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Old 10-19-2011, 11:26 AM   #31
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Zero regrets here. I waited for a while until the 12's came out and I ordered a bare bones 2dr soft top Sport just like I wanted. Only options I have is the 5 speed auto and the 3.73 gears. Crank windows and no AC, just the way I like it.

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The 4 door and hard top has been my plan all along. And having a tow hitch on my vehicle is also a "must".

The invoice price on the Trailer Tow package is $240...so while overpriced...it isn't "too" bad. But it would be nice knowing what spring rate I was getting up front. Too bad Jeep does not make things that simple.

But I may keep that in mind if I come across a Sahara Tan Sahara Unlimited that has everything I want except a tow package. (I saw one similar to that about a month ago...but it was a LONG ways away).
Depending on the phase of the moon when the Jeep is/was built the tow package may or may not have 3.73 gears, so you may need to add another $45 to that price. And you're still rolling the dice on the springs. One good thing about buying off the lot is that you can check them before you write the check.

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re: "How about specific features?
No nav vs 430 vs 730?
Climate control or not?
Remote start or not?
Certain gearing?
Certain colors? "

Color me geezer/Luddite/curmudgeon
I don't need no steeekin' electronic cluster to entertain me or tell me where I am; between air/heater/windows/top I got all the climate control I need. If I ain't in it I sure don't need it firing up while it's waiting for me to go somewhere. And I ain't quite so decrepit that butt heaters are desirable....yet.

I may be one of the only Jeepers that actually LIKES the stock 18" wheels.

I'm long past enjoying the necessity of high-end music all the time; and the radio is rarely on anyway; road sounds are more entertaining where I live anyway;

Gearing 3.73/auto/LSD is perfect for my use.

Trunk space: hot water heater on way to recycle, in my add-when-needed trunk-a-long:


Colors: While I considered Mango Tango/Rescue Green in the final cut, I suspect my eyes would have gotten tired of them. The exact proper privately owned barely used Khaki/green Sahara showed up just before I signed at the dealer

Still getting used to the odd notion fenders being the same color as the body. Yes, I've come to appreciate a lot of the Sahara features I wouldn't have otherwise ordered. In the 10 months I've owned it, I've nearly doubled the 15000 miles on it at purchase. It was in show room condition and I saved a bundle over what new would have cost.

Few minor mods I've built at home. The stock headlights do totally suck, so figure on finding something that works better for you ASAP.

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Skip the tow package unless you like throwing money away. Just order it with 3.73 gears. The hitch and harness can be had for under $100.

One thing I regret a little bit is not getting half doors. The full doors don't fit inside the 2 door, so if you go somewhere and decide to go doorless you're SOL. Half doors could be stashed in the back when removed.

Well, the tow package does come with more then just a hitch and harness. It also comes with Trailer Sway Damping system that compensates through the braking system any sway problems from towing. That to me is more then worth the cost of the tow package.

I would highly recommend the Tow Package if you plan to tow for the Trailer Sway Damping alone
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:54 AM   #35
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Depending on the phase of the moon when the Jeep is/was built the tow package may or may not have 3.73 gears, so you may need to add another $45 to that price. And you're still rolling the dice on the springs. One good thing about buying off the lot is that you can check them before you write the check.
I'm not sure if I'm going with 3.73's or not.....but you are correct...it would be nice to be able to check the springs first. Of course it would be nicer to know what springs go with what packages up front instead of playing the Chrysler "grab bag" guessing game on gear ratios and spring rates.

I'm sure a lot of people think that the 3.21's are too long to tow with....but I think they will be OK with the new engine. After doing some research, the 2011/12 GC with the same 3.6 and 5 speed auto can tow 5000 pounds. The GC has smaller wheels (30.5") and a wider stance, but is also has a shorter wheelbase (than the Unlimited) and a 3.09 rear axle. (Jeep is sandbagging the Wrangler)

Of course....I now start to wonder if the choice of gear ratio impacts the spring rate.
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:54 AM   #36
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Like someone else, we traded in our 2007 Range Rover Sport, for our 2012 JKU Sport. If I had any regrets they melted away as soon as I took the hardtop off, and took the family for a cruise.

We LOVE our new Jeep!
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:29 PM   #37
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Well, the tow package does come with more then just a hitch and harness. It also comes with Trailer Sway Damping system that compensates through the braking system any sway problems from towing. That to me is more then worth the cost of the tow package.

