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Old 04-21-2013, 08:53 AM   #31
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I think my wrangler is more of a sports car then most sports cars when you bo it down.
True convertible.... check.
Gearing option..... check.
Limited slip...... check.
Manual trans.... check.
Fun to drive..... check.
Great acceleration. ... check.
Great handling... ok not so much.......

But you get the point. About the only true "sports car" left is a Miata. Then if you tack on much more money the next is a Corvette. Not that a wrangler IS a sports car its just poking fun at how compromised sports cars have become. I mean you can't even option an LSD on a BMW anymore. Havent for years.

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Old 04-21-2013, 09:30 AM   #32
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I "grew up" driving manuals so I always get manual if available. I drive as DD including occasional trafficand I love my MT. I tow a 4x8 utility trailer for Home Depot runs, no issues. Backing up the trailer is a little more difficult because you're working clutch, brake, steering, and trying to watch the trailer. But practice makes perfect.

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Old 04-21-2013, 09:40 AM   #33
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Go with your gut and don't over analyze it. The only thing I'd mention is dont buy a stick for your ego....some believe it is less cool, I say don't be a follower..just get which ever suits you more..it's like buying shoes and asking someone about else how they feel...the only one that matters is you. I've always driven manuals but my current JK is an auto and I don't miss the stick for a DD. I would not mind have a an old CJ with a stick though.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:47 AM   #34
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Personally, I believe there are two cars on this earth that shouldn't even be made in an automatic, Wranglers and Corvettes. But Jeep and Chevy didn't ask me. Oh well.
I agree with you on this.

I also agree with your sig, I am also an NRA member.
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Old 04-21-2013, 12:42 PM   #35
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Personally, I believe there are two cars on this earth that shouldn't even be made in an automatic, Wranglers and Corvettes. But Jeep and Chevy didn't ask me. Oh well.

We disagree on everything

Wranglers can have autos, chevys arent worth driving, and the nra can...

I have a 6sp and like it,
BUT if I ever build a dedicated off-road jeep it will be auto
AND if you have a commute, the jeep has a heavy clutch and that gets old fast.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:16 PM   #36
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Personally, I believe there are two cars on this earth that shouldn't even be made in an automatic, Wranglers and Corvettes. But Jeep and Chevy didn't ask me. Oh well.
My JK has a 6 speed in it for now but it will get a built 4L60e with a manual valve body when I drop a 6.0 in it. Does that mean that it will be less of a jeep aftewards?
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:26 PM   #37
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'12 JK Sport 6 speed. Most of my vehicle have been stick except for my last; 2005 MB SLK 350 clutchless 6 speed. I use for DD in DC area - traffic sucks; however, if you learn to your clutch and gears you don't have to break and shift that often.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:48 PM   #38
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You can throw it in reverse or first, get going and start hitting the brake, slowing it down to amlost nil and it will not stall until almost at a dead stop. It seems to increase the throttle automatically to keep you going. Fun! give er a try.
x2 love my manual.
In 1st, 4low, it is soooo slow,
that I can get out and walk away from it.
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Old 04-21-2013, 03:53 PM   #39
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My JK has a 6 speed in it for now but it will get a built 4L60e with a manual valve body when I drop a 6.0 in it. Does that mean that it will be less of a jeep aftewards?
Uh, its going to have a Chevy engine and trans in it... Is this a trick question?
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:11 AM   #40
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Thanks for your feedback. My heart says manual.
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Old 04-22-2013, 07:59 PM   #41
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I agree with Mark, a proud NRA member.Jeeps should ALL be sticks IMO.
Seems like a traitor act to run a jeep with an auto.
If I wasn't such a weenie, I'd dump the A/C too! As it is I stripped out all the power options except air and radio/cruise control.
Manuals ROCK! AND simple and waaay cheper to fix!
Chrysler automatics suck bigtime anyway!
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Mine keeps me alert in traffic, and if you dont tailgate in traffic then you wont have to stop all the time. As far as the "Long Throw" you're not drivin' a '70 chevelle LS6 w/ a 4 speed, you're drivin' a Jeep!!! And if you learn to not use the clutch, you'll save on that too.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:20 PM   #43
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I agree. The six speed would be awesome but some how I let my wife talk me into getting an auto. I don't regret it cause I love my Jeep! But a 6 speed will be the next one I get
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Mine keeps me alert in traffic, and if you dont tailgate in traffic then you wont have to stop all the time. As far as the "Long Throw" you're not drivin' a '70 chevelle LS6 w/ a 4 speed, you're drivin' a Jeep!!! And if you learn to not use the clutch, you'll save on that too.
If you drive in LA traffic and leave enough room where you don't have to stop everyone will pull in front of you to ensure you have to stop.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:47 PM   #46
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Yeah its pretty much the same in CT also, but being a truck driver its just instinct. I'll just go slower, LOL
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My new JKU is stripped down to only the AC,AM/FM Cd radio, and cruise control. But I do have an automatic because driving a stick in Southern California traffic sucks ass. Everyone freaks when they find out I have manual door locks and windows, and no keyless entry. That shit adds weight and breaks in the middle of the desert or on top of a mountain in the rain and snow.
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I towed a trailer thru NYC traffic last Friday. It was bad but an automatic wouldn't make it any better. I love my 6speed
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:53 AM   #49
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And if you learn to not use the clutch, you'll save on that too.
I recently posted about clutchless shifting. I was just introduced to it. A lot of people seemed to think I would be doing all sorts of tranny damage, but I never hear any grinding when I do it. Any thoughts?

