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Old 02-18-2012, 10:29 AM   #61
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This is interesting and I hope you keep us informed as time goes by. I'm still skeptical how it will turn out for you. My biggest concern would be using atv for an adhesive. Didn't I read where you said they recommended to put 4 screws in it. I never thought of atv as an adhesive but more of a sealer. I suspect atv would pull right off your plastic windsheild. I suspect the screws were for a safety. The wipers should be a good test for scratches but how about those real hard to get off bugs? I know it said scratch resistant but that doesn't mean scratch proof. I have had to reinstall a rear view mirror on a windshield and it seems I remember having a hard time with that even using the correct cement. Installing yours using the atv should be a very good test as to how well your plastic windshield should be stuck to your window frame. You might want to reconsider putting those screws in.
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This is interesting and I hope you keep us informed as time goes by. I'm still skeptical how it will turn out for you. My biggest concern would be using atv for an adhesive. Didn't I read where you said they recommended to put 4 screws in it. I never thought of atv as an adhesive but more of a sealer. I suspect atv would pull right off your plastic windsheild. I suspect the screws were for a safety. The wipers should be a good test for scratches but how about those real hard to get off bugs? I know it said scratch resistant but that doesn't mean scratch proof. I have had to reinstall a rear view mirror on a windshield and it seems I remember having a hard time with that even using the correct cement. Installing yours using the atv should be a very good test as to how well your plastic windshield should be stuck to your window frame. You might want to reconsider putting those screws in.
Good luck with it and like I said, keep us informed and thanks for your review.
I will continue to keep everyone informed. Ill see how it goes with the sealer, (RTV Silicone) and if i think its starting to come loose or anything, I'll throw in the screws. The instructions just said use screws for quick application.
I actually ran into a few very large nasty bugs, it seemed to come off pretty easy with the bug stuff for the windshield wiper fluid.
I stuck the metal plate on the windshield about 30 minutes ago. Im going to wait a couple hours before I try to stick the mirror back on. I dont have to go to work for a few more hours, so I am hoping it will be good by then.
If anything, I dont really mind attaching the mirror to the frame. I actually like the idea of that just to have a bigger field of view.
It was raining pretty hard last night and the water seemed to roll off a lot better than glass, then again, that could just be because its new and very clean.
Keep the questions coming so that I can better help everyone decide if its worth it or not.

Right now I feel its worth it just because I know its not going to break. We will see how my opinion changes over time.

I will be doing another video in a little while to show you how the window looks without the black paint around the edges. I used black glue so it doesnt really stand out all that much. I do plan on painting it, but since I left the instructions at the glass place, I'll have to get another copy. I called them this morning and left a message. I can't remember exactly what they said to use. I do remember that it was a 3m product.

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So, rtv silicone didn't work out for the rear view mirror. Read online that gorilla glue works. Trying that out. It's not drying fast enough so I used masking take to hold it in place.
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I would try am epoxy for the mirror. Gorilla glue is good stuff but it is too reactive. Meaning it needs moisture to cure and foams up leaving a bit of a cleanup job.
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Yeah, gorilla glue didn't work. I'll try epoxy
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I would also try sanding the area that the mirror plate needs to go. Give it something to bite.
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Yeah, thanks, that's what I was going to do.
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Turns out gorilla glue worked after all.

I glued the plate on and two hours later I stuck the mirror on and fell off just minutes later. Tried letting it dry another hour and it still came off. So, I stuck it on the windshield just so I wouldn't lose the metal plate and when I got out of work last night, I tried to yank it off and I couldn't. Lol

Anyway, the whole mirror was still stuck on this morning when I left for school. (I ride my Harley to school to save gas)
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I noticed when I am driving into the wind, south bound on the freeway and north blowing wind, I can hear a whistle. I think its going in the space between the window and the frame on the bottom half.
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So after it all would you do it again?
As of now, yes. Keep in mind I've only had it about a week.
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UPDATE:

I can still smell the rtv silicone. I've left my Windows open for days hoping it would wear out. Its not that bad, just rather not smell it.
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I hope the polycarbonate window works out. After my windshield was demolished on a road trip (rocks instead of gravel on a snowy highway), I can sure see the appeal.