I would highly recommend the Tow Package if you plan to tow for the Trailer Sway Damping alone
I find it hard to believe that TSD does much of anything when it isn't included in the Max Tow package, only the basic tow package. I suspect ESC gives you most of the benefit available from TSD. A properly loaded and towed trailer won't need this feature anyway.

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I'm not sure if I'm going with 3.73's or not.....but you are correct...it would be nice to be able to check the springs first. Of course it would be nicer to know what springs go with what packages up front instead of playing the Chrysler "grab bag" guessing game on gear ratios and spring rates.

I'm sure a lot of people think that the 3.21's are too long to tow with....but I think they will be OK with the new engine. After doing some research, the 2011/12 GC with the same 3.6 and 5 speed auto can tow 5000 pounds. The GC has smaller wheels (30.5") and a wider stance, but is also has a shorter wheelbase (than the Unlimited) and a 3.09 rear axle. (Jeep is sandbagging the Wrangler)

Of course....I now start to wonder if the choice of gear ratio impacts the spring rate.
I have said many times that I think the limited towing capacity of the Wrangler has more to do with the hitch design than with the powertrain. Even with the new auto trans I would get the 3.73 gears more for driving on intermediate roads than for towing. I think with 3.21s the trans may spend too much time hunting between 4th and 5th gear on the roads we have here. The only AOD vehicle with a gas engine I've driven around here that doesn't is my Lightning, but with 540 ft-lbs of torque available at a fairly low rpm it doesn't need much help from gears.
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Tell me more...

How do you like the leather? How much is vinyl? Can you easily tell the difference? Is is rugged? Sticky?

I wonder if the Wrangler cloth seats are like the Liberty cloth seats...which are EASILY stained by water...yes water. (I have a tan interior).
Been there... done that. I hated the fact that water would stain the seats and the only way to get it out was to steam clean the seats. I got fed up with it, so I put neoprene covers on the cloth.
Only had my '12 since early August... about 800 miles in. So far, the leather seems resilient... but only time will tell. It is not butter soft (ala Lexus), but the leather and vinyl (which is used in non-seating areas) seems thick and well put together. I also notice significant improvements in the seat firmness over the cloth...much improved with leather.
I've had a lot of experience with leather seats and what really kills them is dryness. I condition the leather once a month. I've done this in my past BMW's and when it came time to sell, people were amazed by the good condition of the bolsters.
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I find it hard to believe that TSD does much of anything when it isn't included in the Max Tow package, only the basic tow package. I suspect ESC gives you most of the benefit available from TSD. A properly loaded and towed trailer won't need this feature anyway.



I have said many times that I think the limited towing capacity of the Wrangler has more to do with the hitch design than with the powertrain. Even with the new auto trans I would get the 3.73 gears more for driving on intermediate roads than for towing. I think with 3.21s the trans may spend too much time hunting between 4th and 5th gear on the roads we have here. The only AOD vehicle with a gas engine I've driven around here that doesn't is my Lightning, but with 540 ft-lbs of torque available at a fairly low rpm it doesn't need much help from gears.
Not sure about why it isn't listed in the Max but pretty sure it comes with it, The tow pkg should start with that. And yes it's worth it. Have it.
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Not sure about why it isn't listed in the Max but pretty sure it comes with it, The tow pkg should start with that. And yes it's worth it. Have it.
Those that have ordered Max Tow don't have it on their build sheets. I'll have to wait until next summer to see how the Jeep handles the boat, but I'm sketical that it will be any different than towing it with my truck. We'll see.
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:04 PM   #41
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No regrets. In hindsight the only thing I would have done different is not ordered the Max tow package. As I plan on changing the rear bumper, most of the bumpers I am looking at have integrated hitch.
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Not sure about why it isn't listed in the Max but pretty sure it comes with it, The tow pkg should start with that. And yes it's worth it. Have it.
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Those that have ordered Max Tow don't have it on their build sheets. I'll have to wait until next summer to see how the Jeep handles the boat, but I'm sketical that it will be any different than towing it with my truck. We'll see.
If you look in the owners manual, Trailer Sway is included in all Wranglers. But I do wonder if it is a matter of "turning it on"...or is it more marketing crap and it is already on....
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:32 PM   #44
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I traded in my 04 TJ for a 2011 Sport 2 dr. This is my 6th Jeep and I was worried about going to the new model thinking it might be to sophisticated to be a "real Jeep". I love my new Wranger. I'm 63 and the better ride is great. Mine has Bluetooth, auto, cruise control, and a few more options. I couldn't be happier, I'm a Jeep guy and it is still a Jeep for sure.
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If you go to ---> tread lightly <--- and get the $60 membership it signs you up for an Chrysler AR(associate reward) program. Then there is a $75 max prep fee the dealership can put on top of the 1% below invoice. You can go to www.edmonds.com to get the invoice price. Dealers can choose not to participate in the AR program. It's pretty well know about, but I figured I would throw it out there for anyone new. Do a search and you'll find tons about it. There is also a Costco deal like that.

