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Old 03-05-2014, 12:24 PM   #1
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Anyone else getting tired...

Just wondering who else is getting tired/annoyed with articles like this -> http://autos.yahoo.com/news/disappoi...140000640.html
It seems like there have been quite a few that have come out recently from the likes of Consumer Reports, Edmuns and whatnot that have just been bashing the Wrangler. I really could care less as I love my JKU...just getting tired of seeing such biased reports being slung around.

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agreed and that is why I don't read the reports.

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I love 'em. Just points up that Jeep folks think differently than most. Like, we just don't care what others think of us or what we choose to buy with our own money!

Most of the 'negative' gigs CR gives the Wrangler are part and parcel of the very reason we buy/love them.

Also, this sort of article helps to keep real socker-sissys from buying Wranglers and skewing the customer base Jeep is catering to which could lead toward stupid (for us) changes in the Jeep.



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Not to be a smart A$$....but this has been going on about Jeeps every since I can remember....if I were a "little" older I would be able to remember when everyone came back from the "War" and wanted a Jeep.....and honestly when they started doing reviews and comparing them to cars is when this "song" began.

What I don't understand is why the "car review people" can not figure out it is like trying to compare a Jet Ski to a cabin cruiser, it is not the same thing!! You would think that with their education and experience that they would express the improvements of the Jeep versus previous years...and finally acknowledge...THERE IS ONLY ONE!!!
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I just laugh at them....

If you are serious about a Wrangler, and have done you research, you know all of the "flaws" and have accepted them.

It isn't like we are buying Yugo's.
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I'm glad these articles are still being published.... And I love the fact that Jeeps are so different. That's why I always wanted one, The only reason wranglers are still being made today is because there is a demand for them, a quickly growing demand. No other manufacturer is still making anything comparable ( toyota FJ was probably closest) and IF Jeep does what they should do and offer a diesel and a pickup version of the wrangler sales will increase even further.
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I didn't read the article but most of them are dead on. Wranglers ARE bad on MPG, they DO handle badly compared to an SUV(I think they're a whole different category), they ARE NOT convenient for an everyday driver(rear tailgate, doors don't stay open, poor storage, etc.), they have an UNCOMFORTABLE backseat, they do BADLY in crashes, etc.
I am tired of people buying them and not doing their research, then b#/ching about these quirks.

Don't get me wrong, I love my JKU but a lot of people don't understand them and buy them anyway.
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My JKU is more of a mainstream vehicle than my previous TJ & YJ and much more refined but I'm not sure I want the next gen Wrangler to be MORE refined.
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I understand what all you guys are saying. Everyone should know what your getting into before buying a wrangler. Do your homework. I did. For almost a year before I bought mine. (I waited that long to get the pentastar and 5 speed). But I new it wasn't gonna be like the 2 infiniti SUVs and the Lexus I previously owned. I drove one for the first time in the sand dunes on Martha's Vinyard and Nantucket one summer and fell on love. The following year I picked one up early spring. No regrets. BUT I Will always say that despite all the flaws listed in Consumer Reports that I can deal with, the one that bugs me the most is the quality/reliability issues on a vehicle I paid over 40k for.
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Well, some of the complaints are valid, some not.

Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 20 Ride, handling, braking, wind noise, access, driving position, seat comfort, fit and finish, visibility, fuel economy, reliability.

The braking distances for JK and JKU are definitely long. It's a legitimate beef.

The visibility in my JK 2-door is good, except out the back window. For soft top it would be even better. Maybe JKU is different.

Wind noise, ride, handling, etc. are just part and parcel to what this vehicle is. This is a convertible and the off-roader of all off-roaders. It's not a Cadillac.

I think that is the problem with these car review sites. They don't review the Wrangler for what it is. They review it the same way that they review any other grocery-getter. But Jeep buyers don't evaluate cars that way, and neither should they.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:10 PM   #11
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I just laugh at them....

If you are serious about a Wrangler, and have done you research, you know all of the "flaws" and have accepted them.