I know it is a bit late, but isn't the stiffness of the windshield a structural element? It is in most vehicles, but maybe that doesn't apply to vehicle that allows the window to fold down. In older Camaros, if the car was driven hard without the windshield in, you could warp the roof severely, and the dash retaining screws would rip out on either side. (long story)
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I hope the polycarbonate window works out. After my windshield was demolished on a road trip (rocks instead of gravel on a snowy highway), I can sure see the appeal.

I know it is a bit late, but isn't the stiffness of the windshield a structural element? It is in most vehicles, but maybe that doesn't apply to vehicle that allows the window to fold down. In older Camaros, if the car was driven hard without the windshield in, you could warp the roof severely, and the dash retaining screws would rip out on either side. (long story)
I don't think the stiffness of the windshield is a bog factor. Afterall, it is just sitting in a from (all Wranglers). Also, its doing the job of shielding the wind, so the protection is still there.
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UPDATE:

GORILLA GLUE FAILED TODAY! Sanded it and re-applied with epoxy. It is drying as you read.

It.says it sets in 5 minutes, however, it fully cures in 24 hours. That being said, I think I'll be waiting the full time.
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The latteral stiffness of the glass may be important in keeping the windshield frame square, so the hardtop roof seals don't move and leak.
The idea is like the sheet of cardboard on the back of a cheap bookshelf.
The Camaro ('86 if I remember right) needed that glass a lot more than we thought. The poly itself is probably stiff enough, but the RTV bond to the windsheild frame may end up as the weak link. Maybe not. I was just putting it out there, since one seemingly simple change can often lead to a bunch of unanticipated results. We have all been there.

I look forward to hearing how it works out over an extended period. I had five chips turn into five cross-window cracks over three days, while visiting friends over Christmas. Everytime the Jeep warmed up from freezing to warm, the cracks grew several inches. I have never seen a window fail so rapidly before, and I was certainly wondering if there was something better out there.
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You live very close to me, Im off 1488 if you know where that is. Anyway I was driving down I-10 Tuesday and a rock cracked my windshield, the crack spread about 2.5 inches just on my way to college today. Ill have to keep an eye on this thread till I decide what to do.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how this thing works over the long haul, especially since I've dropped the link to the poly shields in several threads.

Kinda like watching a long-term science experiment. I'm really curious to see how the atv silicon holds up over time in the Houston heat/humidity, and the windshield itself after it takes a few good incoming rounds.

Thanks for the documentation, JimmEC. Hopefully, you won't be disappointed.
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I have had to reinstall a rear view mirror on a windshield and it seems I remember having a hard time with that even using the correct cement. Installing yours using the atv should be a very good test as to how well your plastic windshield should be stuck to your window frame. You might want to reconsider putting those screws in.
Good luck with it and like I said, keep us informed and thanks for your review.
Have you done any testing at all regarding how well the windshield is stuck to the frame? Like pushing out on a corner? I ask because you mentioned hearing whistling. That might indicate air is leaking thru. Have you tried blasting water around the edges to see if it leaks? I've had some experience working with Lexan in the maintenance field and I will still be very surprised if that atv stays stuck to your windshield. I believe your windshield is probably made of Lexan or some other generic brand of the same stuff.

I purchase 4x8 sheets of Lexan in 1/4 and 1/2 thickness. Our maintenance guys install this on some of our forklifts and front loaders for protection around our aluminum furnaces. I think I pay around $200 give or take a few dollars for a 4x8x1/4 sheet.