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The options I feel are a must have for my Sport thus far is the Max tow package,auto trans.,dual tops,limited slip,I'm thinking the infinity 7spkr sound system but I'm not sure I need this or not.
ORDERING DUAL TOPS
If your wanting dual tops I would definitively order the 3-piece hardtop. It would cost you a ton to upgrade later (wiring, new components, instillation, computer upgrade at dealer). Adding a soft top later can be done without much hassle (though not under dealer warranty or financing). It will end up being about the same cost( if you factor in current sale prices) buying a soft top later. There is a good chance you could find a heavy discount on one on craigslist, or you could cherry pick what kind you want later.( trecktop NX, slightly better supertop NX, or different color options)

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It's not a super big issue with the Unlimited, but the sound upgrade adds a sub-woofer in the trunk. This eats into your storage space a pretty good amount on the 2-door. From what I have read it isn't as easy to remove in the 2012's a previous JK's.
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Have no regrets so far...really enjoy the 703, UConnect, Climate Control and Dual Tops. The leather cleans easily and is comfortable.

There is plenty of room inside and in the cargo area. My kids are older and really like it.

There are things that I wish it had, that it does not, but there are no options that I have that I wish I had not gotten.

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I have no regrets (except that I ran over wet paint yesterday!!!). I got the 2012 Sahara JKU. Leather and heated seats were a must for me, so it was either a Sahara or a Rubi and my money tree is starting to look hagard. I got talked into the 730 (that was a must for the husband) and I do love it!! Climate Control too, I like it, but not really sure what the big deal about it is, I could have lived without it. The bluetooth is pretty impressive to me, it is a lot better than my previous vehicle and much clearer even with the top off.
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I will probably get flamed for this but I do have several regrets on the purchase. I bought an 09 two door X two months ago. It is my opinion that Jeeps are typically over priced and mine was in the lower sector of over pricing. Nevertheless, it is ridiculous to pay around $20K for the kind of vehicle that it is. Mid-teens is more where it should be. The fuel mileage is poor (I knew that going in) but I had hoped it would be better. The engine is marginal and the 4X4 shifter broke on the very first try. Chrysler did not have any of the bushings to fix it in stock and it was going to take over a week to get them. I fixed it myself with Autozone parts for a Ford.

I enjoy driving the JK and it will do the things that I want it to do. However, my regrets are that I didn't just keep my car and just buy some beater 4X4 for the desert. My real regret is that I sold the '83 48,000 original mile Ford F150 4X4 from my brother's estate for $1,800 last spring. It had the straight 6 and a 4 speed. Great rust free truck. Oh well.

Regrets aside, my Jeep is a really nice vehicle. It burns too much gas, is underpowered, and is not the best choice for an only vehicle other than my motorcyle.
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I will probably get flamed for this but I do have several regrets on the purchase. I bought an 09 two door X two months ago. It is my opinion that Jeeps are typically over priced and mine was in the lower sector of over pricing. Nevertheless, it is ridiculous to pay around $20K for the kind of vehicle that it is. Mid-teens is more where it should be. The fuel mileage is poor (I knew that going in) but I had hoped it would be better. The engine is marginal and the 4X4 shifter broke on the very first try. Chrysler did not have any of the bushings to fix it in stock and it was going to take over a week to get them. I fixed it myself with Autozone parts for a Ford.

I enjoy driving the JK and it will do the things that I want it to do. However, my regrets are that I didn't just keep my car and just buy some beater 4X4 for the desert. My real regret is that I sold the '83 48,000 original mile Ford F150 4X4 from my brother's estate for $1,800 last spring. It had the straight 6 and a 4 speed. Great rust free truck. Oh well.

