Pro. Add in an on-board SD card so you could rock out to tunes with no moving parts and no skipping on the trail....

...now THAT would be awesome. Ah, but only if.

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My 730n Nav stinks. When I need my Nav I put my Garmin in the tray under the rear view mirror. Garmin is fantastic. Mopar sucks, plain and simple.
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If only someone made something that had solid standalone in-dash navigation with 3D topography and on-board trail maps.... but it ran Android 4.2 so it could do everything else you wanted like view sat imagery with Google Earth and access OBD engine data via Torque Pro. Add in an on-board SD card so you could rock out to tunes with no moving parts and no skipping on the trail....

...now THAT would be awesome. Ah, but only if.

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any idea what the price of that is yet? Looks like the ones you buy from China...
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I "upgraded" to my 430n after having a Kenwood DX691 in my Jeep for a few weeks.

I had added the db651s in all 4 speakers. I see little difference with the Kenwood vs the 430n as far as sound quality.

I like the Garmin maps in my 430n.

I like having sat radio without having to pay extra for a receiver. I like it connecting without having to deal with the idata interface (and all the wiring).

I think the 430n is less likely to be stolen than an aftermarket unit. Mine is anti-theft and will only work in Chrysler products with the right speed bus (less ways to make it fit)

My 430n adds a HDD. Great feature.

My uConnect BT works better than the Kenwood.

I like my 430n over aftermarket ones. But, if I were pulling EVERYTHING out, I can see going with an aftermarket instead of a line converter.
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I "upgraded" to my 430n after having a Kenwood DX691 in my Jeep for a few weeks.

I had added the db651s in all 4 speakers. I see little difference with the Kenwood vs the 430n as far as sound quality.

I like the Garmin maps in my 430n.

I like having sat radio without having to pay extra for a receiver. I like it connecting without having to deal with the idata interface (and all the wiring).

I think the 430n is less likely to be stolen than an aftermarket unit. Mine is anti-theft and will only work in Chrysler products with the right speed bus (less ways to make it fit)

My 430n adds a HDD. Great feature.

My uConnect BT works better than the Kenwood.

I like my 430n over aftermarket ones. But, if I were pulling EVERYTHING out, I can see going with an aftermarket instead of a line converter.
If you're using the stock amp... nothing will sound better, its just the features of the HU that you are buying into.
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You can probably get a better quality sounding aftermarket system + an external GPS unit for less than the factory navigation systems run. I personally don't like built in nav for the reasons previously listed. Plus, it's a Jeep. Not the most secure vehicle. I like things I can remove and take out of the Jeep when they aren't being used. You can't steal it if it's not there.
+1 You can get a nice Pioneer touch screen with Appradio plus all the install gear and harnesses for about $400. A nice 6 or 7 inch Garmin is $180 to maybe $300. That's $700 tops. You might find a used 430 for that but it's not as nice, it's used and you can't use the nav in your wife's car or RV.
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If only someone made something that had solid standalone in-dash navigation with 3D topography and on-board trail maps.... but it ran Android 4.2 so it could do everything else you wanted like view sat imagery with Google Earth and access OBD engine data via Torque Pro. Add in an on-board SD card so you could rock out to tunes with no moving parts and no skipping on the trail....

...now THAT would be awesome. Ah, but only if.

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If you're using the stock amp... nothing will sound better, its just the features of the HU that you are buying into.
There have been several threads on here that stated aftermarket HUs put out more power simply from the HU. That was not the case for me. I found that the 430n was louder than my 130 - enough that I decided to go no amp for now. At least for the speakers other than the sub.

As I said in another thread on this, it IS easier to connect an amp and such to an aftermarket HU, but to me, the aftermarket makes it MUCH more "stealable". The Mopar one only works in Mopars, and then only in ones with the correct bus.

THe biggest thing for me was the uconnect BT. It readds my emails to me. The Kenwood (a midgrade/ higher end unit -list over $1K) didnt. It also didnt have a HD.

I got my 430n for about $800 on eBay...
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One thing is that most aftermarkets with Garmin based NAV, can have their maps easily and inexpensively updated by simply inserting a micro-SD card. It costs me like $30, and at that price, I update once a year.

Map updates for the 430N (or 730N) are considerably more expensive.
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There have been several threads on here that stated aftermarket HUs put out more power simply from the HU. That was not the case for me. I found that the 430n was louder than my 130 - enough that I decided to go no amp for now. At least for the speakers other than the sub.

As I said in another thread on this, it IS easier to connect an amp and such to an aftermarket HU, but to me, the aftermarket makes it MUCH more "stealable". The Mopar one only works in Mopars, and then only in ones with the correct bus.

THe biggest thing for me was the uconnect BT. It readds my emails to me. The Kenwood (a midgrade/ higher end unit -list over $1K) didnt. It also didnt have a HD.

