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Old 05-15-2011, 12:05 AM   #1
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axle help, 4.88, dana 44, etc.

Ok i'll admit I don't know the first thing about axles and what exactly goes in one and what is in a brand name. That being said I have done enough research to know I want a 4.88 in the back and someone mentioned a D44 in the front... now is a D44 only one ratio of gear? How should I go about buying the right axle? I am so lost please help guide me. I don't know where else to look. I don't want to go to a dealer they are biased. I am not going to do lot's of rock crawling so I don't need the biggest beast of an axle. Help me configure my setup pweeese? I'll buy you a round of beer if u drink beer

I was told that suspension and regearing should be first so I am working on those right now. And it is difficult for a noob like me that knows a chip of the block.

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Whatever ratio you decide you want (looks to be 4.88s), you need to change the gears in the front and rear to be the same - in this case 4.88s.

The D44 is just the type of axle - like the Rubicon has a Dana 44 up front and in the rear. The type of axle is semi-independent of the gear ratio (some axles have more options for gear ratios).

What size tires are you going to run? What transmission do you have? Heck, what Jeep do you have?

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Ok i'll admit I don't know the first thing about axles and what exactly goes in one and what is in a brand name. That being said I have done enough research to know I want a 4.88 in the back and someone mentioned a D44 in the front... now is a D44 only one ratio of gear? How should I go about buying the right axle? I am so lost please help guide me. I don't know where else to look. I don't want to go to a dealer they are biased. I am not going to do lot's of rock crawling so I don't need the biggest beast of an axle. Help me configure my setup pweeese? I'll buy you a round of beer if u drink beer

I was told that suspension and regearing should be first so I am working on those right now. And it is difficult for a noob like me that knows a chip of the block.

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Wow.. OK First of WELCOME TO WF.. Second of all you very confused me thinks.. Axles are ie. D30, D35, D44, D60, F8.8.. Gearing is what goes in the axles. Witch is ie. 3.73, 4.10, 4.56, 4.88. 5.13, 538.. You need the same gearing in the front and rear axle to use 4wd...

Now let me ask why do you think you need a new front or rear or both axle(s)? If you have a JK witch im gusing you do cause you posted in the JK section, You already have a D44 rear and either a D30 or D44 front (rubicon only). G

Gearing has to do with tire size, so the best time to regear is just after you upgrade in tire size.. If you plan to stay with the stock JK tire size your stock gearing will be just fine. Once you go up in tire size that is when you will need to regear and obviously get some lift to clear the tires..
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Whatever ratio you decide you want (looks to be 4.88s), you need to change the gears in the front and rear to be the same - in this case 4.88s.

The D44 is just the type of axle - like the Rubicon has a Dana 44 up front and in the rear. The type of axle is semi-independent of the gear ratio (some axles have more options for gear ratios).

What size tires are you going to run? What transmission do you have? Heck, what Jeep do you have?
Yeah i looked at a chart of gears in relation to tire size and for my 6 speed transmission in the 2010 Jeep JK it said 4.56 or 4.88 are ideal. I decided to go with 4.88. so my stock jeep is running 3.21. I don't know which Dana axle they are. It isn't a Rubi. I want to do about a 3 inch lift (i have been looking at Rusty's, OME, teraflex, and rock crawler I have no idea which one to get). I want a cozy comfortable ride on and off road and I want to thrash the trails). Tires i want to go with 35 inches.

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Wow.. OK First of WELCOME TO WF.. Second of all you very confused me thinks.. Axles are ie. D30, D35, D44, D60, F8.8.. Gearing is what goes in the axles. Witch is ie. 3.73, 4.10, 4.56, 4.88. 5.13, 538.. You need the same gearing in the front and rear axle to use 4wd...

Now let me ask why do you think you need a new front or rear or both axle(s)? If you have a JK witch im gusing you do cause you posted in the JK section, You already have a D44 rear and either a D30 or D44 front (rubicon only). G

Gearing has to do with tire size, so the best time to regear is just after you upgrade in tire size.. If you plan to stay with the stock JK tire size your stock gearing will be just fine. Once you go up in tire size that is when you will need to regear and obviously get some lift to clear the tires..
I was told that suspension and regearing come first then tires are last, so that is the order I am going. I am going to go with 35 inch tires and a 3 inch lift as i noted above in this reply. It's not a Rubi


So how do I know which Dana axle i want? im very confused.
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Yeah i looked at a chart of gears in relation to tire size and for my 6 speed transmission in the 2010 Jeep JK it said 4.56 or 4.88 are ideal. I decided to go with 4.88. so my stock jeep is running 3.21. I don't know which Dana axle they are. It isn't a Rubi. I want to do about a 3 inch lift (i have been looking at Rusty's, OME, teraflex, and rock crawler I have no idea which one to get). I want a cozy comfortable ride on and off road and I want to thrash the trails). Tires i want to go with 35 inches.