It isn't like we are buying Yugo's.
Exactly!!! Flaws to Consumer Reports are things we all know well in advance, and accept and love as a result to the intended design. It's a solid axle toaster on wheels with removable doors and full removable top. Of course it's going to ride rough, be loud and get poor fuel economy. Do any of us care about those "downfalls"? Hell no!

The reliability claims always confuse too me since most of the time just a 4dr will make the list, but where's the 2 door with the same parts?

This is why I've given up on Consumer Reports for anything automotive.
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If you want a SUV or vehicle for mainly city driving/commuting with a few forays into the wilderness, there are far superior vehicles in practically every aspect. I don't really care, though they should do some offroad reviewing too...that would be nice.
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When I started shopping for a new vehicle in 2010, my son gave me a copy of Motor Trend mags. "2011-2012 Car, Truck, & SUV Buyer's Guide" which briefly reviewed and rated about every vehicle imaginable. They rate them from zero to five stars. Of the hundreds of vehicles rated, only a half dozen or so got five stars.

Guess what the real gear-heads at Motor Trend thought of the Wrangler....

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This review, together with the slam review at the same time by CR and Forbes magazine of the Wrangler, really helped me finalize the decision to get another Jeep.

Consumer reports is for coffee pot and vacuum cleaner reviews.... they have very different priorities than Jeepers!
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But can the competition remove the tops and doors? Or make their own trail in the woods? How well did the others hold up to climbing over boulders, fording a river, or a mud pit? I want to see "Failed to cross river", "tires not up to task", "engine hydro-locked", "suspension broken", "body panels destroyed", "needed a tow to get out of woods", "expensive to repair", etc.
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For every negative review there are 20 people that come forward and proclaim they've "always wanted a Jeep!" Half of those people will likely own one at some point in their life but I digress from my anecdotal rant.

To many points already made here, part of the allure of a Wrangler is that cool factor that screams "I'm unconventional and quite frankly don't give a $@*#.!" For every negative point there are about 2-3 utility centric notes you can make.

It's a box but it hauls humans, mulch, gravel, pets and whatever else you can throw at it with ease. It's doesn't handle great but it's the most capable off-road and adverse weather condition vehicle made today. It's loud at highway speed but it has a really cool roof that transforms into a convertible in 5-10 minutes. And the list goes on and on and on...

Take some of the points that this guy says with a grain of salt but I think he does a great job bridging the gap between "worst vehicle ever" and "how awesome are Jeeps?!?!"

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More words into the echo chamber that Wranglers are designed for reasons other than to do the things that are important to most buyers well. The reasoning probably being that people keep seeing these cool, fun things on the road and might write in upset that they had to compromise to drive a cool, fun thing. My daily driver is a very quick, smooth riding, extremely fuel efficient, great handling sedan. And I'm always a little bummed when logic and reason cause me to grab the keys to that instead of the Jeep when I leave for work.
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They forgot to add in the report that it is one of the last (if not the last) 4 door convertible. Oh and that it is useful year round (4wd and removable top). Oh and they forgot it is kid friendly (easy to clean out). Oh and they forgot to add that it has a great after market showing. Oh and they forgot it.............. CR is clueless to what people want. Who cares? Keep talking the wrangler down as sales go up!
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Take some of the points that this guy says with a grain of salt but I think he does a great job bridging the gap between "worst vehicle ever" and "how awesome are Jeeps?!?!"