I got my 430n for about $800 on eBay...
Yes... thats true. I didnt realize you had no amp at all. No idea why you threw so much money at an under featured head unit and no amp.
Double check with the dealer to have them look over the 430n to make sure its not running in amp mode. The dealers flash the system to enable/disable the premium audio and the head unit will adjust its power output based on that flash. If you bought a used one that was hooked up to an amp, it may be thinking it is paired to an amp and sending lower power down the lines.

Also.. saying you want to buy something so it is less likely to be stolen is like justifying the install of an 8 track in today's modern cars. Sure no one wants it... but isnt that saying something?
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Oh... and my $600 Parrot Asteroid SMART will do anything I want for me. Including reading emails etc... and backup camera, extra camera... blah blah blah. Look around, much more options out there.
Cost of memory these days you can get a large storage USB flashdrive or hard drive for less than the cost difference AND take it anywhere you want rather than the PAINFUL process of ripping CD's to your new radio's hard drive.
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The 430N would be a complete plug n play taking about 3 minutes to do if you're good like me. I've done several.

The 730N is a complete piece of garbage in terms of navigation.

I went the 430N since I love the Garmin maps, the system is very snappy, and it looks completely stock.
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Yes... thats true. I didnt realize you had no amp at all. No idea why you threw so much money at an under featured head unit and no amp.
Double check with the dealer to have them look over the 430n to make sure its not running in amp mode. The dealers flash the system to enable/disable the premium audio and the head unit will adjust its power output based on that flash. If you bought a used one that was hooked up to an amp, it may be thinking it is paired to an amp and sending lower power down the lines.

Also.. saying you want to buy something so it is less likely to be stolen is like justifying the install of an 8 track in today's modern cars. Sure no one wants it... but isnt that saying something?
I dont want to argue, but I also hope you can understand where I am coming from. Not everyone wants/needs the same thing. The 430n fit my needs better than a $1K aftermarket amp. And was cheaper.

I do have an amp and everything seems fine - the 130 worked well, the Kenwood dx691 added some features and was louder and the 430n was every bit as good as the Kenwood and just as loud - with the factory amp.

The "features the Kenwood added, added nothing I wanted.
I dont use iheart radio.
I rarely use Pandora
I dont need Torque with the command center in my Jeep
all the app connectivity was wasted on me. And if I really wanted to use it, I can control it on my phone instead of the head unit - it still works even with the 130.

The Kenwood's mic was just in the way. It didnt look right sitting on my steering wheel. I liked the integrated stock one much better.
The Kenwoods BT added more options, but they didnt work as well as the uconnect - to ME. I ended up switching everything back to uconnect on the idata.
The Kenwood BT could not read emails to me. That was a major loss.
The thing that really made my mind up was camera integration. The Kenwood had issues. I got the run around from Crutchfield so I sent it back and put my 130 back in.

In addition to reading emails, the 430n also added a hard drive. Major plus for me.

So, the Kenwood added features I didnt want (app data), had a worse mike and BT, made me add extra items like the idata simply to have it work, and didnt have the features that really mattered to me (read email and hard drive).

My comment on the lack of theft appeal is not because its less of a unit or has less features (because in my view the more expensive Kenwood has less USABLE features), its because it will fit less vehicles. There are also people like you who look down on it because it is not as flashy as the aftermarket one but its features fit my needs better than one others want. So less people to steal it is a benefit. I get a unit that I want and others want it less - win win!
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Map updates for the 430N (or 730N) are considerably more expensive.
If you can get an update, I have a 2013 JLUR purchased in April of 2013 and I have been told over and over by Jeep and their map people that I have the latest and best maps available for my Jeep. My maps that are at least 15 months old and I am guessing closer to 18 months or more.

I just got back from a 13682 mile trip to Alaska and this system took me on roads that no longer where there or had no idea where I was at least a dozen times and did not show rivers or lakes more than a dozen times, it didn't even have the Snake River in parts of WY

I think I will switch to aftermarket when I can
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The 430N maps are widely available on Torrents. Just saying.

430N crushes the 730N but I'm a Garmin homer.
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The 430N maps are widely available on Torrents. Just saying.

430N crushes the 730N but I'm a Garmin homer.
You don't have to be a Garmin homer to see the difference. Anyone that thinks the 730N nav is good has not seen a Garmin. This is my second Jeep with the 730N and let's just say I would have downgraded the unit if I could have.
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You don't have to be a Garmin homer to see the difference. Anyone that thinks the 730N nav is good has not seen a Garmin. This is my second Jeep with the 730N and let's just say I would have downgraded the unit if I could have.
I agree. I've had both. 730N is complete garbage IMO. I just traded someone my 730N straight for their 430N so there's options out there.

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