I was told that suspension and regearing come first then tires are last, so that is the order I am going. I am going to go with 35 inch tires and a 3 inch lift as i noted above in this reply. It's not a Rubi


So how do I know which Dana axle i want? im very confused.
You want the axles you have under it now.. No need to go to 1ton axles until you get up around 38's or larger. And then what gearing you will want depends on wether you have a auto or standard transmision.. If memory serves me correct you will want for 35's, 5.13's if you got a auto and 5.38's if you got a stick
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You want the axles you have under it now.. No need to go to 1ton axles until you get up around 38's or larger. And then what gearing you will want depends on wether you have a auto or standard transmision.. If memory serves me correct you will want for 35's, 5.13's if you got a auto and 5.38's if you got a stick
First of all are you saying the stock axle is fine and I can just change out the gears without a whole new axle?

second, I have a stick and if you look at this chart, with 35 inch tires it shows by color which size gears I need. Here is the chart I found on jeepforum.com but im also considereing the 4.56 too

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First of all are you saying the stock axle is fine and I can just change out the gears without a whole new axle?

second, I have a stick and if you look at this chart, with 35 inch tires it shows by color which size gears I need. Here is the chart I found on jeepforum.com but im also considereing the 4.56 too

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1. Yep, you only need to change the gearing in your stock axles
2. You link only leads to the jeep forum registration page, but hey perhaps im wrong but from what I have read and been told in a JK with a standard tranny you want either 5.13's or 5.38's.. Someone else can correct me if im wrong.
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ask around and talk to people with the 6 speed stick, and 35 inch tires. just cause the chart says you should run it, does not mean its right for your situation. if you do a lot of highway driving, then the gears you want will be different then if your jeep spends all its time on the trail. and yes, the d30 up front will hold up to 35s.
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1. Yep, you only need to change the gearing in your stock axles
2. You link only leads to the jeep forum registration page, but hey perhaps im wrong but from what I have read and been told in a JK with a standard tranny you want either 5.13's or 5.38's.. Someone else can correct me if im wrong.
No your right but that is for automatic...
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ask around and talk to people with the 6 speed stick, and 35 inch tires. just cause the chart says you should run it, does not mean its right for your situation. if you do a lot of highway driving, then the gears you want will be different then if your jeep spends all its time on the trail. and yes, the d30 up front will hold up to 35s.
Ok well if they are quality axles and very capable of my modifications then i will keep them. but yes I have talked to some people in the forums and most are using at least 3.73 to 4.88 in the manual Jeep... plus I am going to be using bigger tires so I am really close to getting the 4.56 or 4.88... as long as the D30 will hold those gears.

Would getting a stylish gear case cover be ok?
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No your right but that is for automatic...
4.88 or 5.13 are where you want to be. 4.56 is just not gone be enough. it will be a dog on the highway. like i said, just cause the chart says something, doesnt mean its what you want to do. you will see a lot of people on here are running 4.56 for 33s, and have found that to be the best all around set up, does not lug the motor out on the road, and does well on the trails. the issue with running gears that are to tall(numerically lower) is you can lug the engine, and keep it out of its power band while on the highway, and driving around. when that happens, you end up doing more harm then good.

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go for it

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4.88 or 5.13 are where you want to be. 4.56 is just not gone be enough. it will be a dog on the highway. like i said, just cause the chart says something, doesnt mean its what you want to do. you will see a lot of people on here are running 4.56 for 33s, and have found that to be the best all around set up, does not lug the motor out on the road, and does well on the trails. the issue with running gears that are to tall(numerically lower) is you can lug the engine, and keep it out of its power band while on the highway, and driving around. when that happens, you end up doing more harm then good.



