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Old 01-15-2013, 01:41 PM   #61
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Like everything else, we learn by practice....i've gotten the shifts down, the Jeep is much more enjoyable now, just realize what you did wrong after every jerky shift or bogged launch and correct it next time...5th to 6th is also a breeze now, just give it slight pressure to the right side and it'll engage...

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Ha ha, nowhere did I mention you should sit in neutral for half an hour.

All I said was to do it as a two step motion. You can do the two step motion as fast as you want.

Two step? Never done it that way. So you pause in neutral before going into the next gear. I've always shifted in a straight smooth motion as quickly as I can. Why lollygag around in neutral?

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Two step? Never done it that way. So you pause in neutral before going into the next gear. I've always shifted in a straight smooth motion as quickly as I can. Why lollygag around in neutral?
Try it, you might like it better. For me I like it much better than yanking the stick from one gear to the next. And you can be as fast as anyone else who drives a stick.. that it is slow is a myth.
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I drove a 2012 Rubi with the six speed manual Made my decision to buy the automatic Sahara it was up against an easy one. specially with all of the start and stop nonsense driving we have in this town. I have driven my 93 yj with the 4.0 and 5 speed manual for years and the new one made me look like a teenager driving clutch for the first time. never could get it into 6th gear on the interstate either. it was not for me.
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When I had my JKU w/3.21's, despite driving manuals for over 10 years I stalled it probably 50 times. Maybe 10 on the streets and the other 40 offroad. 5th and 6th were a hassle as if a slight 4mph head wind was blowing 6th gear was useless unless I was going 75. 3.21's were soooooooooooo bad it was ridiculous. Now I have 4.10's in a JK and it's night and day.
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:40 PM   #66
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Try it, you might like it better. For me I like it much better than yanking the stick from one gear to the next. And you can be as fast as anyone else who drives a stick.. that it is slow is a myth.
Pausing inherently slows you down.
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Try it, you might like it better. For me I like it much better than yanking the stick from one gear to the next. And you can be as fast as anyone else who drives a stick.. that it is slow is a myth.
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Pausing inherently slows you down.
Mathew85, I agree with your description of a "2 step" shift... but I think what you're describing is just more of a deliberate motion from the gear-to-neutral-to-gear. Not necessarily slow... but it sures as hell isn't quick. We don't really pause at neutral, but you definitely feel it go through... much more than a car with shift throws about 1/3 of what a Jeep shift throw is.

Six- You are correct, it does slow you down...it'll never be as quick as a car that's designed to zip around in stop-n-go driving. Jeeps were not designed with that as a performance benchmark. Surely, most drivers who are heavy in stop-n-go DD situations would probably choose an auto anyway. So it's an apples to oranges comparison of vehicles, hell it's apples to nuts comparison!

One of the real draws for Jeep owners (IMHO), is the less-refined aspect of Jeeps. It's the very essence of what differentiates a Jeep from the rest of the automotive world. I've owned many cars/trucks/SUV's that are much easier to drive, shift, steer, haul, but none looked as cool, felt as cool, and IS as cool to own as my Jeep.

I LIKE the way they shift. Sack up guys.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:26 PM   #68
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That would be the "D" position on the indicator? Never had a problem.
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:12 PM   #69
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Mathew85, I agree with your description of a "2 step" shift... but I think what you're describing is just more of a deliberate motion from the gear-to-neutral-to-gear. Not necessarily slow... but it sures as hell isn't quick. We don't really pause at neutral, but you definitely feel it go through... much more than a car with shift throws about 1/3 of what a Jeep shift throw is.

Six- You are correct, it does slow you down...it'll never be as quick as a car that's designed to zip around in stop-n-go driving. Jeeps were not designed with that as a performance benchmark. Surely, most drivers who are heavy in stop-n-go DD situations would probably choose an auto anyway. So it's an apples to oranges comparison of vehicles, hell it's apples to nuts comparison!

One of the real draws for Jeep owners (IMHO), is the less-refined aspect of Jeeps. It's the very essence of what differentiates a Jeep from the rest of the automotive world. I've owned many cars/trucks/SUV's that are much easier to drive, shift, steer, haul, but none looked as cool, felt as cool, and IS as cool to own as my Jeep.

I LIKE the way they shift. Sack up guys.
Agree with you. I should have said instead of one steady application of force, you do a first application of force to disengage the previous gear and a second application of force to engage the new gear. My bad in not clearly expressing what I was trying to say..

And totally agree with you on the less refined aspect
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One of the real draws for Jeep owners (IMHO), is the less-refined aspect of Jeeps. It's the very essence of what differentiates a Jeep from the rest of the automotive world. I've owned many cars/trucks/SUV's that are much easier to drive, shift, steer, haul, but none looked as cool, felt as cool, and IS as cool to own as my Jeep.

