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Old 06-05-2012, 07:29 PM   #61
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Never, not even for a second. Once you have to pay through the nose to get the new style of electronic automatic transmissions rebuilt, you'll never have another automatic again.

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Never, not even for a second. Once you have to pay through the nose to get the new style of electronic automatic transmissions rebuilt, you'll never have another automatic again.
Do you even have to be certified as a "certified, licensed driveline technician" to even be able to work on those transmissions? The trend is towards making vehicles impossible to work on, in effect creating "make-work" for the automotive industry. When my Scout is done, I will one foot in that one, and another foot in my Jeep.

What kind of money are we talking about in repairing those electronic automatics?

Edit: forgot to add in the line above, do you have to be certified by a future gov't agency called the Federal Automotive Administration, an agency like the Federal Aviation Administration? This is where things are headed, folks...

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:41 PM   #63
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No regrets. My Jeep, Vette Z06, and VW TDI all have 6 speed manuals. My F250 has an auto, its for sale.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:53 PM   #64
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I've been trying to keep up with the 2012 gas mileage thread, and it sure looks like those with a manual in the 2012 are, generally, getting significantly better gas mileage than autos of the same model and axles.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:00 PM   #65
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No regrets at all. Vibrated a fair bit when I first picked up my 2012 JKUR but settled nicely and never have vibration issues. Love it.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:03 PM   #66
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How does 6th hold speed on the highway when it gets hilly? I assume the answer will be different for a Rubicon, 3.73 and a 3.21.

I drove stick shift cars for a long time, '98 Audi A4 2.8 was the most fun to drive. How much do you need to change your style? I'd assume the Jeep would be a hell of a lot easier than the Audi.
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How does 6th hold speed on the highway when it gets hilly? I assume the answer will be different for a Rubicon, 3.73 and a 3.21.

I drove stick shift cars for a long time, '98 Audi A4 2.8 was the most fun to drive. How much do you need to change your style? I'd assume the Jeep would be a hell of a lot easier than the Audi.
6th is overdrive. Not really meant for that
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #68
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Nope. It's a jeep it's gotta be a manual. Then again I'm old school. It also keeps the "can I use your jeep?" pool way down. The only time it's a pain is in stop and go heavy traffic. But it's not a DD so that doesn't happen often and hopefully if the day comes I have to sell it someone with the same attitude towards standards as me will want to buy it. I drive a 95 YJ. It had to be standard and it had to be 4.0 6 cylinder.
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How does 6th hold speed on the highway when it gets hilly? I assume the answer will be different for a Rubicon, 3.73 and a 3.21.

I drove stick shift cars for a long time, '98 Audi A4 2.8 was the most fun to drive. How much do you need to change your style? I'd assume the Jeep would be a hell of a lot easier than the Audi.
If you're lazy, 6th holds on highway inclines and accelerates just fine. But I always drop it to 5th anyway so the engine is happy. That's for 3.73s.

Style-wise, expect to slow down. A lot. The 1-2 shift comes early and slow. Once you're going it's good. The engine has enough pull that you don't need to shift as often as cars with smaller engines. Which you'll be greatful for, because the 3-2 downshift is also slow.

The downshifts and upshifts don't give you the same kind of "hell yeah" as when you're blasting through gears in a car. But instead they're more like a manly clunk that lets you know you're in control. kind of like moving the go lever on a steam train.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #70
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I only drove manual till I moved to Atlanta. I have a miserable commute and that was the sole reason I went with an auto. On the weekends and when I'm not commuting I wish I had a manual.
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Commuting in heavy traffic with a stick stinks.

At my house, daily drivers get autos, fun weekend vehicles get sticks.
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How does 6th hold speed on the highway when it gets hilly? I assume the answer will be different for a Rubicon, 3.73 and a 3.21.

I drove stick shift cars for a long time, '98 Audi A4 2.8 was the most fun to drive. How much do you need to change your style? I'd assume the Jeep would be a hell of a lot easier than the Audi.
I use 6th for cruise control speeds, 5th for hills and passing, 4th in town, 3rd in town slow, 2nd and 1st I alternate for launches or dirt play.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:52 PM   #73
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I love it! I haven't driven a manual transmission since 2001. I feel like I pay attention to my driving and definitely stay away from unsafe behavior such as texting and driving since I need one hand for wheel and one for shifting.

The stick does vibrate a lot on my 2011, but not enough to be a deal breaker.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:03 PM   #74
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no regrets here. I LOVE my manual. I was back and forth for a while but hubby convinced me and it's too much fun!!!
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:13 PM   #75
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Always owned manuals, just always liked them. I know you can get jeeps with an automatic but to me a jeep with an automatic just doesnt seem right.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:29 PM   #76
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I hadnt had a stick since 2004, and there was no where to test drive a rubi with 410s and a 6 spd.

Ordered the stick because my brother in law said to me, "you never hear anyone complain that they got the manual trans. Ive heard complaints about autos". He was right.

