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Old 12-23-2010, 03:03 PM   #31
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I have always had manuals. My jeep is a 6 speed and lots of fun. I feel like I have more control and engine breaking is nice.
You mean you BROKE your engine? Or did you mean engine BRAKING...
big difference between 'breaking' and 'braking'...makes it sound like a manual is going to break your engine....

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Daggo, long story short, she fell in love with it. It is loaded. Leather heated seats, moon roof, wood grain, A/C, etc, etc. She has trouble backing up and the Cruiser has the rear wheels very close to the rear of the car...translate...easy to drive. She loves it...I don't question...all is well!

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My only question about auto vs manual is reliability. Are the autos prone to undiagnosable issues like Chrysler transmissions? Every single Chrysler van we owned eventually would get stuck in "limp mode", where only 2nd gear was available. Replacing the transmission didn't fix this for long. Solution was to turn the van off and then on at speed to reset the computer, and to never use OD. (It would happen every time when decelerating in OD, but only every now and then if D was selected instead).

I enjoy driving a stick, but having to replace the clutch in every vehicle I owned at around 140k is an expensive drag - especially since I plan to buy a jeep with around 100k on it. My jeep will be on-road 99.5% of the time, but I am looking at a 6" suspension lift and 35" tires. I basically want whatever will cost me the least amount in maintenance and repairs over the next 10 years.

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Old 12-23-2010, 11:49 PM   #34
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I will NEVER return to an automatic.. Even with 2 screaming kids, bumper to bumper traffic and coffee in hand! My 2011 doesn't even do the roll back that my old Jetta did when on a steep hill stop
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I will NEVER return to an automatic.. Even with 2 screaming kids, bumper to bumper traffic and coffee in hand! My 2011 doesn't even do the roll back that my old Jetta did when on a steep hill stop
x2 The hill assist and no stall feature on newer JKs really even the playing field of Manuals vs Autos and you also get all the engine control and feel of your Jeep with a stick.

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Daggo, long story short, she fell in love with it. It is loaded. Leather heated seats, moon roof, wood grain, A/C, etc, etc. She has trouble backing up and the Cruiser has the rear wheels very close to the rear of the car...translate...easy to drive. She loves it...I don't question...all is well!
Woodgrain? On the outside?
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I will NEVER return to an automatic.. Even with 2 screaming kids, bumper to bumper traffic and coffee in hand! My 2011 doesn't even do the roll back that my old Jetta did when on a steep hill stop
Hey thanks jeepingirl.... You're the one that has nailed my decision to get a stick!!
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Woodgrain? On the outside?
Yep, its a woody!

Hmmmm....a standard woody....maybe I could add panels to the jeep!
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I have a 6 speed and I would not change it. I came from an auto car for 5 years but have driven many manuals and with the hill assist in the Jeep that really seals the deal. Its so fun to be able to have the control and it puts you in the drivers seat, you are piloting the Jeep, you act and it reacts...its cool to be the boss
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I'm still not used to the hill assist feature. The first time it kicked in I thought my brake was on! I just enjoy the manual. I also had an awesome uncle who not only taught me basic mechanics, but also taught me to 'dry my nails while turning a corner, shifting and drinking a soda'. His words, not mine. I am not a soccer mom with a manicure, nothing wrong with being one, it's just not me.
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My '99 TJ also has hill-assist. It's called the parking brake. With the right co-ordination between parking brake and clutch I can take off up a steep hill from a dead stop without rolling back one inch. My '75 CJ5 and '81 Scrambler also had this very useful feature
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Old 12-26-2010, 09:41 PM   #42
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Hell, my truck has that feature. It has enough torque that all I have to do is let the clutch out a little as I move my foot from the brake to the gas, and it won't roll an inch. Which is good, because the parking brake is a foot pedal on the S10....

There really hasn't been any discussion as to the reliability of the auto tranny though...

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^ the hand brake on the TJ can be your third leg with a manual, so I don't understand the need for hill-assist.

And I told myself I won't bag on the JK's, so no comment on the auto trannys.
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:15 AM   #44
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I like driving stick because it gives mw something to do while driving and its fun to be in complete control. The only times ive wanted an auto is when im running late so im eating breakfast on my way to school lol. But id go with a manual if i had the choice again
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I will never own a stick for my Jeep. Imagine this...You are 300' into a 600' sandstone hill climb and you are on a 20-30 degree slope and you must stop. If you let go of the brake even a little you will be rolling backwards and if you do not let out the clutch as smooth as possible the Jeep's front end will come over on you. I know it can be done, but getting your foot from the brake to the gas that fast can be very difficult and in some peoples case impossible. Yes I love sticks for sports cars and around town, but never in my Jeep.
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That's the only reason you bought an auto, for when you stop half way up your 600' climbs, this is a common thing for you? Serious question, not sarcasm.
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I will never own a stick for my Jeep. Imagine this...You are 300' into a 600' sandstone hill climb and you are on a 20-30 degree slope and you must stop. If you let go of the brake even a little you will be rolling backwards and if you do not let out the clutch as smooth as possible the Jeep's front end will come over on you. I know it can be done, but getting your foot from the brake to the gas that fast can be very difficult and in some peoples case impossible. Yes I love sticks for sports cars and around town, but never in my Jeep.

Then you obviously need a JK with HSA!
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My '99 TJ also has hill-assist. It's called the parking brake. With the right co-ordination between parking brake and clutch I can take off up a steep hill from a dead stop without rolling back one inch. My '75 CJ5 and '81 Scrambler also had this very useful feature
You shouldn't need the hand brake if you know the release point of your clutch.
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Manuals are prone to stalling. Constantly changing gears.

