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Old 05-10-2013, 12:09 PM   #1
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Anyone have a methanol injected jeep?

I recently installed an Aquamist system in my Audi, and after tuning saw about a 40 whp gain. Although the Audi is a twin turbo motor i know the NA motors can also see positive effects from a 50/50 water meth injection setup. This is my Audi setup.








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Old 05-10-2013, 12:50 PM   #2
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I've got a methanol injection kit on my Grand National. Just made 573 rwhp and 640 ft lbs at 29# boost with 93 octane and the kit. I don't really see how it could help out a N/A V6 though. I think maybe a few Viper guys are getting a few ponies out of them N/A but we're talking about a 640 hp engine.

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Old 05-10-2013, 02:27 PM   #3
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correct me if I am wrong but aren't those system used to cool the boost charge going through the intercooler, so if you had a supercharger with an intercooler in the jeep it would help but on a naturally aspirated jeep it really won't do anything, I looked at installing one in my evo cool system but my jeep has stolen all the mod money from my evo!
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correct me if I am wrong but aren't those system used to cool the boost charge going through the intercooler, so if you had a supercharger with an intercooler in the jeep it would help but on a naturally aspirated jeep it really won't do anything, I looked at installing one in my evo cool system but my jeep has stolen all the mod money from my evo!
No ..research "war emergency power" as in world war 2 fighter planes. It cools the engine and has an octane boosting effect...but you have to tune for it. They used to use it on fighter planes to get out of danger.

It wont help on a stock motor
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Old 05-10-2013, 02:35 PM   #5
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correct me if I am wrong but aren't those system used to cool the boost charge going through the intercooler, so if you had a supercharger with an intercooler in the jeep it would help but on a naturally aspirated jeep it really won't do anything, I looked at installing one in my evo cool system but my jeep has stolen all the mod money from my evo!
It sprays 50/50 meth and water right before the throttle body. It's used mainly as an octane booster and also drops iat's and combustion temps. It actually helps more on those super hot days in the summer.
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Old 05-10-2013, 02:37 PM   #7
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Had one in the STI, never thought about having one in a jeep. Can tuners advance timing?
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:43 PM   #8
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Had one in the STI, never thought about having one in a jeep. Can tuners advance timing?
Fairly sure superchips and bullydog do. They have tunes that require premium gas and im fairly sure the only way that would happen electronically is by advanced ignition?

I wouldnt bother personally. Its a good v6 and we have hemi conversion kits and superchargers. You could put a turbo on for a couple hundred bucks too.
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:37 PM   #9
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No ..research "war emergency power" as in world war 2 fighter planes. It cools the engine and has an octane boosting effect...but you have to tune for it. They used to use it on fighter planes to get out of danger.

It wont help on a stock motor
I always thought those guys ran turbochargers to limit the effect of altitude, and that is one reason why methanol injection works on them.
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I always thought those guys ran turbochargers to limit the effect of altitude, and that is one reason why methanol injection works on them.
Not sure what your thought on the relationship between turbochargers, altitude and meth is. However, the alcohol has several features that make it capable of making HP although it has fewer BTU's than gas. Although to take advantage you need to tune for it which is why flex fuel cars have a sensor to switch a/f and timing maps.

Alcohol has about 1/3 less BTU than gas if memory serves, however since it is oxygenated (the OH alcohol portion) you can run a much richer mix. So if you double your fuel flow your potential power is higher. In addition you can run a lot more timing do to the high Octane. So just throwing in some meth doesn't make the HP in NA cars you need to tune for it. The primary bump for FA cars is the increasing air density through cooling the air charge.

Alcohol makes for a very fast revving high HP high torque engine. But prepare for about half the economy.

We are thinking about doing a jeep tune for E85 just for grins. It wouldn't be practical 50 miles from nowhere.
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Fairly sure superchips and bullydog do. They have tunes that require premium gas and im fairly sure the only way that would happen electronically is by advanced ignition?

I wouldnt bother personally. Its a good v6 and we have hemi conversion kits and superchargers. You could put a turbo on for a couple hundred bucks too.
You could do an e85 tune that would make a lot of power and torque but you would need bigger injectors, aux fuel pump to go with it and get about half the mileage.
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You could do an e85 tune that would make a lot of power and torque but you would need bigger injectors, aux fuel pump to go with it and get about half the mileage.
And you would need to live in an area with a good supply of e85 pumps, here in New York there are only a handful.
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I definitely wouldn't bother with meth injection on a stock JK. Not worth it. Now, a RIPP blower and meth is another story.
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I definitely wouldn't bother with meth injection on a stock JK. Not worth it. Now, a RIPP blower and meth is another story.
Exactly. Even "tuned" for it, a meth kit on a NA Jeep would be pretty worthless. I wish it was that easy!
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You could do an e85 tune that would make a lot of power and torque but you would need bigger injectors, aux fuel pump to go with it and get about half the mileage.
You can get most of that back if you bump the compression to 14:1 or so.

Deck the block, mill the heads, etc.. However at that point you have an alcohol only motor

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