This is my soninlaw drossing our 120,000 pound furnace:


Working in an ice cream factory would probably be a cooler job but maybe not as cool.
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The latteral stiffness of the glass may be important in keeping the windshield frame square, so the hardtop roof seals don't move and leak.
The idea is like the sheet of cardboard on the back of a cheap bookshelf.
The Camaro ('86 if I remember right) needed that glass a lot more than we thought. The poly itself is probably stiff enough, but the RTV bond to the windsheild frame may end up as the weak link. Maybe not. I was just putting it out there, since one seemingly simple change can often lead to a bunch of unanticipated results. We have all been there.

I look forward to hearing how it works out over an extended period. I had five chips turn into five cross-window cracks over three days, while visiting friends over Christmas. Everytime the Jeep warmed up from freezing to warm, the cracks grew several inches. I have never seen a window fail so rapidly before, and I was certainly wondering if there was something better out there.
Well, hopefully it works out since I've already invested.

I did have a rock nail the shit out of it on the way to dinner this evening. I laughed and gave the rock the finger.
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You live very close to me, Im off 1488 if you know where that is. Anyway I was driving down I-10 Tuesday and a rock cracked my windshield, the crack spread about 2.5 inches just on my way to college today. Ill have to keep an eye on this thread till I decide what to do.
Cool. Where do you go to school?

I live at 45 and Rayford. (right next to Mollys pub). Come check out the windshield if you want.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how this thing works over the long haul, especially since I've dropped the link to the poly shields in several threads.

Kinda like watching a long-term science experiment. I'm really curious to see how the atv silicon holds up over time in the Houston heat/humidity, and the windshield itself after it takes a few good incoming rounds.

Thanks for the documentation, JimmEC. Hopefully, you won't be disappointed.
Yeah, no problem. I'm having fun documenting this.
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Have you done any testing at all regarding how well the windshield is stuck to the frame? Like pushing out on a corner? I ask because you mentioned hearing whistling. That might indicate air is leaking thru. Have you tried blasting water around the edges to see if it leaks? I've had some experience working with Lexan in the maintenance field and I will still be very surprised if that atv stays stuck to your windshield. I believe your windshield is probably made of Lexan or some other generic brand of the same stuff.

I purchase 4x8 sheets of Lexan in 1/4 and 1/2 thickness. Our maintenance guys install this on some of our forklifts and front loaders for protection around our aluminum furnaces. I think I pay around $200 give or take a few dollars for a 4x8x1/4 sheet.

This is my soninlaw drossing our 120,000 pound furnace:


Working in an ice cream factory would probably be a cooler job but maybe not as cool.
I haven't pushed on it, and I really don't want to. Lol. We have had some pretty heavy rain lately and I haven't had any leaks.

I thought it might be air, but I'm hoping its just the gap on the lower side of the windshield.
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I haven't pushed on it, and I really don't want to. Lol. We have had some pretty heavy rain lately and I haven't had any leaks.

I thought it might be air, but I'm hoping its just the gap on the lower side of the windshield.
I hope the epoxy works out for you. It could be a gap or an edge causing the whistle. I'm just wondering if there is another adhesive that would be better. I think the folks that are putting them in race cars would be testing how well the adhesive holds. Maybe a different brand or a different surface prep that etches the coating. Did the rtv fail completely on the mirror? As in it fell off without leaving any on the windshield.
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I hope the epoxy works out for you. It could be a gap or an edge causing the whistle. I'm just wondering if there is another adhesive that would be better. I think the folks that are putting them in race cars would be testing how well the adhesive holds. Maybe a different brand or a different surface prep that etches the coating. Did the rtv fail completely on the mirror? As in it fell off without leaving any on the windshield.
The universal seal they used, they only put on the sides and top. Not the bottom. That's why I believe that's where its coming from.

The rtv silicone stuck to the windshield, but not to the metal plate of the rear view mirror.
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Cool. Where do you go to school?

I live at 45 and Rayford. (right next to Mollys pub). Come check out the windshield if you want.
Im going to Lonestar Montgomery.I think Ill give you a little time to test it out and see how it holds up before I take a look.

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