Autos tend to run away down hill. Excessive brake wear. Can take on water during river crossings and lose drive. Autos need fluid pressure to change gears. But autos are harder to stall
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On trails-manual. I put my jeep in first right after I air down and usually never touch the clutch the rest of the day till I'm done wheeling. Granted, I don't do much rocks, but stumps and logs have a lot of the same characteristics in getting over. I start and stop with the ignition and in gear (low range) and never had a hot clutch or failure yet. If I go faster than 4-5 miles an hour, I miss stuff in the great outdoors.

On long rides-auto...cause my wife can drive...lol...
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That's the only reason you bought an auto, for when you stop half way up your 600' climbs, this is a common thing for you? Serious question, not sarcasm.
Actually yes this a common thing for me. I do not live far from Moab and I make it down there to help their economy about 10 times a year in a good year. I live for those trips and my favorite trails are the sandstone hills. This of course is not the only reason I have an auto, but I could not do what I love to do safely in my mind without it, especially with my boys in the Jeep.
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I will never own a stick for my Jeep. Imagine this...You are 300' into a 600' sandstone hill climb and you are on a 20-30 degree slope and you must stop. If you let go of the brake even a little you will be rolling backwards and if you do not let out the clutch as smooth as possible the Jeep's front end will come over on you. I know it can be done, but getting your foot from the brake to the gas that fast can be very difficult and in some peoples case impossible. Yes I love sticks for sports cars and around town, but never in my Jeep.
If you are in a standard, or auto, you would obviously be climbing in 4 low. No clutch needed to stop and go. turn the vehicle off to stop and also start it in gear. Never touch the clutch or even the brake sometimes. If your jeep has the cut out switch in the ignition, this is what it is for. The gear ratio is low enough that you can actually climb a log or a stump with it in gear and by just turning the ignition and letting the starter do the work. Also works great for steep downhills
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Actually yes this a common thing for me. I do not live far from Moab and I make it down there to help their economy about 10 times a year in a good year. I live for those trips and my favorite trails are the sandstone hills. This of course is not the only reason I have an auto, but I could not do what I love to do safely in my mind without it, especially with my boys in the Jeep.
Okay, yeah I can understand with you living so close to Moab, and it being safer, and easier. As someone has said 4lo is a pretty safe solution in that situation with either transmission.
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I will never own a stick for my Jeep. Imagine this...You are 300' into a 600' sandstone hill climb and you are on a 20-30 degree slope and you must stop. If you let go of the brake even a little you will be rolling backwards and if you do not let out the clutch as smooth as possible the Jeep's front end will come over on you. I know it can be done, but getting your foot from the brake to the gas that fast can be very difficult and in some peoples case impossible. Yes I love sticks for sports cars and around town, but never in my Jeep.
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Heh Heh, this post will go on as long as we have sticks/autos !

I've already said that I'll never have a stick in a jeep again and another reason is, changing the clutch, machining flywheel, replacing throwout brg, is all expensive, even if you doit yourself !

I don't know for a fact, but I assume that the new JK "no stall" feature is a computer controlled throwout brg % pressure, that lets the clutch SLIP-I think ths will cause premature wear on clutchs-

Maybe some JK owners with sticks, and over 40,000 miles (having used the "no stall" a lot) will chime in !

Just like the ESP sys causes premature wear on rear brake pads and

The major reason I'll never have another stick in my jeep is

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So, I drove the 2013 auto and stick, 3.73 gears in both. That auto is the best auto I've ever driven. it shifted fast and precisely, under all conditions. The manual was fun, and I've always had manuals, and the manual is cheaper, all of which are reasons I wanted a manual... but I'm not so sure. With a 6-speed manual transmission, that's an awful lot of shifting. True, I can start off in 2nd pretty easily... the big thing is, I don't think I could ever shift the manual as quickly as the auto shifts. The 2013 has one hell of a motor, and when stomped the auto just takes off. The manual does too, but I don't think I could shift fast enough to win a drag against an auto. Auto also has more leg room because the clutch is actually much closer than the gas and brake, and that doesn't leave a lot of place to put my left foot. With the auto and the doors off, I can hang my left leg outside on the running boards for even more legroom.

I do really like driving a stick... and I like having a ready-made excuse: "no, you can't borrow it, you don't know how to drive a stick"... but at this point I'm really not sure which I would enjoy more.

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So, I drove the 2013 auto and stick, 3.73 gears in both. That auto is the best auto I've ever driven. it shifted fast and precisely, under all conditions. The manual was fun, and I've always had manuals, and the manual is cheaper, all of which are reasons I wanted a manual... but I'm not so sure. With a 6-speed manual transmission, that's an awful lot of shifting. True, I can start off in 2nd pretty easily... the big thing is, I don't think I could ever shift the manual as quickly as the auto shifts. The 2013 has one hell of a motor, and when stomped the auto just takes off. The manual does too, but I don't think I could shift fast enough to win a drag against an auto. Auto also has more leg room because the clutch is actually much closer than the gas and brake, and that doesn't leave a lot of place to put my left foot. With the auto and the doors off, I can hang my left leg outside on the running boards for even more legroom.

I do really like driving a stick... and I like having a ready-made excuse: "no, you can't borrow it, you don't know how to drive a stick"... but at this point I'm really not sure which I would enjoy more.

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I've never known anyone who has an auto to say I wish I had the manual. Other way around? Oh, yes, tons of them...
Add me to the list.. Drove an auto for the past year and a half and hated it.. Missed my manual in my YJ. So glad I got it in the new JK
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