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awesome thanks for the advice you just tipped me towards the 4.88 gears. And I would love to add a stylish gear case cover like the ones from poison spyder. So my next question, would you mind helping me shop for the right brand or whatever else I will need for this operation? Thanks for any help.
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awesome thanks for the advice you just tipped me towards the 4.88 gears. And I would love to add a stylish gear case cover like the ones from poison spyder. So my next question, would you mind helping me shop for the right brand or whatever else I will need for this operation? Thanks for any help.
define operation?
those stylish gear cases, also called diff covers, help protect the innards of your axles from rocks and damage. and armor is never a bad thing.
as far as lift goes, u said you wanted 3 inches? take a look in the lift review thread in this section, there are a few in there IIRC.
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define operation?
those stylish gear cases, also called diff covers, help protect the innards of your axles from rocks and damage. and armor is never a bad thing.
as far as lift goes, u said you wanted 3 inches? take a look in the lift review thread in this section, there are a few in there IIRC.
No i mean do you know where to find the 4.88 gears that are best and what all i will need for the installation?
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No i mean do you know where to find the 4.88 gears that are best and what all i will need for the installation?
find a local shop. gears are not something your average backyard mechanic does. they are very time consuming, and labor intensive. if they are not set up perfect, they will become a big problem. do it right and have a good shop do the install. it will not be cheap, but this is one of those things where its worth it to spend the money to have a shop do the instal.
now lots of people time it so that when they have new gear sets installed, they also have lockers installed. just a thought if u think u will want them down the road.
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find a local shop. gears are not something your average backyard mechanic does. they are very time consuming, and labor intensive. if they are not set up perfect, they will become a big problem. do it right and have a good shop do the install. it will not be cheap, but this is one of those things where its worth it to spend the money to have a shop do the instal.
now lots of people time it so that when they have new gear sets installed, they also have lockers installed. just a thought if u think u will want them down the road.
This is exactly what I mean... what are my options.. you mention lockers? I don't even know what those are to be perfectly honest... i mean i have an idea but not for sure... can you tell me any other things i need to know?? I want lockers I'm pretty sure... what other things do i need to know before i change out those axles? I can't put on 35 inch tires yet because i need the lift for that too right? man i need someone that can walk me through the ins and outs of this project. I guess a 4x4 shop would be a good place to start instead of the forums.
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You have D30 front axle and D44 rear with 6 speed manual 3.21 stock gears if I got everything correct from your post.

Saying that 3.21 should have never been put in any Jeep IMO. But if your going to 35" tires then your right about the gears you need. The thing is 4.56 gears are hard to find for a D30 axle. At least quality gears. So that leaves you with 4.88 or 5.13's. 538's are not made for the D30 axle either.

So that leaves a choice of 4.88 or 5.13. The chart for the manual is putting you in 4.88 for the best choice. I would suggest for the best gears in 4.88 size is Yukons. They have a no noise guarantee. One of the only USA gears with that guarantee. Not to say other gears are bad but Yukon is the best when it comes to quality and noise.

