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Old 11-16-2011, 09:46 PM   #1
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aftermarket headlight bulb review

looking to get some better bulbs. what do you guys recommend
how can i install HIDs, i dont see anyone who makes projector housings.

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im not to sure on the best one or not but i would go with some kinda H4 bulb kit over an HID. just me tho

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Review of Philips Xtreme Power +80

2009 Christmas Review Special: Philips X-treme Power +80 | Lounge | APH Networks

The review is using 9006, but they make a 9008/H13 as well.
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looking to get some better bulbs. what do you guys recommend
how can i install HIDs, i dont see anyone who makes projector housings.
Read everything and anything that Hilldweller has posted on this and you'll be fine.
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I'm so confused about this topic. Are the Philips +80 direct plugins to the existing lamp, or is there more to upgrade than just the bulb?
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They are a replacement bulb. All you have to do is plug them in. I put a set in my jeep and I love them
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I'm so confused about this topic. Are the Philips +80 direct plugins to the existing lamp, or is there more to upgrade than just the bulb?
Yes. You can add to the bulbs also

So the answer is.... yes and yes
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I have the Phillips x-tream's and they made all the difference in the world. My headlights now are good......damn good in fact. The bulb change was and is easy.

See all of the work doen already by "Hilldweller" and enjoy the research. Its massive.
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re: "Read everything and anything that Hilldweller has posted on this and you'll be fine. "

modify to "then DO it"....

I originally upgraded my stock 08 headlights to +80s....and they WERE massive improvement from stock. You CAN install directly without further wiring mods. And they DID serve me well....for about 6 months. And I DID come to desire/need even better.

Your pocket, your $$, your choice.

Anybody want a 'good deal' on a pair of slightly used +80s? I ain't going back.
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re: "Read everything and anything that Hilldweller has posted on this and you'll be fine. "

modify to "then DO it"....

I originally upgraded my stock 08 headlights to +80s....and they WERE massive improvement from stock. You CAN install directly without further wiring mods. And they DID serve me well....for about 6 months. And I DID come to desire/need even better.

Your pocket, your $$, your choice.

Anybody want a 'good deal' on a pair of slightly used +80s? I ain't going back.

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re: "Read everything and anything that Hilldweller has posted on this and you'll be fine. "

modify to "then DO it"....

I originally upgraded my stock 08 headlights to +80s....and they WERE massive improvement from stock. You CAN install directly without further wiring mods. And they DID serve me well....for about 6 months. And I DID come to desire/need even better.

Your pocket, your $$, your choice.

Anybody want a 'good deal' on a pair of slightly used +80s? I ain't going back.
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Ah, what's the matter with the JK lights?

Problems:
1) H13 reflectors aren't very good.
2) Stock H13 bulbs aren't very good.
3) Stock wiring has intrinsic problems --- voltage reaching the bulbs is via a pulsewidth modulated circuit with a duty cycle from 4.5v to 12.7v, not optimal. The wiring also goes though a series of switches and relays and has a wire gauge in some areas that is less than what I'd want.

Solutions:
1) Better bulbs. The Phillips Xtreme Power is a better H13 bulb.
But you still have bad wiring, bad reflector, and PWM to deal with.

2) Better bulbs and an H13 to H13 harness. Hmmmm; all you have wrong now is that reflector.
Rallylights can build you the harness.

3) Better bulbs and better reflector; the H4 "plug-n-play" ---- nice idea but you just made the PWM/wiring worse....

4) Better bulbs, better reflectors, better wires. This is the simple/best halogen solution ---- Daniel Stern Lighting's Cibie E-code H4 reflectors, a good H4 bulb (Osram Rallye 70/65, Phillips Xtreme Power, Narva, etc), and a full harness to bypass the PWM and substandard wiring.
Susquehanna Motorsports, aka, Rallylights.com, also has a kit with Hella reflectors and a harness. It costs less than the Stern kit but falls short on photometry performance. It shoots a very bright beam straight forward though. Very bright indeed. But on lowbeam there's too much foreground lighting and the highbeam is aimed a bit too high.
Good value though.

5) HID --- one of the holy grails. But is it?
To do it legally, I only know of one "kit" that fits and works. It's the Valeo/Sylvania XE7. You'd need a bypass harness too and would have to modify the buckets and move the airbag sensor to make it fit. On the '12s and newer you'd need an extra trim bucket as a shim.
Is it worth it? Do you LOVE HID and HAVE to have them?

