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Old 08-22-2013, 06:27 AM   #1
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aries vs tuffy vs bestop- a few questions

I'm deciding which one of these to get, from my research I've got a few questions that I'm hoping those that own these products can provide input.

bestop - the top doesn't come off?

tuffy - how much weight can be strapped on top? I saw a few posts where people installed tie downs to secure cargo on top of the enclosure.

aries - can support 200 lbs. Can both top pieces be removed without tools and without folding down the rear seat (i know it can fold over itself and makes a work bench).

Does either aries or tuffy allow for use of the front (rear of back seat) tie downs? I get fuel for lower mower, etc in a 5 gallon can and use these tie downs to secure it. The filler nozzle sticks up above the top of the bed, so i know I would need to be able to remove the top.

Does anyone have the aries or tuffy with a trektop nx?

I'm not as concerned about it being water tight. my main purpose is to secure cargo with my soft top on. Having said that, I also don't want to be removing it when I have my hard top on.

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Old 08-23-2013, 12:46 PM   #2
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no replies, I'm hurt!

It looks like the tuffy can be folded open (or be a 'workbench') but not fully removed without tools.

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Old 08-23-2013, 01:06 PM   #3
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Presuming you're talking about the Tuffy Security Deck Enclosure, you can remove the lid and back panel without tools.
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Presuming you're talking about the Tuffy Security Deck Enclosure, you can remove the lid and back panel without tools.
how does the lid attach to the back panel?

from instructions I looked it, was held on with bolt/nut.
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The back panel attaches to the side mounting plates with four wing nuts that you remove by hand. The lid attaches to the back panel via four welded lugs. You're supposedly able to remove the lid without removing anything else, but that's not how mine works - I have to undo the back panel as well to take the lid out. Takes three or four minutes.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:55 PM   #6
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ah I am confused, Meant to say the Aries not tuffy.

Thanks for the info on the Tuffy woansleftpeg

I'm an idiot.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:06 PM   #7
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I have the tuffy with trektop nx. Works fine together. I do use the mopar tailgate window bar with my top though. Not sure how well the stock one would be to operate.
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The Aries security lid hit the factory tailgate bet
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:28 AM   #9
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The factory tailgate bar when you try to open the top lid. However, I just use the tailgate door to access the "trunk". The soft top does not interfere with the Aries security lid. I have yet to try the hardtop; it's still summer.
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I bought the aries first. Had it on with both hardtop and a trektop nx. While it did look good and was solid, it had several issues and wound up sending it back. It is a major pain to take it out once installed. Changing over from hard to soft top is a pretty major task.
Then I got the tuffy. Love it. Easy in and out. Have used it with both tops. While I would say its not as solid as the aries, I will take it over the aries any day.

Will add that with the aries you cannot simply remove the back panel like you can with the tuffy. It would require removing several bolts from front side and up underneath from the inside.
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I bought the aries first. Had it on with both hardtop and a trektop nx. While it did look good and was solid, it had several issues and wound up sending it back. It is a major pain to take it out once installed. Changing over from hard to soft top is a pretty major task.
Then I got the tuffy. Love it. Easy in and out. Have used it with both tops. While I would say its not as solid as the aries, I will take it over the aries any day.

Will add that with the aries you cannot simply remove the back panel like you can with the tuffy. It would require removing several bolts from front side and up underneath from the inside.
I have to agree on the Aries. It is solid and looks awesome. Removing it requires lots of hardware removal, not something you can just pop out. I have removed the top and front before but it takes about 30 minutes, not something you do without planning ahead. What bugs me most about it is when I am putting my hard top back on, it is really tough to get all the bolts to go through the hard top, then the security deck, then the tub, then into the sliding inserts. I love the deck, and still think it was the best solution for my needs, but I wish it didn't complicate the hard top install so much.
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I love the my tuffy Lid removes very easily. Can also remove the back pannel with out tools. very solid and looks good.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:30 AM   #13
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I love the my tuffy Lid removes very easily. Can also remove the back pannel with out tools. very solid and looks good.
Thanks for the responses.

I am more concerned with the ability to remove the top than the back panel. Sometime i do carry items that are tall (but still fit under hard/soft top.

Does anyone know if the two front tie downs (at rear of the back seat) are still accessible?

I think the back panel blocks them.