I LIKE the way they shift. Sack up guys.
I have to agree less refined. I was content with my crank up windows no power anything and leaf spring suspension of my YJ it was pretty primitive and I was looking for a basic model and fell in love with the heated leather , nav, air con, and power windows and locks on my Sahara. I still have my 93 with 4 inch lift and 33's when nature calls me, but I have to say I am enjoying the Sahara as my daily driver even if my neighbor said compared to my old Jeep this one looks like a Barbie jeep hence the new wheels and 33's on order
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I dumped the clutch and killed the engine 7x on the test drive alone!

Coming off of 14 yrs of driving my 5sp TJ... and felt like a noob.

Combo of lack of clutch feel (havent bothered turning off the hill assist), and a much quieter engine. And yeah... the throttle is a tad wonky, adding to the mix.

9k miles down... and it doesn't happen as often, but it'll still happen on occasion.
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neighbor said compared to my old Jeep this one looks like a Barbie jeep
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:58 PM   #73
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We traded a LS2 6speed car for our JK and are amazed how easy to shift the JK is. The GTO had almost no flywheel effect where the jeep seems to have more than average but the jeep is much easier to get along with .
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I dumped the clutch and killed the engine 7x on the test drive alone!

Coming off of 14 yrs of driving my 5sp TJ... and felt like a noob.

Combo of lack of clutch feel (havent bothered turning off the hill assist), and a much quieter engine. And yeah... the throttle is a tad wonky, adding to the mix.

9k miles down... and it doesn't happen as often, but it'll still happen on occasion.
This...

I'm getting better, but with a critical audience it's stressful.

Sigh. Oh well I'll get it.

Four days now and mod free, what's the record?
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Six- You are correct, it does slow you down...it'll never be as quick as a car that's designed to zip around in stop-n-go driving. Jeeps were not designed with that as a performance benchmark. Surely, most drivers who are heavy in stop-n-go DD situations would probably choose an auto anyway. So it's an apples to oranges comparison of vehicles, hell it's apples to nuts comparison!
Well that's obvious. It just sounds like this is how he learned how to drive a stick and does it in all vehicles. Once you're out of gear, you're out of gear.
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It just sounds like this is how he learned how to drive a stick and does it in all vehicles.
On the contrary, I learned to drive doing the yank it from one gear to the other, and then switched to the two step motion. I think it makes it easier on synchros too.
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I bought a new 2013 jeep wrangler sport. Love the jeep but reverse sucks. I have to ride the clutch on short back ups because it goes to dam fast and if I apply the brakes it wants to dog out. Why wouldn't they have reverse in low gear like backing up in 4low I'm confused.. It just seems to me there are a lot of problems with jeep wranglers. I traded in my 2006 jeep wrangler x because it had the dealth wobble. I also notived on my new jeep 6th gear is useless going up a small hill on the highway in cruise it slows way down stupid crap. but I still love my gekgo green with 3 inch lift with 33s tires real shape looking.
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I bought a new 2013 jeep wrangler sport. Love the jeep but reverse sucks. I have to ride the clutch on short back ups because it goes to dam fast and if I apply the brakes it wants to dog out. Why wouldn't they have reverse in low gear like backing up in 4low I'm confused.. It just seems to me there are a lot of problems with jeep wranglers. I traded in my 2006 jeep wrangler x because it had the dealth wobble. I also notived on my new jeep 6th gear is useless going up a small hill on the highway in cruise it slows way down stupid crap. but I still love my gekgo green with 3 inch lift with 33s tires real shape looking.
Im sorry you are so conflicted. You say you love the Jeep, but then go on to say it's your second JK and that it seems to you that there are a lot of problems with Jeeps.

I have ZERO problems with reverse in my auto and the 5 speed pulls hills very well in cruise. I am assuming that your Jeep that you had problems with Death Wobble was lifted as your current Jeep. Death Wobble is an problem associated with solid axles and is made worse by screwing with the original design parameters (ie...lifting it). Get rid of the solid axles and Death Wobble is no longer an issue...but who wants an IFS Wrangler? DW is also common with poorly designed or installed lifts or worn parts. Can't really blame Jeep for something caused by parts that they didn't install.
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I bought a new 2013 jeep wrangler sport. Love the jeep but reverse sucks. I have to ride the clutch on short back ups because it goes to dam fast and if I apply the brakes it wants to dog out. Why wouldn't they have reverse in low gear like backing up in 4low I'm confused.. It just seems to me there are a lot of problems with jeep wranglers. I traded in my 2006 jeep wrangler x because it had the dealth wobble. I also notived on my new jeep 6th gear is useless going up a small hill on the highway in cruise it slows way down stupid crap. but I still love my gekgo green with 3 inch lift with 33s tires real shape looking.
I also noticed that reverse seems a bit tall. In fact, it feels like it'll go faster in reverse than first. The only place I ever stall is backing into my driveway. Its just steep enough for the hill start assist to occasionally kick on and that combined with the taller reverse gear means I'm either stalling it or giving it too much gas to overcome the braking.

