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Old 01-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #31
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The hardest part is the slow rev, but once you get used to it, you just give it gas a split second than you might otherwise.

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Old 01-13-2013, 04:26 PM   #32
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Never a problem here.

The only odd thing at first was getting used to the light clutch pedal - my '07 GT500 is like setting a bear trap by comparison.

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Old 01-13-2013, 04:31 PM   #33
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I did complain about the manual before..

I now love manual all over again.. Treat second just like first and rest is easy as pie.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:01 PM   #34
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Seems like you have to push a little to the right when shifting from 5th into 6th. Not straight up and down.

To me too, it seems like going to 6th it's about .050" to the right from 5th.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:21 PM   #35
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so do most people start in second? my limited time with 2012 jk sport shows starting in 2nd is smooth but i was always taught not to
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:28 PM   #36
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Yes! It should be to the left of 1st and 2nd. I found out the hard way there's no lockout for reverse when I was trying to go from 5th to 6th and it went to reverse...hahaha. SCRATCH!
Wow! I always worry about that. I think I'd need a change of drawers if I did that. I always find it easy to go from 5 to 4 if you're not paying attention and pushing to the right a bit for 6. My first standard so I don't know any different.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:45 PM   #37
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so do most people start in second? my limited time with 2012 jk sport shows starting in 2nd is smooth but i was always taught not to
No but the technique should be the same, rest of the gears are are easy to get smooth with the clutch.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:32 PM   #38
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Wow! I always worry about that. I think I'd need a change of drawers if I did that. I always find it easy to go from 5 to 4 if you're not paying attention and pushing to the right a bit for 6. My first standard so I don't know any different.
I scratched a gear today for the first time since puberty. I think Jeep should give a free roof sign like the pizza delivery drivers have "Caution Student Driver". I shut off the Hill assist and am starting off in second.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:49 PM   #39
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Wow! I always worry about that. I think I'd need a change of drawers if I did that. I always find it easy to go from 5 to 4 if you're not paying attention and pushing to the right a bit for 6. My first standard so I don't know any different.
It' not actually going to go into reverse but you're going to scratch the gear. From 5th to 6th doesn't feel the same as the other gears as you have to not come straight down but kind of put some angle on it.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:53 PM   #40
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2013 JKR with 4.10s and couldn't be happier with my 6 speeds. I love how gentle and easy going my clutch is

You probably need to practice som' moe'
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:54 PM   #41
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Getting better. Need to look up that hill lock disconnect feature though. With a perfectly good parking brake I wonder why that was important of an option.
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:45 AM   #42
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I feel the same. The throttle is wired funny. It takes time, but I guess one gets used to it.. I still kill it once in a while, but it's gotten much better.. The bit someone said about giving the throttle a split second early is true - you _can_ shift like drag racing if you do that right.

The other thing is, going 5th to 6th is easy if you do the shifting in two steps instead of one. And the reverse detent spring is much stronger than the 6th so that so far I've not put her in reverse yet when I wanted to go to 6th. But I've absentmindedly shifted once and gotten her in 6th when I wanted revers - obviously that killed it.

I'd say I feel sorry for people that have the jeep and another manual (or more) that they have to switch between often.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:18 AM   #43
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True-dat. I have a Subaru to sell, and flipping is getting awkward. I think the general consensus is accurate that the throttle is the issue. Since the Jeep learns our style I wonder if it gets easier...
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:42 AM   #44
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It took me about 1000 miles and turning off the hill assist but I love it now. It was tough when I still had my TJ and I'd go back and forth. Very different and I'd have to relearn the JK each time. I don't even think about it anymore after 2200 miles.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:51 AM   #45
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The trick to sixth is to start by pushing slightly to the right and then straight down. I hit the gate all the time until I figured that out. LOL. Having driven mostly five speeds though before this I still, after 10K miles, find myself forgetting to put it in sixth. Too many gears. Otherwise it shifts like a truck, no big deal. If you want something that shifts like a car, buy a car. I'll be going back to an auto on my next Wrangler regardless. These days I find that I get tired of shifting more often than I enjoy shifting. Each their own right.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:07 AM   #46
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I was having a lot of issues with my 13 and the clutch being a PIDA. HSA is really hard for me to use it stalls the Jeep all the time because it holds the thing too long. So I disabled it last night, and its great!
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:23 AM   #47
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FOLKS! save your gears and your clean garments...

WHEN SWITCHING FROM 5th into 6th [and vica versa!]
-push the gear shifter towards the passenger side of the gate and pull straight back [or push straight forward]

it sounds like a load of BS but definately works
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:41 AM   #48
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My technique is straight down from 5th, then a slight dog leg to the right as I pass through neutral, then down.

