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Old 03-06-2012, 08:19 AM   #1
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Any tailgate issues?

I have heard alot of "i would not do that" type opinions...What i am looking for is people that have had tailgate issues on the JK due to after market spare tire weight...I have 285/75/16 duratracs on ATX Artillery wheel...Approx 84lb total weight. I have seen several people with larger/heavier tire/wheel combos on several jeeps that did not appear to have any issues. I know it also depends on offroad use. With all this in mind, any intel? Thanks

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Those "I would not do that" opinions are based on what has happened to others. The weak part are the welds on the gate. They become stressed over time. If you have a bigger, heavier tire go with a swing out carrier for peace of mind. Otherwise when the issues occur it's too late, but at least we will have you as an example for the next person, just sayin'.

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i'm in the same boat.... just planning on the rear bumper and tire carrier as the next investment. i'm now running a 315/75r16 on the tailgate. My scale says its 85 pounds.

in the meantime, i'm looking at this:
Smittybilt 2743 - Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier in Black for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

kbwwolf is running one now and he seems happy with this in the interim. i'm sure others are going to chime in. i would recommend if you're going to do any moderate or hard offroading... take the spare off and put it inside your JK.

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Old 03-06-2012, 08:41 AM   #4
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i'm in the same boat.... just planning on the rear bumper and tire carrier as the next investment. i'm now running a 315/75r16 on the tailgate. My scale says its 85 pounds.

in the meantime, i'm looking at this:
Smittybilt 2743 - Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier in Black for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

kbwwolf is running one now and he seems happy with this in the interim. i'm sure others are going to chime in. i would recommend if you're going to do any moderate or hard offroading... take the spare off and put it inside your JK.

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I bought the Smittybilt as a temporary solution. Used with the Daystar bump stops, and with the tire snugged up nice and tight, it's worked well so far.

However, I don't have confidence that it would last over time, especially with the extra stress of wheeling. In the next month or so I plan on installing an OR-FAB tire carrier.

OR-FAB 85208BB - OR-FAB Swing-A-Way Tire Carrier for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

As daggo pointed out, once you realize there's a problem with the tailgate, it's probably too late.

I'm running 315/75R16 DuraTracs on 16x8 ATX Teflon wheels. Very light, but still...
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My setup rings in at 86lbs according to UPS. I have a feeling that is a bit high, but probably pretty close. My spare doesn't budge even a millimeter with the Daystar bumpstops. Still, I'm sure it is putting stress on the gate and I do plan to move to something else eventually. I really like the new Teraflex holder (due out in April), but I believe the cost is a bit much for what it is.
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thanks wolf! it's the next investment (bumper + tire carrier) for me... somedays i wished money grew on trees... on off my JK

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Old 03-06-2012, 08:53 AM   #7
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Yeah, iam running bumpstops and i also have ATX teflon 16X9s...This is just an interim solution until my money tree buds...Gotta love how one mod leads to another.
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This is just an interim solution until my money tree buds...Gotta love how one mod leads to another.
ain't that the truth!
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Old 03-06-2012, 08:58 AM   #9
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this jeep has a 40 inch tire on the factory tire carrier. no issues yet, and its been on there for some time now and he wheel the crap outta his jeep.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:05 AM   #10
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Green Machine, this is exactly what iam talking about...I see rigs like this all the time (i wheel with some that do this). I am obviously not thinking it is a great idea, however, i dont know of anyone that actually has had issues...You can see from the thread above there are people that doesnt think its a good idea, however, i look forward to see how many people chime in on this thread that have dealt with problems. I think this is a fair question since the alternative is over $1000.00.
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Oh yeah, i forgot to , mention the obvious "40's DAMNNNNN"
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Oh yeah, i forgot to , mention the obvious "40's DAMNNNNN"
oh the scary part,,,,,, thats a locked D-30 up front,,, with no issues.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:43 AM   #13
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I am in the same boat with my 35's. Fine so far but I don't want to have issues with my gate over time. As soon as I get back from Moab next week I am starting fabrication on my bumper/tire carrier. I considered the AEV swing away carrier and just use it with the OEM bumper, however, I decided to take it to the next level and fab my own.

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Old 03-06-2012, 09:45 AM   #14
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I have heard that the factory spec for weight on the tailgate carrier is 75lbs. Can anyone verify that?
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I have heard that the factory spec for weight on the tailgate carrier is 75lbs. Can anyone verify that?
Actually, I believe the owners manual states that it isn't supposed to support more than 50 lbs. Which kills me considering all of the stock 17"+ setups weigh more than that. Lol.
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My 33.6" Hankooks have been carried on the stock gate sparetire mount, for over two years/w NO GATE TRAUMA !