My neighbors always seem to be out when I do this and must think I'm a complete idiot. lol
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:22 PM   #80
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I have found for shifting back and forth between 5th and 6th at that 55-65 mph range if you bring it back to center first it goes in smoother..if that makes sense
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:48 PM   #81
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The manual shifter and gas/clutch does have a learning curve in these things. I've driven sticks all my life and finally now that I'm over 1k on my 14 I'm feeling ok.
1. turn off HSA
2. either start off in 2nd or be 2500 + RPM when shifting from 1st to 2nd. Synchro's seem to work better at higher RPMs (and also consider a double clutch when cold)
3. It's really not a "blip" of throttle. Instead it's more like a resistor. Turn it on some then some more as you go. Not like my old Rx7 or eclipse, that's for sure.
4. Shift from 5-6 is not straight back. Instead pull with a slight \ angle. I've yet to hit reverse, but have hit the gate between 4 & 6th. Just takes a trial/error approach.
5. As others have said learn from your mistakes. 1 - 2 is the shift that bothered me from the go... now not really.
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I had a shifting problem for about a week after getting my Jeep. I figured that I'd get used to it. Easy on the throttle, and easy on the clutch and not shifting at high RPM makes a difference. For me, what made the most difference is how far back my seat was. If it was too far forward, it was easy depressing the clutch (for starting), but shifting tended to be too abrupt. I moved my seat further back so that my leg is FULLY EXTENDED when starting up the vehicle so that the clutch switch is operated. It also allows for (at least for me) easier shifting because my leg isn't bent so much.....and I think that was what made shifting between gears so awkward or abrupt. So it's a little "stretch" starting the motor, but a lot smoother going thru the gears. Give it a try.
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I would have to say I am not a fan of the manual. I actually prefer my 99 TJ to my 13 JK. But this is what I think....

1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline.

2 - light pressure to passenger side and smooth as butter to 3rd

3 - larger tires make 1st feel better otherwise starting in second is the same.
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Im sorry you are so conflicted. You say you love the Jeep, but then go on to say it's your second JK and that it seems to you that there are a lot of problems with Jeeps.

I have ZERO problems with reverse in my auto and the 5 speed pulls hills very well in cruise. I am assuming that your Jeep that you had problems with Death Wobble was lifted as your current Jeep. Death Wobble is an problem associated with solid axles and is made worse by screwing with the original design parameters (ie...lifting it). Get rid of the solid axles and Death Wobble is no longer an issue...but who wants an IFS Wrangler? DW is also common with poorly designed or installed lifts or worn parts. Can't really blame Jeep for something caused by parts that they didn't install.
my jeep is a 2013 with a manual 6 speed. your jeep is older with a auto 5 speed. I'm just pointing out the issue I have with my jeeps. My 2006 was all stock with a 6 speed manual so the dealth wobble was unexplained.. Don't get me wrong my 2013 jeep wrangler sport is awesome I was just pointing out things that I don't understand what the jeep makers were thinking. like if they test drove a new 2013 6 speed manual in reverse they couldn't say holy crap this thing goes to fast in reverse I have to ride the clutch to make up a few feet lol.
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Been driving manuals for over 30 years, turn that stupid hill assist off and these things are one of the easiest manuals to drive IMO.
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Alright got to drive the Jeep home in the snow today. That's one of the big reasons I bought a manual. Complete control when in the slick stuff.

Although the ESP is a bit much... c'mon I wanna kick the back end out!
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Yes! It should be to the left of 1st and 2nd. I found out the hard way there's no lockout for reverse when I was trying to go from 5th to 6th and it went to reverse...hahaha. SCRATCH!
I've had 3 Wranglers in the past, and a number of other vehicles, all of which have been manual. Matt, I did this same thing the first night I had the new Jeep--TWICE (and I about soiled myself)! My partner was driving behind me with the BMW to turn it into the dealer, and he commented on how he enjoyed seeing and HEARING me try to shift into reverse (apparently, the backup lights also came on for a brief moment).

All is better now, I think. After a couple of weeks, I seem to be used to everything.
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Been driving mine for a few months now and no problems so far. 5th to 6th can be scary in the beginning, but eventually you get the hang of it. I have not put it in reverse going from 5th to 6th yet. I guess the trick is to put some pressure to the right, but not too much.
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1 - hill assist sucks ass! OFF! If you know how to drive a stick than you know let clutch out to friction point and you can sit there all day on a decent incline.
...and quickly wear out your clutch.
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I hate this tranny, Definately not my TJs NV3550 anymore. Of course I won't go auto though. I can't shift it naturally, I have to think every shift. I've hit reverse going into 6th more times than I can count. Ditto not totally getting it into gear when shifting into reverse. Aaannnnd, I just can't seem to match rpm with clutch release to prevent a thunk 1-2, 4-5, and 5-6. At least I'm good enough to modulate the clutch to never stall it on takeoff! BTW, I removed one throttle spring after I bought it and that helped tremendously. Whenever I do make it from point A to B cleanly, I feel like I conquered something.

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