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Old 09-27-2010, 10:13 PM   #1
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Automatic or manual

Okay so I have my jeep jk manual trani and I got into an argument the other day.. Which ones better off the road an auto or a stick?

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Old 09-27-2010, 10:19 PM   #2
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Old 09-27-2010, 10:23 PM   #3
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Thats helpful
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Old 09-27-2010, 10:24 PM   #4
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Autos are known through the offroading world to be superior. Check out the majority of the hardcore rigs, they run autos. Or on the other hand you'll see guys with manuals, and a throttle control lever attached the shifter.

Unless you have 3 feet...thats a different story.


For your everyday basic offroading it will come down to driver preferance. One is not better vs. the other. But when trails start getting technical and harder, autos will always shine.
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Old 09-27-2010, 10:30 PM   #5
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I don't even care about this thread..... KBR has the best pic I have ever seen.... But yeah It's preference I think , my cousin got me into jeeps and he had a 5 Spd YJ so I went with a 5 Spd TJ , because it's what I'm comfortable with
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I agree the picture is awesome.

I prefer a stick over an auto. Well let me preface that with saying if I had a V-8 might prefer an auto. With the smaller engines I do prefer the manual. Also it depends on the kind of wheeling you plan to do. If you are a rock crawler then the auto might be better. If you are a blazing fast mud hole runner again auto, but for me I like trails I came from the pacific north wet where there are plenty of trails and I really liked power clutching around corners. So if you are a trail guy or a tower I would recommend a stick, If you are a rock crawler or mud dawber an auto.

This is just my preference don't want a flame war. I realized people will disagree, but you will never change my mind and I won't change yours so right off the bat lets agree to disagree.

That said as you can tell it is all preference. If you are comfortable with a stick go that route if you are comfortable with an auto go that route.

If you do go with a stick make sure you get one with a 3:73 gear ratio. It is an option but some smart dealers will order some that way or you can order it that way. It is only a $50 upgrade and I promise you you will not be sorry. (It will show on the window sticker what gear ratio it has)

The auto's already come with the 3:73.
If you go with a Rubicon they come with 4:11 stick or auto

Lastly "sticks rule!"
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[QUOTE=Geoff@Bestop;791529]Hey, hey! Now, don't you tell me you don't remember this thread, because I sure as heckfire remember it.



How did you get my picture!??! take it down now, wait I do like kinda manly.
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Ok...gotta ask, I'm not a techie, but the dealer did get the 3:73 ratio on my 6-spd. Why's that important? I hear people talking about changing to the 4:11 all the time?
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Ok...gotta ask, I'm not a techie, but the dealer did get the 3:73 ratio on my 6-spd. Why's that important? I hear people talking about changing to the 4:11 all the time?
I'm pretty sure the higher the gear ratio the larger the tires you can run? I bet it also makes you crawl alot slower but I bet you could climb alot more I would assume generally the higher the gear ratio the more torque you would have in 4lo? If I'm wrong please correct me
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I'm pretty sure the higher the gear ratio the larger the tires you can run? I bet it also makes you crawl alot slower but I bet you could climb alot more I would assume generally the higher the gear ratio the more torque you would have in 4lo? If I'm wrong please correct me
Ok close the higher the number the lower the gear ratio 373:1 is lower than 321:1 or 308:1

Here is the quick and dirty the higher the number the lower the gear ratio means more low end power less high end power.

321 will take a lot more motor to get the tires to turn but will get better gas mileage on the freeway. Trust me though 321 with stock tires will work but the bigger the tire the harder the motor will work to turn them meaning worse gas mileage around town, but better on the freeway. 373:1 is a pretty good average city/highway as far as I am concerned. I think it should be fine up to 35 inch tires unless you do a lot of freeway driving then I with 35's I would recommend 411 - 456. Stock Rubicon's come with 4:11.

Ok so really my suggestion is. get the 373 from the factory if you can. If you didn't or can't and you go 35 or bigger and decide you are going to change gears I would go to at least 411. If you have don't think you can do it later then buy a Rubicon and be done with it.

disclaimer: This is just suggestions based on my experiences. Opinions may differ. If you are a hard core wheeler and rarely if ever drive on the street you can go up into the 5's.

Just remember the higher the number the lower the ratio the more low end power.

If you are into motorcycles you can attain it like doing a sprocket kit
1 down on the front sprocket and two up in the rear will make you pop wheelies but drop your high end speed! <-- if that makes sense to anyone.

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When you twist your knee/ankle trying to right your rig or dig it out, you'll wish you had an auto.

When you're crawling and it pops out of gear or you miss the gear or your muddy boot slips off the clutch pedal, you'll wish you had an auto as you go slamming down the hill.

When you fry your clutch after the umpteenth water hole / mud bog and can't get it into gear to get up that last hill, you'll wish you had an auto.

When you've got to go to the bathroom really badly but you're on a tight trail with no place to pull over and go, you'll wish you had an auto.

If you saw the Steve Martin movie Parenthood and don't want to crash your Jeep, you'll wish you had an auto.
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Great...thanks adrenaline!
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This is the perfect thread to go along with the new wave thread we have. Thank you for starting it! Oh, almost forgot, the JK manual is just as good as automatic off-road because not many people realize it has a no stall feature.

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