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Old 03-07-2013, 09:27 AM   #1
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Any performance tricks

Where I live there are no emission controls, or inspections. I can put anything I want on this engine, or modify the exhaust in any way I want. No rules, other than totally obnoxious loud might get me a warning.

Are there any tricks or restrictive things I can remove from a 2013 JKU to help performance or economy? I haven't even received the jeep yet, for example, and already I know that catalytic converter is not going to be around long. When the exhaust system falls apart in two years I'll probably go to stainless and headers.

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you can remove the 3.6 and add a 4bt (or 6bt.) Other than that I'm not to sure with the 3.6s, have you already tried a super chip? with super coming to mind you could add a ripp super charger.

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Where I live there are no emission controls, or inspections. I can put anything I want on this engine, or modify the exhaust in any way I want. No rules, other than totally obnoxious loud might get me a warning.

Are there any tricks or restrictive things I can remove from a 2013 JKU to help performance or economy? I haven't even received the jeep yet, for example, and already I know that catalytic converter is not going to be around long. When the exhaust system falls apart in two years I'll probably go to stainless and headers.
Not much will help. If you remove the cat you will lose some low end torque, backpressure can be a good thing. and what makes you think the exhaust system will fall apart in two years? Mine is like new other than some surface rust after 2 years.

You can do some intake and exhaust mods, but you might net 10-20 hp and maybe around the same torque depending on the set up.

Best option is probably the RIPP supercharger. Or if you plan on getting larger tires a regear, but that will just take it back to stock.

To me its not really worth doing anything other than a supercharger to a Jeep, just wont see the benefit for the money. Jeeps were never meant to be race cars.
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No stock exhaust lasts longer that two years here. And there are no Midas muffler shops to put a nice one on, either. Local welders will do it, and the quality absolutely sucks. I've got a "new" complete exhaust system on one of the Land Rovers that is already rusted out and it was installed last May. No hope. No hope for the converter, either.

If your catalytic converter rusted out and fell apart, would you import a new one from the USA at cost plus international freight plus 36% import duty, when you didn't need a converter in the first place.....if you were me? If I really needed back pressure, perhaps I should find some other way to restrict the exhaust to do it. Seems counter intuitive, though.

So when the stock jeep exhaust rusts and falls apart in two years, I will be ordering up stainless stuff from the US and installing it myself.
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Not much will help. If you remove the cat you will lose some low end torque, backpressure can be a good thing. and what makes you think the exhaust system will fall apart in two years? Mine is like new other than some surface rust after 2 years.
He lives on an island in the Caribbean. So he's probably not exaggerating.
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The exhaust will not fall apart in 2 years. They stopped making it shitty along time ago. Its stainless I think anyway.
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2Gringos, few questions.. why are you on an island? Why the Caribbeans? What made you become an expat? Are you rich or something lol?
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The exhaust will not fall apart in 2 years. They stopped making it shitty along time ago. Its stainless I think anyway.
That would be good news, indeed.

But after looking at the thread with the photos of the rust underneath a new JK....I doubt they would take on the extra cost of stainless exhaust if they don't even bother getting the axles properly painted.

Anyone want to walk over to their new JKU with a magnet and see if it will stick to the exhaust pipe and tell me what happens?
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That would be good news, indeed.

But after looking at the thread with the photos of the rust underneath a new JK....I doubt they would take on the extra cost of stainless exhaust if they don't even bother getting the axles properly painted.