Regrets aside, my Jeep is a really nice vehicle. It burns too much gas, is underpowered, and is not the best choice for an only vehicle other than my motorcyle.
I guess it depends on how you will use it. Sorry to hear that.
I need the Jesus engine gets a lot of hype..and I know that 3.21's are basically scorned...but that is exactly why I waited until now to actually buy.

I can live with limited peppiness IF I'm getting decent millage. Of course Chrysler "quality" is always something to worry about....
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Only regret is that I didn't get it in August instead of near the end of Sept.
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My only regret is buying the automatic trans. With a six speed I would not be living this nightmare of a trans.
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Thanks all ( especially Rooster about the TL, tops, and sound system ! )

Can someone explain to me the difference between the 3.21 / 3.73 / 4.10 ? What are the advantages / disadvantages ?

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Thanks all ( especially Rooster about the TL, tops, and sound system ! )

Can someone explain to me the difference between the 3.21 / 3.73 / 4.10 ? What are the advantages / disadvantages ?

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3.21 is worthless IMO but the theory is 3.21 is more for DD and better MPGS. where as 4.10 is more for power because both the 3.8 and 3.6 get most of its power at higher rpms which 3.73 and 4.10 will give you. Not to mention if you plan on getting bigger tires. If your getting a Sport or Sahara you only have 3.21 and 3.73 options while Rubicons have 4.10 only for 07 to 11 models and 3.73 and 4.10 in the 2012 model.
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I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that 3.21 gears have any better mileage than 3.73 or 4.10. It has more to do with how you drive it than anything else. I think the more gear you get the better for most of us.
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I got the 2dr sport. Absolutely no regrets. (Went with aftermarket stereo, don't like any factory systems). One option that I didn't even think about but mine had it was the Anti-Spin option (LSD). Get it if you can. If you get the sport, I liked the S package. And do not get 3.21 gears, make sure to get 3.73 gears.

A 4dr would be nice but I just couldn't do it. I think a 2 dr is more of the Jeep spirit. Sort of like buying a 4 dr Porsche. Not saying that a 4dr isn't a great Jeep because it is, but I like the pureness of a 2dr. That is also why I don't like the Sahara with it's painted fenders and top. Not to mention how easy it is to scratch the top when removing it and trail rash that will happen on the fenders if you offroad at all. Just think the Sahara is just too pretty to be a Jeep even though it is just as capable.

Saying that, it is what you need and what you like that matters. If you want one thing and buy another, then that is were regret comes in. Go test drive several models and find the one you like. If you don't fall in love with your Jeep the minute you drive it then it probably isn't the one you want.
Excellent post, i feel the same way about the 2dr, it is much closer to my old 56 Willys CJ-5. The only regret I have? Not buying one sooner! The only creature comfort I really couldn't live without was the Sirius Sat Radio, the rest, well it is a Jeep.
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I wish I had found this forum before I bought mine. Your very lucky.

I bought a 2011 Sahara Tan Sport "S" hardtop. I love it. 6spd. 3.8L. I have Sat radio, not into Navs and the like. I have heated mirrors (a must) (not sure if they are in the "S" group.

I had my dealer install MOPAR sidesteps and 2" receiver hitch w/4 pin harness.

I've added MOPAR tail light guards, Aux lights, IPF 968's on the front bumper and lesser Aux lights at the windshield. I added grap straps in front so my wife can hang on, MOPAR Fuel Door, door sill guards and inserts for the front grill and now the door handle guards.
Basically Black Bling.

Heres what I wish I had done. I sort of wish I had 3.73 gears.....the 3.21's are ok, but the 3.73's would have been a tad better if I ever got a heavier boat.

I wish I had an LSD. THAT I realy do wish I had.

I don't think I would make any other changes......I love the vehicle. I never owned one before, this was my 65th BD gift to myself. My previous ride was a 2004 Frontier 4X Crew Cab w/Supercharger and short bed.

This is a better vehicle and delivers far better milage on 87 Shell! In short its cheaper to run by far. Good Luck (sorry so long winded)
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Awesome thread!

Rooster: Are you saying GET the 7 speaker sound system if you can live without the trunk space? or DO NOT get the 7 sub because its not worth the price based on sound quality ?

I have been reading a lot about LSD, what benefits would that have over not getting LSD?

and 3.21 is better for gas milage on a 2dr daily driver, no towing ?

Also, would getting the flame red make the jeep faster? because my flame red sunfire is way faster then my gfs white sunfire...
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