Works every time.
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:00 PM   #49
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Since turning HSA off, it is a lot more enjoyable. As stated, go slightly to the right from 5th to get to 6th with little to no effort. I will only start in 2nd gear if on a slight decline. I don't mind first with 3.73's.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:10 PM   #50
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Is it just me, or am I getting uncoordinated by age that after a lifetime of manuals this jku is tricky. What gives?

seems ok after getting a little time on it.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:38 PM   #51
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Well, I sure agree with most of what has been said, including the S2000 being the "best 6 speed shifter I ever owned also." I have owned over 40 vehicles with manuals and this is the clunkiest shift movement of them all. Guess I'll turn off the hill assist, which is also not very good or effective. My '09 WRX had a great hill assist. This one is a joke. Now, with all that said, I do love my Jeep regardless.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:55 AM   #52
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It seems that most are comparing the shift feel to cars... sports cars, or sports sedans... It's a Jeep. It will never, ever, ever feel like a car going through the gears.

If you rev a little higher before shifting (2500 - 3000), especially in 1-2 gears it does smooth out quite a bit. Trouble finding gears? Please. Get your big boy pants on, and drive it.

Where the gears line up... the fly-by-wire throttle... I have no idea what you're complaining about. The technology is hardly cutting edge, and it works just fine. You just need to adapt your driving style to the Jeep. Once you do that, you'll be much happier, and the Jeep will be much happier with you!

The main reason I bought a manual transmission is to feel connected to the driving process.. and consequently connected to my Jeep. It's an emotional thing for me, it guards against becoming complacent about driving. I'm not bashing auto's by any means... I'm just not looking for an "easy" driving experience.

When I do, I'll hop in the wife's car.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:12 AM   #53
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I know how to drive. No issues at all.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:12 AM   #54
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2013 2dr Sport, I had every intention of going with the 6 speed but they lost me on the 1st to 2nd gear shift. I found it difficult to judge rpm on take off and then it wound up too fast for a smooth shift to 2nd. I even tried starting out in 2nd to see if 1st was a granny gear or something. I know it would eventually become 2nd nature but I went with the automatic because at 66, sometimes I like to drive lazy.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:28 AM   #55
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Wow, I see a lot of guys raving over the "miraculous" trick of shifting a little to the right before going down to 6th.. And I go WTF!
Do you guys shift in one single action, or do you do two step? I was always taught to shift two step, get it out of the initial gear and into neutral as the first motion, and then get it to the destination gear as the second motion. I was told this is the right way to do it, and is healthier for your gearbox. What am I missing?

If you do it two step, obviously when you disengage 5th, you end up in neutral.
So to go to 6th you have to move the stick right until you feel the reverse detent spring stop you, and then go down.

I thought that was "elementary my dear watson" and I'm surprised folks see that as "miraculous revelation"!
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Wow, I see a lot of guys raving over the "miraculous" trick of shifting a little to the right before going down to 6th.. And I go WTF!
Do you guys shift in one single action, or do you do two step? I was always taught to shift two step, get it out of the initial gear and into neutral as the first motion, and then get it to the destination gear as the second motion. I was told this is the right way to do it, and is healthier for your gearbox. What am I missing?

If you do it two step, obviously when you disengage 5th, you end up in neutral.
So to go to 6th you have to move the stick right until you feel the reverse detent spring stop you, and then go down.

I thought that was "elementary my dear watson" and I'm surprised folks see that as "miraculous revelation"!
Have you ever driven anything fast or tracked a car? Maybe a drag race if not a road course? If you were to shift to neutral between every shift you'd lose time and speed. Not to mention it would make something like rev matching and heel toe shifting nearly impossible. And once the transmission is out of gear, it's in nuetral. It doesn't have to be smack dab in the middle of the shifting pattern to be in nuetral.
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I've never driven a Wrangler stick...but it seems like it would be tricky. I've heard about the high clutch position (which would be annoying, but something you could get used to), but the throttle by wire would seem like a total hassle. I don't even like it on the auto. 1st two inches of peddle...nothing. The next 1/4th of an inch...30% power.
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When I say just go to the right after 5th, I am just assuming you drop down to N then up to the right for 6th. I wouldn't call it a 2 step process, as it should be 1 fluid motion. I have never felt like I could end up in reverse.
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I think VW has the best 6 speed setup as far as shift patterns go. Their reverse is left and up from first, but in order to engage it, you have to press down on the shifter so it will pass through the gate.
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Have you ever driven anything fast or tracked a car? Maybe a drag race if not a road course? If you were to shift to neutral between every shift you'd lose time and speed. Not to mention it would make something like rev matching and heel toe shifting nearly impossible. And once the transmission is out of gear, it's in nuetral. It doesn't have to be smack dab in the middle of the shifting pattern to be in nuetral.
Ha ha, nowhere did I mention you should sit in neutral for half an hour.

All I said was to do it as a two step motion. You can do the two step motion as fast as you want.

Edit: tell me again how does rev-matching and heel-toe-technique not work with a two step shifting motion?

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