Anyone want to walk over to their new JKU with a magnet and see if it will stick to the exhaust pipe and tell me what happens?
It sticks, but you still haven't answer my questions.
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2Gringos, few questions.. why are you on an island? Why the Caribbeans? What made you become an expat? Are you rich or something lol?
Me, La Gringa Suprema, and Dooley the Demented, February, 2013:



Does that answer most of your questions?


and if the magnet sticks.....it ain't stainless.
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You have answer the questions, but I have no idea what any of the answers mean besides "me".
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I apologize. I get several emails a day from people who have read our blog and who have questions about either visiting or living here. So I guess by the time they write I am assuming they know our little cast of characters.
La Gringa Suprema is my wife. Dooley the Demented is our maniacal Jack Russell Terrier. Dooley the Demented has his own Youtube stuff, mostly about the "Dooley Cam" which is a GoPro camera mounted to the dog, and he has his own Facebook page. If you'd like to look at some of it, go to Youtube and put Dooley the Demented into the search box. A few short videos.

There are tons of these kinds of photos on our blog, and a lot more videos, if you're into the tropical island, diving, sailing, beach combing kind of thing. For an ocean oriented person, the reef here alone is worth the trip.

I lived in the Northeast ( Massachusetts) on and off for almost 30 years. When I got the opportunity for early retirement, we decided that there was no good reason to continue living up there. I'm a water person, and from Texas, and New England was just not for me. I like the warm clear water, sailing, flying, diving, fishing, all that kind of stuff. We have a thousand shipwrecks here, mostly undiscovered. For an old diver like me, this is heaven.

This is a British territory. Language is English. Currency is the US dollar. Voltage is the same as USA. We're a 75 minute flight from Miami (600 miles) or we can sail up through the Bahamas on our bigger boat. This entire little country is only about 28,000 people, a nation less populated than the town I lived in on Cape Cod. yeah, I would rather be here than there.

It does have it's problems and issues. And the cars rusting out every two friggen years is one of the biggest ones.

But damn, son, the sailing is fine.


Did I hit most of your questions?
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I apologize. I get several emails a day from people who have read our blog and who have questions about either visiting or living here. So I guess by the time they write I am assuming they know our little cast of characters.
La Gringa Suprema is my wife. Dooley the Demented is our maniacal Jack Russell Terrier. Dooley the Demented has his own Youtube stuff, mostly about the "Dooley Cam" which is a GoPro camera mounted to the dog, and he has his own Facebook page. If you'd like to look at some of it, go to Youtube and put Dooley the Demented into the search box. A few short videos.

There are tons of these kinds of photos on our blog, and a lot more videos, if you're into the tropical island, diving, sailing, beach combing kind of thing. For an ocean oriented person, the reef here alone is worth the trip.

I lived in the Northeast ( Massachusetts) on and off for almost 30 years. When I got the opportunity for early retirement, we decided that there was no good reason to continue living up there. I'm a water person, and from Texas, and New England was just not for me. I like the warm clear water, sailing, flying, diving, fishing, all that kind of stuff. We have a thousand shipwrecks here, mostly undiscovered. For an old diver like me, this is heaven.

This is a British territory. Language is English. Currency is the US dollar. Voltage is the same as USA. We're a 75 minute flight from Miami (600 miles) or we can sail up through the Bahamas on our bigger boat. This entire little country is only about 28,000 people, a nation less populated than the town I lived in on Cape Cod. yeah, I would rather be here than there.

It does have it's problems and issues. And the cars rusting out every two friggen years is one of the biggest ones.

But damn, son, the sailing is fine.

Did I hit most of your questions?
Please check out our blog if you'd like more info.

and thanks for the jeep help.
Awesome must be nice i am stuck in mass for now anyways lol
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I apologize. I get several emails a day from people who have read our blog and who have questions about either visiting or living here. So I guess by the time they write I am assuming they know our little cast of characters.
La Gringa Suprema is my wife. Dooley the Demented is our maniacal Jack Russell Terrier. Dooley the Demented has his own Youtube stuff, mostly about the "Dooley Cam" which is a GoPro camera mounted to the dog, and he has his own Facebook page. If you'd like to look at some of it, go to Youtube and put Dooley the Demented into the search box. A few short videos.

There are tons of these kinds of photos on our blog, and a lot more videos, if you're into the tropical island, diving, sailing, beach combing kind of thing. For an ocean oriented person, the reef here alone is worth the trip.

