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Old 07-12-2010, 08:29 PM   #1
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Auto Tranny Recall for 2009 & 2010???

Everything I've read about installing a hot oil warning has been written about the '07 & '08 model year JKs.

Mine's an '09 and today I got a recall notice for the same issue that says it's for 2009 & 2010 model year JKs.

Anybody else get this notice? What's going on? Why did they first recall only the '07 & '08 model years?

Is there a difference in the issue or the 'fix' between the two recalls???

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I've got an 07. I think Chrysler didn't want want to overwhelm dealers so they recalled a couple years at a time.

there is no fix...by Chrysler anyway. they'll flash the computer so it displays a warning light when the transmission is about to overload. I know, it's bullish*t.

the REAL way to fix this issue is to purchase a tranny cooler and install it.

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I got one last week for our 2010 JK Unlimited. Might make an appointment next week.
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Got my notice on Saturday past. Will let them set the warning when I take it for it's first oil change. Definitely not a fix. Just a cheap way out to put the problem on the owners head. If you egnor the warning and damage something they will probably not fix at their dime.
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I'm not sure entirely what the whole recall is about, but I took my Jeep the other day to the dealer to get an oil change, and they told me that mine had this recall, so they fixed it. Who knows.
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You might talk to Hilldweller about what happens, (sometimes) when that idiot light comes on, it ain't pleasant on the freeway !!

I got that J30 recall letter and I'm not acting onit-I'll take my chances

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Did this auto tranny overheating issue happen if only towing or oversize tires on the 2009 - 2010 JK's ? How Common is it?

Thinking of buying a 2010 2 dr JK Sport.

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The recall, as far as I am aware, is to put an idiot light on your dash to warn you of the imminent destruction of your jeep by fire...ahhhem....that your jeep transmission oil is overheated and should be shut down right away before it boils out all over the exhaust manifold and catches fire and destroys your jeep in a fire.....ahhhem....I mean to warn you to shut the vehicle so that it can cool down and then you can be on your way....ya, I think that about covers it....according to what I've been reading about on the forums.
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We got ours in the mail today for our 2010
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Or, you could just purchase a standard and not have to worry about the recall.
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HELLO JWF MEMBERS:

Did this auto tranny overheating issue happen if only towing or oversize tires on the 2009 - 2010 JK's ? How Common is it?

Thinking of buying a 2010 2 dr JK Sport.

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it's not just the new JK's. it's EVERYTHING with the 42RLE automatic transmission. this includes ALL wranglers beginning in 2003 I believe, yeah...TJ's, Liberties, all JK's, Chargers, Dakotas...I'm sure there's more but that's all I can name for certain.

a member here overheated his JK just driving on the highway. I overheated mine stuck offroad. I was stock, and recently I got "dinged" again offroad attempting a hill climb now modified.

how common? it's hit and miss. some folks have zero issues. some not so lucky.

I'm unlucky. my normal operating temp is 200 degrees. it's the same as my engine. I have seen many 42RLE's though running 170-180. I've seen an 04 Liberty run at 210 normal. It's a theory of mine, but I bet if you measure the temp of all problem transmissions, they run hot like mine.

no swaps yet available. a cooler works very well though for this trans. the torque converter also sucks. it chatters and makes noise. this can also be a cause and source of heat at normal temps.

all in all it's one of Chrysler's better automatics. OD acts weird, the TC is sh*tty, and it runs hot. at least first, second, and third are good. if it wasn't for the heat issue, this trans wouldn't be too bad.

If you want a jeep, get one. don't let this stop you. that's what warranties are for. warranty expire? get a $60 insurance policy known as a tranny cooler
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welcome to the forum it's not just the new JK's. it's EVERYTHING with the 42RLE automatic transmission. this includes ALL wranglers beginning in 2003 I believe, yeah...TJ's, Liberties, all JK's, Chargers, Dakotas...I'm sure there's more but that's all I can name for certain. a member here overheated his JK just driving on the highway. I overheated mine stuck offroad. I was stock, and recently I got "dinged" again offroad attempting a hill climb now modified. how common? it's hit and miss. some folks have zero issues. some not so lucky. I'm unlucky. my normal operating temp is 200 degrees. it's the same as my engine. I have seen many 42RLE's though running 170-180. I've seen an 04 Liberty run at 210 normal. It's a theory of mine, but I bet if you measure the temp of all problem transmissions, they run hot like mine. no swaps yet available. a cooler works very well though for this trans. the torque converter also sucks. it chatters and makes noise. this can also be a cause and source of heat at normal temps. all in all it's one of Chrysler's better automatics. OD acts weird, the TC is sh*tty, and it runs hot. at least first, second, and third are good. if it wasn't for the heat issue, this trans wouldn't be too bad. If you want a jeep, get one. don't let this stop you. that's what warranties are for. warranty expire? get a $60 insurance policy known as a tranny cooler
Thanks for your info. I wonder if the new 2010 JK's still on the lot have been fixed after leaving the plant
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not sure. Chrysler seems to be getting away with just flashing in a dash light, so I don't see why they'd install a cooler.

