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Old 06-25-2012, 02:18 PM   #1
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Another Lift vs Leveling Kit Thread

I just added 285/75/16 Duratracs with proper backspaced aftermarket wheels. I also picked up the TF Leveling Kit but only had time to put tires and wheels on last week before a weekend camping and hiking trip. Everything I've read says the DT's are fine on road and will rub a bit offroad when flexed. I was only a bit offroad this weekend and it rubbed ALOT. If I was going over 10 miles per hour on a dirt road and hit a small rock, dip, hole or anything the front tire would grind into the fender. This was on a road that 2WD sedans were making it up. This is partially because the tires stick slightly outside the fenders.

So my question is will the leveling kit be enough lift to keep my tires from rubbing on the fenders constantly? I have an 07 JKUR which is my DD, I live in the mountains, use it for camping, accessing traiheads in the rockies, moderate offroading, not really into straight up rock crawling, more trails and getting to places where people from Denver (of course not the folks from Denver on this forum) can't get to.

I don't really want to step up to the 2.5 BB lift, partially becasue I already have the leveling kit, partially because I've already spent a ton of money and because it seems unneccessary to me. I ran some great trails with my straight stock setup, Swan River forks and Adams lake on Traildamage.com and that is the type of stuff I like to get into. I don't see myself getting into stuff much more difficult in the near future as I have ton of other activities to keep me busy.

What is the advantage of the "Performance Leveling Kit" vs. the basic one? And if I were to go to the 2.5 would I need new shocks or would the Rubi shocks be sufficient? I'm pretty new to all this but it seems if I was going to step it up I would be better off doing a lift with new springs as opposed to spacers? Does that make sense?

I know that's a bunch of random statments and questions but opinions and suggestions are much appreciated.

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Old 06-25-2012, 02:41 PM   #2
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Shouldn't even need a leveling kit with 285/75/16 unless you plan on disconnecting and doing some extreme articulations. But a leveling kit will be fine for all cases. A lot of people run 35's on leveling kits. They can't disconnect either mind you. I ran 285/70/17 with 19/60 coils with no issues for a year. A little less then a leveling kit up front. The same in rear

285/75/16 are only 3/4" more then stock 255/75/17 and you only use radius for fender side which is half that.

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Old 06-25-2012, 02:57 PM   #3
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i'm going to disagree here.

everyone has a different situation.

so what may rub for you probably doesn't rub for someone else.

however, you got 2 options:

1. put on the leveling kit and see if you still rub

2. buy a coil lift and pray you don't rub.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:01 PM   #4
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Why would you disagree? It's only 285/75. I would see if they were bigger tires but these aren't that much bigger then stock 32's. A leveling kit is 2" up front and 1" in rear. More then enough for 285's with proper bs
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:06 PM   #5
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With 3/4" coil spacers, and wheels with 4.5" BS, my 285/75s rubbed the rear flares when flexed and the front air dam when turned full lock and in reverse. Otherwise, I had zero contact no matter how I drove it.

My coils are 17s/59s.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:09 PM   #6
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It is strange that you were getting that much rubbing. I'm assuming it was your rear tires that were hitting the fender? Like Rics said, a tire that size it typically fine on road with stock suspension.

Anyhow, I kinda side with pluke here. I also run 285/75/16s (Falken Rocky Mountains), 16x8.5 wheels with 4.5" BS, and a TF leveling kit. When disconnected, I was rubbing the inner fenders pretty good when fully flexed. The pic below is with 17/58 springs and the TF leveling kit. I was making pretty good contact with the ribbed portion of the inner fender.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:19 PM   #7
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Why would you disagree? It's only 285/75. I would see if they were bigger tires but these aren't that much bigger then stock 32's. A leveling kit is 2" up front and 1" in rear. More then enough for 285's with proper bs
from experience, i was able to rub my fenders with stock steel wheels and stock sport tires on my fenders by disconnecting my front sway bar.

so entirely possible. everyone situation is different though. what may rub for you may not rub for me and vice versa.
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I was getting alot of rubbing up front, some in the back but off road on a very simple dirt road. I know the 285's aren't that much bigger than the stock 255's but they look MUCH bigger. Changed the look of the entire vehicle, which I like but I don't want to sacrifice that much performance for a nice look driving through town. I bought it because of its offroad abilities first.......and because it looks cool 2nd.....
4FIT so are you still running that setup and just dealing with the rubbing? I'm assuming that if I rub without the leveling kit on a simple road that I am going to rub with the leveling kit when I get it on something more challenging and especially if I'm disconnected.
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Must be easier to do on the Unlimited. I have disco'd with 285/70/17 with 19/60 with 1" spacer up front only to compensate for heavy front bumper and winch and never rubbed but it was a two door too. Not as heavy and doesn't sag as much on the same springs as a 4 door. Guess thats why most lifts say 1/2" difference in lift between a 2dr or 4dr.

But the way the OP seemed to be talking, he isn't disconnecting anyways. Just assuming on how his post read. So if he doesn't plan to disco then he shouldn't have a issue with a leveling kit
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I'm assuming that if I rub without the leveling kit on a simple road that I am going to rub with the leveling kit when I get it on something more challenging and especially if I'm disconnected.
You're correct.

If you plan on disconnecting, you will rub either way, with a leveling kit and obviously without.

Get a Coil Lift

or

Chop your stock fenders and run a leveling kit.

1 hour of your time to chop these stock fenders up.



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Old 06-25-2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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I have 285/75/16 on mine, different animal being a 2dr though. Before my lift and fenders I'd only rub the rear fenders. Never disconnected front sway until the flat fenders were installed and it would've definitely rubbed the stock front fenders had I disco'd. You already have the leveling kit, should just install it and find out. If you still rub, I'm sure you could find a great deal on some stiffer springs that somebody took off. I know someone on the forum who is about to sell JKUR springs after the lift is installed.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:00 PM   #12
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I thought about doing the fender chop at some point but considering I could never draw a straight line I'm not to confident I won't butcher them. Maybe a beer and pizza project for someone with steadier hands than me.
Goose, that looks like it was a pretty tight fit. I've got more room than that.
I already have JKUR springs though.

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