I lived in the Northeast ( Massachusetts) on and off for almost 30 years. When I got the opportunity for early retirement, we decided that there was no good reason to continue living up there. I'm a water person, and from Texas, and New England was just not for me. I like the warm clear water, sailing, flying, diving, fishing, all that kind of stuff. We have a thousand shipwrecks here, mostly undiscovered. For an old diver like me, this is heaven.

This is a British territory. Language is English. Currency is the US dollar. Voltage is the same as USA. We're a 75 minute flight from Miami (600 miles) or we can sail up through the Bahamas on our bigger boat. This entire little country is only about 28,000 people, a nation less populated than the town I lived in on Cape Cod. yeah, I would rather be here than there.

It does have it's problems and issues. And the cars rusting out every two friggen years is one of the biggest ones.

But damn, son, the sailing is fine.


Did I hit most of your questions?
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Thanks for explaining, you are very lucky.
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Can't replace the headers on the Pentastar I don't believe. No-go. :/

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Awesome must be nice i am stuck in mass for now anyways lol
I lived in Waltham for two years, then transferred to San Diego two years, then Westford MA for another six years, then Cape Cod for two years, back to Texas for two, then back to Cape Cod for the next fifteen years.

I met a lot of great people in MA and had some good times. I got all that skiing and skating stuff out of my system in the first visit, but it's just not my kind of place. Both my sons were born on Cape Cod and still live there.

I keep remembering all those Septembers, when I would think "NO! Summer CAN'T be over YET!" fortunately I had a job that let me travel anywhere in the world I wanted to go, so I spent a whole lot of time a lot closer to the equator when I could arrange it.


If I had been a pilgrim, I think I would have headed south after the first winter.
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That is awesome. I grew up boating up and down the east coast on a 62' Pacemaker and your story sounds like a great Jimmy Buffet song...;-) Happy for you guys.
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K & N drop in and ss rugged ridge dual exhaust together made the biggest improvement. The posts from the guys who have the aftermarket programers suggest no improvement on the regular gas setting. Exhaust manifolds are cast into the head so no headers needed. When I get the time, I will be removing my lower intake manifold and cleaning up the transitions in the ports from the upper manifold with my dremel. Next would be an electric fan and some weight reduction if I wanted to go faster. For island use, I'd just go with intake , muffler and intake manifold porting for improved efficiency. Any thing more and you'll see diminished returns. Some guys are painting their pipes with grill paint to delay the rust. My 0.02.
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K & N drop in and ss rugged ridge dual exhaust together made the biggest improvement. The posts from the guys who have the aftermarket programers suggest no improvement on the regular gas setting. Exhaust manifolds are cast into the head so no headers needed. When I get the time, I will be removing my lower intake manifold and cleaning up the transitions in the ports from the upper manifold with my dremel. Next would be an electric fan and some weight reduction if I wanted to go faster. For island use, I'd just go with intake , muffler and intake manifold porting for improved efficiency. Any thing more and you'll see diminished returns. Some guys are painting their pipes with grill paint to delay the rust. My 0.02.
Thanks for that info, and it's making sense. Sounding like the weak link in this might be the spot where a stainless exhaust connects to the manifold. Is the exhaust manifold made out of steel?

We broke the exhaust manifold bolts right off a Ford Expedition that was used but only here on the island a year. Rusted through. That combination of steel, heat, and salt is deadly to the steel.

Interesting idea on the grill paint. I'd need to do that like the first day we have it out of undercoating. But I'll be crawling around under there with POR 15 at that point anyhow. Rust here starts immediately. If not sooner.

Some stuff starts rusting just from the immediate sweat that breaks out when it hears that it's being shipped down here.
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VHT coatings


VHT FlameProof™ Coating

also their rust convertor looks interesting

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here's someone who did their exhaust with VHT as well


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Thanks for that info, and it's making sense. Sounding like the weak link in this might be the spot where a stainless exhaust connects to the manifold. Is the exhaust manifold made out of steel?