Much appreciated. I removed the hard top yesterday, installing the trektop nx today.
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Yes they are. I use them to tie down stuff all the time. You can spin them so you can use them in the "trunk" area. I also added a Tuffy tie down rails on each side of the Aries top. Sorry, unable to send pics; exceeded my quota.
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I have to agree on the Aries. It is solid and looks awesome. Removing it requires lots of hardware removal, not something you can just pop out. I have removed the top and front before but it takes about 30 minutes, not something you do without planning ahead. What bugs me most about it is when I am putting my hard top back on, it is really tough to get all the bolts to go through the hard top, then the security deck, then the tub, then into the sliding inserts. I love the deck, and still think it was the best solution for my needs, but I wish it didn't complicate the hard top install so much.
So, do you put the sides of the tuffy under the sides of the hard top? Tuffy told me I had to put it over the lip of the hard top, but that seems like hardtop removal would be a pain.
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So, do you put the sides of the tuffy under the sides of the hard top? Tuffy told me I had to put it over the lip of the hard top, but that seems like hardtop removal would be a pain.
The tuffy mounts on top of the hard top lip. But it isn't that bad to remove because you can take the tuffy top out then all you have to deal with are the side brackets. Much easier than the Aries.
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The tuffy mounts on top of the hard top lip. But it isn't that bad to remove because you can take the tuffy top out then all you have to deal with are the side brackets. Much easier than the Aries.
Does you have to unbolt the side pieces and readjust their hight to go topless? How long would you say it takes to take the top off and reinstall deck?
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Does you have to unbolt the side pieces and readjust their hight to go topless? How long would you say it takes to take the top off and reinstall deck?
The side brackets are bolted on top of the hard top lip using the hard top bolts. Once installed and adjusted you can remove them and you shouldn't need to readjust the height, unless you mess with the other bolts on the brackets which you dont need to do. Pop the lid out then remove the hard top. Only adds about a minute to the process.
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The side brackets are bolted on top of the hard top lip using the hard top bolts. Once installed and adjusted you can remove them and you shouldn't need to readjust the height, unless you mess with the other bolts on the brackets which you dont need to do. Pop the lid out then remove the hard top. Only adds about a minute to the process.
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The side brackets are bolted on top of the hard top lip using the hard top bolts. Once installed and adjusted you can remove them and you shouldn't need to readjust the height, unless you mess with the other bolts on the brackets which you dont need to do. Pop the lid out then remove the hard top. Only adds about a minute to the process.
Is this the tuffy security enclosure or security deck? Any pics?
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Is this the tuffy security enclosure or security deck? Any pics?
The security deck. The larger one. I'll try to get a couple pics of the mounting brackets posted.
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You only need to remove the bolts on the rail that would be used for hard top to remove the brackets. Don't have to mess with any of the others to remove.
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I forgot to take pictures...but......great news for those with the larger size Tuffy Trunk enclosures that have not tried this.

I'm in Sunrider mode 95% of the time, and I've been looking for a way to drop the back window without having to remove it. I know a lot of people without enclosures simply unzip their rear windows and let it flop inwards....but I had been afraid to try it because I didn't want to scratch the rear window on the top of the enclosure, and I was also afraid it would blow outwards and flap against the spare tire/3rd brake light.

Well, I always keep two fleece blankets in my Jeep to wrap up my windows in (plus it is good to have blankets wth you). Over the last couple of days, I've been unzipping the rear window and laying it out on top of on of one of my fleece blankets, and testing it at different speeds. Today, driving into high winds at 60 mph...Sunrider mode, all 4 windows down, plust the rear window dropped....no problems at all. The window barely fluttered. Of course I have not tried this with the side windows removed, but I wanted to let people know that you can drop the rear window forward with a trunk enclosure and drive around town without fear of it blowing backwards.
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No flapping, no scratches (so far, I'll keep an eye on it)...just a cool breeze.

The nice thing is that it only takes seconds to flip the sunrider and zip up or drop the rear window.
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Kind of off the tuffy topic, but in line with Panther's post. I rigged up a method to deal with my back window that works great. Took a piece of 3/4" pvc conduit, cut to length. Cut a slot all the way down it with a skill saw. Ran a nylon strap thru it. Unzip rear window and slide pvc on bottom just like tailgate bar would. Lift window up inside and attach straps to roll bar. Up out of the way and secure. I have the trektop nx, dont know if it would be different from oem style.
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So, do you put the sides of the tuffy under the sides of the hard top? Tuffy told me I had to put it over the lip of the hard top, but that seems like hardtop removal would be a pain.
The sides of the Aries sit under the hard top.
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Update:
+70mph on the highway today all 1 windows down, Sunrider back, and with the rear window laying on top of a blanket on the Tuffy trunk enclosure....no issues. I was more worried about being in Sunrider at 70mph than the rear window.

Now that I know I can ride like this, it is made the soft top even more fun.

Up next, trying it with the windows up (any type of possible vacuum?), and trying it with the rear panels out.
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I use my factory soft top with the Aries lid with no issues.
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I use my factory soft top with the Aries lid with no issues.
I don't think there was ever a question about the Aries not working with the factory soft top. I was just pointing out that you can unzip the rear window and let it flop into the Jeep (without removing the window bar), and it will stay there at 70mph with the Tuffy. You might be able to do it with the Aries, or maybe drop it "under" the Aries lid...I don't know.

Sunrider back, rear window down...awesome way to cruise if you dont feel like removing and wrapping up windows. Plus you can close the whole thing up in under a minute.

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