a fix MIGHT come with the 3.6 engine. I haven't heard if the 42RLE will be mated with it, but I've heard rumors that the Pentastar 3.6 will get the 5-speed W5A580 automatic.

that transmission is LOADED with bearings, not bushings, so heat and power loses are minimum. it's one of the best, and complicated transmissions out there. I think the W5A580 going in a jeep is more exciting than the new 3.6.
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ok yall have me interested, just got 2010 JK a month ago and the dealer says it needs to correct the tranny temp sensor.

We just got back from a week in the smoky mountains. There was no hard trail riding, just the roads up the mountain any truck or car would make, When we went up the steep incline to Ober Gatlinburg the Jk acted like it was in a strain the whole way, It bucked and jumped and I even told the dealer today that I could hear the tappits ringing under the hood. (no mechanic here but thats what we call them) When we got to the parking place, it sounded like the fan was from a jet engine it was so loud. I contributed it to a fan booster for hot engines, though I dont know. I also mention this to the dealer and all he could say was oh really......... Is this what you all are talking about I would hate to see it self distruct with only 2000

My 03 with 96000 miles handled it with a charm
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ok yall have me interested, just got 2010 JK a month ago and the dealer says it needs to correct the tranny temp sensor.

We just got back from a week in the smoky mountains. There was no hard trail riding, just the roads up the mountain any truck or car would make, When we went up the steep incline to Ober Gatlinburg the Jk acted like it was in a strain the whole way, It bucked and jumped and I even told the dealer today that I could hear the tappits ringing under the hood. (no mechanic here but thats what we call them) When we got to the parking place, it sounded like the fan was from a jet engine it was so loud. I contributed it to a fan booster for hot engines, though I dont know. I also mention this to the dealer and all he could say was oh really......... Is this what you all are talking about I would hate to see it self distruct with only 2000

My 03 with 96000 miles handled it with a charm
I don't have the auto tranny but as far as the engine going up inclines and based on my seven years driving my caravan with an auto tranny that had many trips up mountains I would say that your trip sounds about right. The caravan would build a lot of heat and the fan would be whaling by the time I got to the top.

Regarding the little engine that could, has to do with the weight of the jeep, the size of the power plant, the gearing of the transfer case and differentials, and finally the gears in the transmission. The auto tranny has 4 and the manual has six. If I bog down with my transmission I simply downshift a gear to a gear that I can get some acceleration. In an auto, you are depending on the computer to figure out when to downshift to accomplish the same thing so it might seem like it is bogging down more at times. I call the 3.8 the little engine that could because no matter what circumstance I've thrown at it, it keeps on trucking. I just returned from Florida on routes 83, 81, and 84 up the east coast with 2000 to 2500 lbs in tow and 4 heavy plastic kayaks on a rack on the top of the jeep. There were some pretty steep grades where some tractor trailer trucks were bogging down to 40 or so mph. On those grades I had to downshift into 4th gear and I had the gas pedal to the floor to keep from falling below 55mph and reaching 65 was not possible on these grades. This is why I say that the size of the power plant is relative. Without the trailer attached, I would have had no problem maintaining 65 up those grades or even having enough power to pass while doing this.