2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara: The world's worst daily driver? - YouTube
Thanks for linking that video! This guy's review is spot on. He totally gets why Wranglers are what they are and says it well!
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:46 PM   #19
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...just getting tired of seeing such biased reports being slung around.
The reports are not biased. 90% of the people agree with them. The real problem is that most Jeep owners are religious fanatics for whom their Jeep is their god. Like the guys who blow themselves up in the name of their religion or those who still believe that the world was created in 7 days 6000 years ago in spite of overwhelming evidence of evolution. You just can't have a reasonable discussion with blind fanaticism.
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The reports are not biased. 90% of the people agree with them. The real problem is that most Jeep owners are religious fanatics for whom their Jeep is their god. Like the guys who blow themselves up in the name of their religion or those who still believe that the world was created in 7 days 6000 years ago in spite of overwhelming evidence of evolution. You just can't have a reasonable discussion with blind fanaticism.
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If what was said about the wrangler was not true I would have an issue with it--but let's face it--those reports and evaluations are 100 percent correct--but the thing about them is that the jeep is being evaluated on road, as a family vehicle and compared to other road first--off road second SUVs. The wrangler is closer to an ATV then it is a road vehicle. It off road capabilities are placed above its on road manners. Those types of articles just inform the masses about what they are getting into before they buy one. As long as they are factual --i say keep printing them--this will keep guys like Ralph Nader off our back and out of the drivers seat
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If what was said about the wrangler was not true I would have an issue with it--but let's face it--those reports and evaluations are 100 percent correct--but the thing about them is that the jeep is being evaluated on road, as a family vehicle and compared to other road first--off road second SUVs. The wrangler is closer to an ATV then it is a road vehicle. It off road capabilities are placed above its on road manners. Those types of articles just inform the masses about what they are getting into before they buy one. As long as they are factual --i say keep printing them--this will keep guys like Ralph Nader off our back and out of the drivers seat
Wrangler=Corvair of 2014?
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they did say:

Our mission is to help our subscribers make informed purchase decisions, whatever they may be. Many of these models have versatile utility, an eye-catching design, or are novel in other ways—tough to argue with the popularity and iconic looks of the Wrangler. Personality often goes a long way, as well. If you are interested in a car that performs poorly in our tests, take special care with the test drive and make sure you can live with the cited flaws before you purchase. Otherwise, don't say we didn't warn you.

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I didn't read the article but most of them are dead on. Wranglers ARE bad on MPG, they DO handle badly compared to an SUV(I think they're a whole different category), they ARE NOT convenient for an everyday driver(rear tailgate, doors don't stay open, poor storage, etc.), they have an UNCOMFORTABLE backseat, they do BADLY in crashes, etc.
I am tired of people buying them and not doing their research, then b#/ching about these quirks.

Don't get me wrong, I love my JKU but a lot of people don't understand them and buy them anyway.
If there has been a more accurate post than this one on WF, I must have missed it. Spot on.
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It is depressing to a degree. At the same time, do we want the masses to love the Wrangler? Obviously it has a following - no sales incentives, the production at the factory is constant, some changes over the years but nothing like what the poor 4Runner has had happen. When they tried to get into the SUV market with the first JKU's, they offered them in 2WD. It took a few years for them to realize it doesn't work, but it's just another example of how trying to appeal to more people just doesn't work as well for the Wrangler. If someone test drives a Wrangler and doesn't like it, they aren't going to wait for the Wrangler to change, they will look at the Grand Cherokee most likely, maybe the Liberty, or Cherokee now, or the Patriot. That's the beauty of having those other choices. If I had more money, I'd probably own another Jeep model too, for those times where the Wrangler isn't exactly what I need or want. Maybe I'd even own a different Wrangler for that matter, a 2 and a 4 door.
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could be --but how many here know what a covair is---lol
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I wonder how many noticed it was the unlimited Sahara? That is NOT your typical Jeep buyer, but an upscale crowd unlikely to do any offroading and expecting a luxury SUV ride, fit and finish. There is no excuse for poor quality control however.
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I just clicked on one of their links to get more info on the Sahara...they showed a Sport, not even a Sport S, truly pathetic Yahoo, pathetic.
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I love 'em. Just points up that Jeep folks think differently than most. Like, we just don't care what others think of us or what we choose to buy with our own money!

Most of the 'negative' gigs CR gives the Wrangler are part and parcel of the very reason we buy/love them.

Also, this sort of article helps to keep real socker-sissys from buying Wranglers and skewing the customer base Jeep is catering to which could lead toward stupid (for us) changes in the Jeep.



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I love my 2014 two door Sahara and I love my 2012 suburban. Jeep is noisy, rides rough, cheaper. and on and on. We drive the Jeep at all times if we can.

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