I drove the auto rubi, and it was nice, but every time i get in my truck, I thank god that I got the stick. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more fun.
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I hadnt had a stick since 2004, and there was no where to test drive a rubi with 410s and a 6 spd.

Ordered the stick because my brother in law said to me, "you never hear anyone complain that they got the manual trans. Ive heard complaints about autos". He was right.

I drove the auto rubi, and it was nice, but every time i get in my truck, I thank god that I got the stick. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more fun.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:01 PM   #78
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My first manual. It's fun.
It sucks in traffic, but I still wouldn't want an auto...
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I did notice the vibration regarding rough road conditions, but took my hand off the stick... Dah!

Do you want a "Jeep" or a "Sissy" Ride? An Auto is not a "Jeep"!

Still have not got her broke in at 500 miles and She will tame down after 1000 miles I'm sure.

And who in the heck would you trust to drive your "Jeep" But your Wife?

Just my 2 cents, but a real "Jeep" is a standard!

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2012 JKU Sport with 3.73s. Manual. My first jeep.

Didn't know how to drive stick beforehand, had only 1-2 experiences with it in college when my buddy was too wasted to drive (took me almost an hour to get it started). But, and this is just me, when I think of jeeps I think they should be stick. Jeeps should bounce, should not feel like driving a car. Jeeps should have road noise. And when it's nice out, jeeps should have their tops off. To me, those things make a jeep what it is.

My wife is amazing and I'm not ashamed to tell you guys that SHE taught me how to drive stick. Love that woman. Was hard watching her drive MY jeep off the lot though!

Austin traffic sucks. Bad. A sore hip flexor is not uncommon when I have a string of particularly long commutes. But I am SO happy that I stuck with my gut and got a stick. It is serious fun and I drive it every chance I get. "What's that honey? Need something? I'll be right back!".

I can't drive the wife's auto 4 runner for more than 30 minutes before I start falling asleep.

The caveats are that I will not be rock crawling my rig, at least until it's completely paid for. I just can't afford that hobby right now. I also don't tow.
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I did notice the vibration regarding rough road conditions, but took my hand off the stick... Dah!

Do you want a "Jeep" or a "Sissy" Ride? An Auto is not a "Jeep"!

Still have not got her broke in at 500 miles and She will tame down after 1000 miles I'm sure.

And who in the heck would you trust to drive your "Jeep" But your Wife?

Just my 2 cents, but a real "Jeep" is a standard!

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A real Jeep also doesn't have air conditioning, a stereo, fuel injection, power steering and brakes, airbags, etc... Does yours?
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Do you want a "Jeep" or a "Sissy" Ride? An Auto is not a "Jeep"!
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wouldn't have it any other way.
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You know, I bought an auto and %95 of the time I love it, but the other %5 I regret NOT buying a goddamn stick!
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Positives for a manual:

Nobody will borrow my Jeep since nobody else I know (other than my wife) knows how to drive a stick anymore. It's also a heck of a lot cheaper.
It's good or bad. One reason I bought the auto is when I go road trip or skip trip with my friends, if I have a manual, I will be the driver all the time no matter how tired I am. With automatic, we can share driving.

I have a manual Miata for fun, that's only for me
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Do you want a "Jeep" or a "Sissy" Ride? An Auto is not a "Jeep"!



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I know a quite a few jeeps that are autos that makes most jeeps on this forum look like golf carts. Does that mean they are "Sissy" rides cause they are auto? Its a shame if they are, just think of what they could do with there jeeps if they wernt sissys.

I guess they will have to make a new class of trails since the sissys are runing around on the extream trails.


Its just like everything else about the jeep lifestile, no such thing as right or wrong cause folks do so many difrent things with jeeps.
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Wouldn't have it any other way. I even love how the shifter vibrates. Makes it feel like I'm driving a Mack truck.
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It's never "Can't".. It's "Not Willing To" or "Given the oppurtunity to"

I've never been given the oppurtunity to learn how to drive a stick shift vehlcile.. But Im willing to learn given the oppurtunity..
My first car was a stick. Now its all i drive... Never had an automatic in my life
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I have a 12 Sahara with 3.73 and six speed. I bought it because we've rented jeeps before on vacation. Just last week we were on vacation and I managed to rent a 12 auto sport s. I'm guessing it was 3.23, but of course hard to tell. I have to say after living with it for a week, it's *way* nicer than the previous autos.

As my wife said, the auto just worked and worked well (and she's pretty dedicated to stick as well). I'm a lifetime stick guy, every previous vehicle since 1988 including my van, and used to roadrace motorcycles for a while so I'm pretty dedicated to stick, and enjoy doing it. However, it actually gave me a little bit of pause making me wonder if it was the right choice. However, in the end I love stick and it was $1700 cheaper ... But, I really think you can't go wrong either way. The pre 12 that I rented definitely didn't feel as sporty or fun though to me in auto.

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