I provide a little rear bumper, "Spare tire vertical deflection modifier"-but everybodys seen that, it's in the "Cheap mods" thread !

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Jimbo, have you weighed your spare?
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-YUP, it's been a couple years, but the Hankooks aren't to heavy and the Procomps weigh close to the stock "MOAB" wheels, so


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They weigh'd 83 lbs, now remember thats without TPMS units and/w rubber valve stems (chrome caps)-

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Old 03-06-2012, 10:20 AM   #19
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yep, this goes right in-line with what i have seen/experienced...It would appear that the tailgate is as bad ass as the rest of the vehicle.
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yep, this goes right in-line with what i have seen/experienced...It would appear that the tailgate is as bad ass as the rest of the vehicle.
Maybe, maybe not. Keep in mind that I have seen reports of the stock Rubi wheel/tire wrecking the welds with heavy wheeling. So very YMMV.
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4fit, thats what i am saying...all i have heard is people reading reports or simply saying its not a good idea...Havent heard one person say its happened to me...And you figure we have alot of jeep owners on here as well as who ive talked to in jeep clubs...Again, i am not saying its a great idea or a permanent solution, but, i havent seen any REAL evidence that indicates it will hurt in the interim.
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---google "JK/JKU Tailgate damage"--


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4fit, thats what i am saying...all i have heard is people reading reports or simply saying its not a good idea...Havent heard one person say its happened to me...And you figure we have alot of jeep owners on here as well as who ive talked to in jeep clubs...Again, i am not saying its a great idea or a permanent solution, but, i havent seen any REAL evidence that indicates it will hurt in the interim.
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I weighed one of my Hankooks mounted and its just shy of 95lbs on an Aluminum wheel.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:02 AM   #24
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Already did...Same thing... specualtion, conjecture, plenty of "I Heards", or "I reads"...Not looking for a debate, just any first hand, "it happened to me" knowledge.
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4fit, thats what i am saying...all i have heard is people reading reports or simply saying its not a good idea...Havent heard one person say its happened to me...And you figure we have alot of jeep owners on here as well as who ive talked to in jeep clubs...Again, i am not saying its a great idea or a permanent solution, but, i havent seen any REAL evidence that indicates it will hurt in the interim.
Oh, there is definitely evidence out there. Lots of it actually. Just have to look for it.

The Rescue Green JK was running 315/75/16s. Pull the spot welds right through.
The black one was running a 295/70/18. Same thing.
The owner of the Steel Blue one noticed his spots welds separating, so he put in self tapping sheet metal screws to stop it from pulling all the way though.



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This bumper/carrier is what I plan on going with.ACE JK Rear Bumper with Tire Carrier

At $685.00 the price is excellent for a full bumper and swing out tire carrier. I currently have a 35" BFG MT and MT classic lock wheen in 17 on the stock carrier and so far have not noticed any issues.
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/w rubber valve stems (chrome caps)-

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This bumper/carrier is what I plan on going with.ACE JK Rear Bumper with Tire Carrier

At $685.00 the price is excellent for a full bumper and swing out tire carrier. I currently have a 35" BFG MT and MT classic lock wheen in 17 on the stock carrier and so far have not noticed any issues.
you can't beat there price! definitely giving me something to mull over... for some stupid reason... i'm stuck on the AEV rear bumper and tire carrier... i wish they weren't so much freaking money!

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you can't beat there price! definitely giving me something to mull over... for some stupid reason... i'm stuck on the AEV rear bumper and tire carrier... i wish they weren't so much freaking money!

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Theres so many options out there, it still amazes me the prices havent gone down, I liked the rear bumper from Ace already, then I heard they were coming out with a carrier, my mind is pretty much made up, now comes the wait for the money to show up.
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I can see where with all of the competition as far as companies producing carriers/bumpers we would expect the prices to come down, however, after building a few bumpers for myself and friends there is a lot of time involved and materials are not cheap.

Granted I don't have all of the CNC lazer, plasma or water jet cutting tables which definately reduce the time involved but those pieces of equipment are expensive and the return on investment is not quick.

I cut everything old school by either bandsaw or hand cut with plasma and it is time consuming. If I added up the time involved in the last couple that I have built and tacked a wage to it then it would have probably been cheaper to purchase rather than build.

I just like to have something a little different than everything else out there is the main reasoning.

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