We broke the exhaust manifold bolts right off a Ford Expedition that was used but only here on the island a year. Rusted through. That combination of steel, heat, and salt is deadly to the steel.

Interesting idea on the grill paint. I'd need to do that like the first day we have it out of undercoating. But I'll be crawling around under there with POR 15 at that point anyhow. Rust here starts immediately. If not sooner.

Some stuff starts rusting just from the immediate sweat that breaks out when it hears that it's being shipped down here.
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No exhaust manifold, just a down pipe with the usual flange. I haven't checked the bolts on mine to see if they are stainless steel but they are probably hardened in some fashion to handle the high heat. I haven't read of any bolt failure. If you wanted to go cat free your custom exhaust would start right off the head/manifold; however the cats do help torque. Most of the gain is from the rear muffler change. I listened to several before choosing the Rugged ridge. It looks similar to the Gibson but is heavier guage stainless or more packing or something because it doesn't have that tinny rattle that the Gibson has. The flowmaster, Magnaflow and MBR systems were all too loud. Loud doesn't equal power just inadequate design.IMHO.
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I apologize. I get several emails a day from people who have read our blog and who have questions about either visiting or living here. So I guess by the time they write I am assuming they know our little cast of characters.
La Gringa Suprema is my wife. Dooley the Demented is our maniacal Jack Russell Terrier. Dooley the Demented has his own Youtube stuff, mostly about the "Dooley Cam" which is a GoPro camera mounted to the dog, and he has his own Facebook page. If you'd like to look at some of it, go to Youtube and put Dooley the Demented into the search box. A few short videos.

There are tons of these kinds of photos on our blog, and a lot more videos, if you're into the tropical island, diving, sailing, beach combing kind of thing. For an ocean oriented person, the reef here alone is worth the trip.

I lived in the Northeast ( Massachusetts) on and off for almost 30 years. When I got the opportunity for early retirement, we decided that there was no good reason to continue living up there. I'm a water person, and from Texas, and New England was just not for me. I like the warm clear water, sailing, flying, diving, fishing, all that kind of stuff. We have a thousand shipwrecks here, mostly undiscovered. For an old diver like me, this is heaven.

This is a British territory. Language is English. Currency is the US dollar. Voltage is the same as USA. We're a 75 minute flight from Miami (600 miles) or we can sail up through the Bahamas on our bigger boat. This entire little country is only about 28,000 people, a nation less populated than the town I lived in on Cape Cod. yeah, I would rather be here than there.

It does have it's problems and issues. And the cars rusting out every two friggen years is one of the biggest ones.

But damn, son, the sailing is fine.

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Interesting story. Gonna check out your blog.
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Swap to some 4:10 gears, it will be your best bet, and I dont see you doing 80MPH often on that island.
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No, max legal speed here is 40 mph. Nobody pays any attention to it and in 8 years I have NEVER seen anyone stopped for anything BUT registration checks. They did buy a radar gun back in '06 but I think the batteries must have died. Haven't seen it in years.

This country has zero stop lights and no breathalyzer. As long as you don't run into anything, you can pretty much drive as you like. The roads will be the limiting factor, on an island 17 miles long by about 2 miles wide. Not all of them are paved. Actually, I doubt if half of them are paved. Maybe a third, probably less. If you have a wreck , the cops will eventually show up. Someone would have to call them. And you'd probably have to wait a while.

I've got some great police stories, but am not going to put them in print while I'm still living here, ha ha. I'll save those for the book.
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I think 4.10 gears would be best also. My wife's 07 came with 4.10 gears instead of whatever the normal gears are and it's a blast. I test drove other models with the normal gears and they were dogs, I was really unimpressed. The 4.10s make the jeep very quick off the line

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