That being said, I am glad I bought the stick. One of the big reasons that really sold it for me was that I have two boys that will be learning to drive in the next couple of years, and they will learn to drive a stick before I let them near an automatic.
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I recently posted about clutchless shifting. I was just introduced to it. A lot of people seemed to think I would be doing all sorts of tranny damage, but I never hear any grinding when I do it. Any thoughts?
I used to do it every once in a while on my Audi but I'd never do it on the jeep. It's not good for the synchros or the gears themselves. Most of the wear on a clutch comes from starting in first gear and reverse. Shifting puts almost no wear on it, unless you're accelerating thru the shift, which frankly, is wrong and uncomfortable to passengers. So what are you saving by not using the clutch? Probably adding 500ish miles to your clutches life but possibly taking life out of your transmission. There is a shop by me who said they could put a new clutch in for $600. I don't need one but I was curious since the audis was $1200. Clutch less shifting is kinda cool when you do it but definitely pointless.
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I struggle with driving my 6-speed manual on some of the aggressive trails. I often stall out when trying to attack steep hills. Most of my off roading is done in mud so I don't run into that problem too often. I do love being able to drop the clutch and throw mud on who ever is behind me. I sometime forget to shift when I turn the volume on my stereo up. I normally shift by listen to the sound of the engine.
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I struggle with driving my 6-speed manual on some of the aggressive trails. I often stall out when trying to attack steep hills. Most of my off roading is done in mud so I don't run into that problem too often. I do love being able to drop the clutch and throw mud on who ever is behind me. I sometime forget to shift when I turn the volume on my stereo up. I normally shift by listen to the sound of the engine.
You need to use 4low off road. Well you don't need to but it'll save your clutch. And in first gear it really can't stall. That would save you. If you really have to go fast go to 6th gear. You can hit 25 in that gear. You can start in 2nd or 3rd if you don't need such a low gear. Your call but it'll save your clutch
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I stay in 4H until there is something I know may be trouble then 4L. gets engaged. For most dirt trails 4h is fine. Rutted out trail with hills and steep descents 4L. It is very hard to stall. Just remember to turn TCS OFF! Its always on unless you turn it off in 4H. If you cycle the key you wi have to do it again. If you go from 4H to 4L it shuts off automatically but is back on once you go back into 4H. BLD is always working regardless so let it spin a little and it will kick in and pull you over/up whatever
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You need to use 4low off road. Well you don't need to but it'll save your clutch. And in first gear it really can't stall. That would save you. If you really have to go fast go to 6th gear. You can hit 25 in that gear. You can start in 2nd or 3rd if you don't need such a low gear. Your call but it'll save your clutch
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For me, 4H is something I use in snowy weather.

Offroad, it's pretty much 4L only. I can just up shift if I want less gear--2nd and 3rd get used for what normally would have used 1st and 2nd. But it allows me to downshift into first and have lots of crawl power with no excess clutch wear and makes it very tough to stall.

For a manual trans, I say 4L offroad.
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. And in first gear it really can't stall. That would save you.
Ohh yeah they will. My jeep is geared as low as you can get with the D44's and I still manage to stall it.
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Ohh yeah they will. My jeep is geared as low as you can get with the D44's and I still manage to stall it.
You stall in 4low and 1st gear with your 5.38's? I was almost positive it had a feature to keep the revs from stalling in first gear. Obv if you stop it with brakes or a large obstacle it can stall but I thought it pretty much maintains idle on anything shy of hardcore
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Well the brakes won't stall it and I am not exactly on the bunny trails when I manage to stall it out.
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Well the brakes won't stall it and I am not exactly on the bunny trails when I manage to stall it out.
Lol based on your pictures that's what I was thinking
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I love my manual. Most of my cars have been stick, and the only autos I have owned was because my EX wife complained she didn't want a manual. That's why she's an ex. lol.
I will say this, though. Manuals are fun as heck, unless you live in So Cal and have to drive on the 405 around rush hour. Then, you'll want an auto. There's more of a learning curve when off-roading with a stick vs auto. I think it'd be easier to do heavy duty rock-crawling with an auto, but for just mudding in Florida or running some BLM managed dirt roads out in Utah, you're just fine with the manual. I'm sure there are some hardcore Maob Hell's Revenge/Cliffhanger guys that run a manual, but I think that'd take years of practice before mastering without frying a clutch all the time. I'm just not that proficient at 4-wheeling just yet.
I have towed a large boat with an old manual F150 I had, and it's fine and dandy until you hit a steep ramp and are trying to recover the boat. That's when I wanted an auto. But if you're towing a trailer or even a small popup, a manual won't give you any more grief than an auto. If you're gonna tow an 18' boat, get the auto for sure.
Manual is just more of a fun driving experience.
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