6) LED ---- the other Holy Grail, the JW Speaker #8700 fits the same as the HID kit I spoke of. I like the light better than HID; I also think it's a fairly cool technology.
Costs alot, doesn't work as well as Stern's Cibie kit, but has the advantage of never needing to be replaced.
Is it worth it? If you love LED...

Don't put HID capsules into your halogen reflectors; it's illegal and dangerous.
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Thanks everyone! Much clearer now, and so to will my night driving.
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Anybody utilize the Phillips in a 2012 JK? Every compatibility system I look at states that they are not compatible.

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Trucklite LEDs-

do you not believe these stand up as a quality 'plug and play' LED option either???
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Anybody utilize the Phillips in a 2012 JK? Every compatibility system I look at states that they are not compatible.

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Yes, the H13 Philips Xtreme Power +80s (9008) is plug 'n' play in the 2012. And a great improvement over stock!

Amazon.com: Philips H13 9008 X-treme Power Headlight Bulb, Pack of 2: Automotive
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Yes, the H13 Philips Xtreme Power +80s (9008) is plug 'n' play in the 2012. And a great improvement over stock!

Amazon.com: Philips H13 9008 X-treme Power Headlight Bulb, Pack of 2: Automotive
I just put these in my 2012 last weekend and it's a HUGE improvement. I didn't have really high expectations because I wasn't replacing wiring and stuff, but they are better than I planned. I'd say they are what you'd expect a brand new jeep to come with stock, nothing extra ordinary, but for $30 and a half hour I'm more than pleased.
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Trucklite LEDs-

do you not believe these stand up as a quality 'plug and play' LED option either???
They're a pretty light, a very robust light, but don't have good photometric properties; they perform very poorly in objective testing.

They're best suited for very hardcore use. Trail rigs, law enforcement, military. Places where damage is likely. And are best used along with supplemental lighting to fill in the voids they leave.
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Thanks. I just ordered them and will install them this weekend. Any tricks I need to know for the install?

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Thanks. I just ordered them and will install them this weekend. Any tricks I need to know for the install?

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For the Phillips bulbs?
Just take out the old bulbs and put in the new ones. Make sure they're clean; mineral spirits and paper towels are good to clean them.
And then aim your lights to take full advantage of the better focused light.
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They're a pretty light, a very robust light, but don't have good photometric properties; they perform very poorly in objective testing.

They're best suited for very hardcore use. Trail rigs, law enforcement, military. Places where damage is likely. And are best used along with supplemental lighting to fill in the voids they leave.
Thanks! since my rig is a DD, i'm not doing much military/LE style driving, the high costs don't seem to be worth the benefit...even though they are really kewl looking LEDs

To start, i'm going to throw out my junk PIAA Xtreme white plus bulbs that did nothing but make a weak beam whiter and add H13 Philips Xtreme Power +80s...wish I knew about these before I dumped $80 last year!

Do you think with the Philips I will notice improvement over the PIAAs?
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my stock lights suck on 2012 those lights look good, do they make one for fog lights so they match. I have to have fogs on just to see the road.
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So I noticed tonight you can actually see the bulbs flicker.....
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Earlier tonight I put on the Rallylights H4 kit with Hella reflectors, 80/100 Hella H4 bulb, and the custom harness built for the Rallylights kit. Let's see, how much better than stock is it... 3 times better. Seriously. Best $200 you'll spend.
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JUst ordered some H-13 Philips tonight.
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Before I got my Jeep, I saw all these threads about the stock lights and had upgraded housings and what not down as one of my first mods...

I have to say that after driving it, I think the stock lights are fine. Am I a freak or something?
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Before I got my Jeep, I saw all these threads about the stock lights and had upgraded housings and what not down as one of my first mods...

I have to say that after driving it, I think the stock lights are fine. Am I a freak or something?
Not a freak, that's basically what I thought. They are serviceable. But I've also had the experience of going better headlight on motorcycles, where light is more critical. So I knew the difference was apt to be pretty good. Well the difference is more than pretty good, it's major.

Unconscious levels of stress go down, safety goes up. Do it, you owe it to yourself. Not related to Rallylights in any way except as a very satisfied customer.

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@Up Hill Bill - Thank you for the link! I went ahead and ordered 2 sets this morning.

@HillDweller - You mentioned aiming the lights after install. Any tips, or suggestions would be appreciated. How out of alignment were yours after install?

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