This jeep is equipped well enough to do its intended work. When you take it off road and put it in 4 low, you will find that it will move you up very steep inclines and it will have plenty of torque doing so. This is where the jeep really shines. If you wanted to blow other car's doors off on roads and highways, then the jeep was a poor choice. It never has been a good choice for doing that with the stock engine. Putting a different engine in it is a whole different matter but I wouldn't spend all that money just to blow doors off. I would invest in another car for that purpose.
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I got my recall today. I called the stealership and the service guy explains that it is a reflash due to the temp setting kicking the light off prematurely. And, that the reflash will set the chime and oil light to come on at the correct temperature. Not sure I buy that response. What is the correct temp, up in flames? I have a factory tow package but still considering another cooler. Hitting the road to Colorado in August, last thing I want is tranny problems. Are they a simple install?
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I got my recall today. I called the stealership and the service guy explains that it is a reflash due to the temp setting kicking the light off prematurely. And, that the reflash will set the chime and oil light to come on at the correct temperature. Not sure I buy that response. What is the correct temp, up in flames? I have a factory tow package but still considering another cooler. Hitting the road to Colorado in August, last thing I want is tranny problems. Are they a simple install?
for maximum ATF4 life, the normal operating temp should be 170-180 degrees. you'll have a very happy automatic, and the fluid should last to around 100,000 miles. if a cooler is installed, a lower operating temp around 140-150 is ok too. below 140 though, especially in a cold region or winter, the trans has trouble warming up. it shifts funny, and it slips alot trying to warm itself up. that will eventually result in premature wear.

my normal operating temp is 200. that's the magic number. at 200 degrees, I just cut my ATF's life from 100,000 miles to 50,000. at 210-220 it's been cut to 25,000-30,000. the JK will ding and you'll get HOT OIL in this range. 220-240 it's wasted to around 10,000 miles, and 250 and higher it's ruined. the ATF boils and it basically burns up all the clutches, the rubber seals harden and blow, and delicate metal internal parts warp. basically it simply self-destructs.

now with this being said, it's not uncommon for a vehicle to touch the 200-210 degree mark. this is why it's recommended to change trans fluid 30,000-40,000. it covers your a** if the trans ever hit 200-210 degrees. it happens in heavy traffic, or high rpm loads, etc.

here's the problem with our 42RLE. some are already running at 200-210 degrees. folks like myself have now lost our insurance. we crank that thing up to 220-230 offroad or in heavy traffic...one step away from total meltdown due to the higher operating temps.

next time you drive your jeep, watch it's rpm's. each time you hit 3,000 or more, the ATF gets hotter. a shift from park to reverse generates heat. reverse to drive, more heat. 1st-2nd...heat. count all the times it shifts headed to work tomorrow. every single shift gets that fluid hotter. factor in downshifts and rpm's, these things are ovens. that's why fluid gets hot, the trans destroys itself by the time you know it's hot, slow down, and pull over. it shifts 3, 4, 20 times AFTER you get warned.

driving style can be changed to help reduce heat though. for example, around town and driving of 40mph or less, shut OD off. if you touch 42mph you shift in. go below, shifts out. imagine if you're maintaining a speed of 40. in out in out in out. unnecessary shifting. towing same thing, shut OD off. in heavy traffic? shift it into first. why let it shift to 2nd just so you can stop 10 feet down the road? if things are steady at 10-30 mph, use second. don't bounce in and out of 3rd. stuck offroad? don't rock too much. this is how I got mine hot. drive to reverse, reverse to drive, high RPM...it can't take too much. my other mistake, climb hills slow. I was in 4lo, 1st gear, at 4500rpms too long. if I went slower, at like 3,000rpm I bet I'd have been ok.

if you overheat, neutral, not park. even if you're going 85mph. a shift to neutral won't damage or affect braking. now pull over and STOP. engine OFF. that's how you cool it down the fastest. wait 10-30 minutes and drive it easy with OD off. after you pull over you can leave the engine on, but don't put it in park. neutral disengages the trans so RPM has no effect on it. in park, it's one with the engine, moving, idle, and not cooling as fast. it's wise to change the fluid ASAP after an overload since you have no clue how hot it got. and lastly, if it looks like ATF, smells like ATF, it's not 100% it's good. that just means it's not oxidized yet. it can oxidize in 5 minutes, then 5 miles later the trans is ruined.
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Thanks for the detailed post GroundHawg. After my post, I looked under the hood and as Daggo has mentioned in a previous post, the tow package comes with a factory cooler. Just below my power steering hoses I have two marked transmission lines running into a block just on the driver side of the radiator at the base. They are the only hoses out near the harmonic balancer at the front base of the engine in the big open area. Makes me feel a little more confident that I have a cooler already installed. Not sure what temp I am running, but it does give me a little peace of mind.

Thanks for the tips on wheeling and ATF life.
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no problem.

I think most folks are ok and in normal operating range. it's just the fact a few bad transmissions made it out the door onto the dealer lots. figures I'd get one of the bad ones

I've got an 07 tow package JK with the cooler as well. I'm still hot. it's almost like that cooler has done nothing. it is kinda dinky though looking at it. I will be adding a larger cooler though soon. I'm about 3,000-6,000 miles away from flushing my trans out, so I'll install a cooler with the fresh fluid and see how it acts. that's if I don't burn it up before then. I'm playing around with it trying to solve the torque chatter mystery that's common with JK's, so I'm screwing with the shift schedule and mixing, and modifying my ATF I've got a running gage plugged into my port monitoring the temp at all times though, so I should be ok.

but yeah, get an aftermarket cooler for sure. it's cheap insurance. this trans cost about 1600 to rebuild, and over 2 grand new. nice chunk of change, and a swap looks very difficult to pull off since the whole damn thing is digital/electronic controlled. take care of her, the 42RLE is pretty much all she likes
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The tow pkg for the JK's doesn't include the stock cooler in the A/C condenser

The A/C condenser is supplied in all the Jk's, but doesn't have a cooler unless you option A/C !!

Even then it's a cooler designed for a motercycle engine

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Now that I think about it, I don't think you can get the tow pkg--WITHOUT A/C anyway, so-there's your cooler


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The tow pkg for the JK's doesn't include the stock cooler in the A/C condenser

The A/C condenser is supplied in all the Jk's, but doesn't have a cooler unless you option A/C !!

Even then it's a cooler designed for a motercycle engine

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You can get the smaller B & M cooler, or get the JCWhitney, I installed and it's for an 18000GVW vehicle--keeps things really cool !!

OK, now I'm awake !!carry on !!

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Ya, just got back from dealership, they just "reset" the sensor for the transmission.......
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Ya, just got back from dealership, they just "reset" the sensor for the transmission.......
IMHO, the only reason for this is so that warranty coverage can be denied.

let's say you fry the trans. take it to jeep, and want a rebuild under warranty. jeep can now say "no. you have a warning system in place. it's operator error now. you failed to follow the warning and stop. it's your fault your trans had a meltdown"

ethical? no. right? no. looking out for customers? no. good business practice? no. save Chrysler money? yeah. cutting corners? yes. sh*t like this why Chrysler screwed the pooch in 2009? I think so
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I have a 2010 Jeep 2 door. The same thing with the hot oil light happened to us last weekend. We were on a 15% uphill grade following a Chevy (big as a barge) so at about 6 mph. Chime went off and check engine/hot oil light came on. Took the Jeep to the dealer, they said Jeep just screwed up in the design of the trannie cooler and that I should invest in a accessory cooler to the cost of over 500.00 to me Ain't that cool!
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I have a 2010 Jeep 2 door. The same thing with the hot oil light happened to us last weekend. We were on a 15% uphill grade following a Chevy (big as a barge) so at about 6 mph. Chime went off and check engine/hot oil light came on. Took the Jeep to the dealer, they said Jeep just screwed up in the design of the trannie cooler and that I should invest in a accessory cooler to the cost of over 500.00 to me Ain't that cool!
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Hey there, I own a 2009 wrangler rubicon . I never got anything in the mail about this recall , I have had the jeep for a year now. Is it just the wranglers that have this recall ? Does the recall include the rubicon?
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Any JK auto from '07 to'09 and some early '10 (?) need the recall J30 and

The easiest way for you to certify it is call your favorite dealer service dept, ask if you need that recall (J30) and give your VIN No.--they will tell you-

There's a website you can pullup, that does the same thing, but it won't give you all the info your service dept can get you !!

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Weird, I started thinking about a cooler about a month ago. If anyone was to get one, which would you choose for the 2010 Wrangler? I know you shouldn't have to buy one, as I agree with that philsophy. But, if you were going to purchase one, which one would you get?
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There's a B&M aux cooler that most guys use, but

My sys is way more complex than that, so

Google "JK auto tranny aux cooler" and you will get pages of info/diagrams/pt#-etc

Whichever one you get-the install is fairly easy and can be done from underneath, or over the radiator-if you have long arms ()

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