So 4.88 Yukons for 35" tires

If you have the money, a limited slip carrier or selectable locker would be a good choice in your front axle also if you plan on any off roading. Right now you have an open differential in your front axle. It is cheaper to do the change while doing the regearing. Just a thought
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This is exactly what I mean... what are my options.. you mention lockers? I don't even know what those are to be perfectly honest... i mean i have an idea but not for sure... can you tell me any other things i need to know?? I want lockers I'm pretty sure... what other things do i need to know before i change out those axles? I can't put on 35 inch tires yet because i need the lift for that too right? man i need someone that can walk me through the ins and outs of this project. I guess a 4x4 shop would be a good place to start instead of the forums.
I recommend you slow down a bit and think about what you really need or want. Do you want a Jeep to cruise around town in and look cool? If so you definitely don't need lockers. If you're going with 35" tires you're going to need a 4" lift. A good one can be expensive. Re-gearing can be pretty expensive too. If you've never driven a 4" lifted Jeep with 35" tires find someone that will let you drive theirs. You may not like it. They drive and handle much differently than a stock Jeep. Not to mention you'll have to re-calibrate your speedometer. If you plan to go off road depending on the type of trails you MIGHT need lockers. Take your time and read a lot on this and other Jeep forums. Do NOT go to a 4X4 dealer and ask them what you need. They'll sell you everything in the store.
BTW I've got an '03 Rubicon with 4" lift, 35s, D44s front and rear, 5 speed, 5.13 gears, etc. etc.. I also have a '92 YJ, 4.0, 5 spd, 4", 33s, 8.8, 4.88 gears, ARBs front & rear, etc, etc.. Plus a '68 CJ5 with a Dauntless V6.
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I recommend you slow down a bit and think about what you really need or want. Do you want a Jeep to cruise around town in and look cool? If so you definitely don't need lockers. If you're going with 35" tires you're going to need a 4" lift. A good one can be expensive. Re-gearing can be pretty expensive too. If you've never driven a 4" lifted Jeep with 35" tires find someone that will let you drive theirs. You may not like it. They drive and handle much differently than a stock Jeep. Not to mention you'll have to re-calibrate your speedometer. If you plan to go off road depending on the type of trails you MIGHT need lockers. Take your time and read a lot on this and other Jeep forums. Do NOT go to a 4X4 dealer and ask them what you need. They'll sell you everything in the store.
BTW I've got an '03 Rubicon with 4" lift, 35s, D44s front and rear, 5 speed, 5.13 gears, etc. etc.. I also have a '92 YJ, 4.0, 5 spd, 4", 33s, 8.8, 4.88 gears, ARBs front & rear, etc, etc.. Plus a '68 CJ5 with a Dauntless V6.
So believe me when I tell you, you can spend a LOT of money on Jeeps.
Hey thank you very much for the sound advice. I have read a whole lot of lift descriptions that say 3 inch lift will clear 35 inch tires. And many other people in the forums have said the same thing. Now you say 4 inch lift? Are you positive on this? Why do you think differently than the others?
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Hey thank you very much for the sound advice. I have read a whole lot of lift descriptions that say 3 inch lift will clear 35 inch tires. And many other people in the forums have said the same thing. Now you say 4 inch lift? Are you positive on this? Why do you think differently than the others?
with the JK, you do not need 4 inches to run 35s. 3 inches should do you well, and there are a few here doing it on 2 with flat fenders.
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Hey thank you very much for the sound advice. I have read a whole lot of lift descriptions that say 3 inch lift will clear 35 inch tires. And many other people in the forums have said the same thing. Now you say 4 inch lift? Are you positive on this? Why do you think differently than the others?
I think he is thinking about the TJ/LJ.. The JK you only need a 2.5in to clear 35's.. 3-4in lift for 35's on a JK will give you definently enough room for them and some clearence to flex..
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with the JK, you do not need 4 inches to run 35s. 3 inches should do you well, and there are a few here doing it on 2 with flat fenders.
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I think he is thinking about the TJ/LJ.. The JK you only need a 2.5in to clear 35's.. 3-4in lift for 35's on a JK will give you definently enough room for them and some clearence to flex..
Well here is the thing I don't want to do anything half a$$ so I am not just wanting to clear 35's just to clear them. I mean I want to have 35's with all the abilities and range of motion that I can get so if this means I need wheel spacers, different fenders, and a larger lift I will do it, I need to know that 35's will not limit any movements with a 3 inch lift.
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Well here is the thing I don't want to do anything half a$$ so I am not just wanting to clear 35's just to clear them. I mean I want to have 35's with all the abilities and range of motion that I can get so if this means I need wheel spacers, different fenders, and a larger lift I will do it, I need to know that 35's will not limit any movements with a 3 inch lift.
3 inches and you will be good to go.
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3 inches and you will be good to go.
ok thank u!

Looks like a 3 inch lift and 4.88 Yukon gears are the way to go since most people keep telling me to get the 4.88's

Now for the hard part which lift do i want!!! AAAAHHHHH!!!! Such a tough choice man I don't know the least bit about lift kits tbh.

I saw Rusty's Offroad 3.25 inch kit on Stacey David's TV show called Gearz on the Speed channel. I must say that thing looked awesome. I also hear people talk about OME but I looked at the kit and it looks almost incomplete to me... Rusty's comes with everything, I am also thinking teraflex, rough country, or rock crawler, oh and then there is also AEV. Man I have no idea which one I will want. I do want a comfortable ride though when I am driving 800+ miles, and going down country roads
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if it were me, id go with rock krawler. but thats just me. maybe AEV if rock krawler was not an option.
another place to check out would be DPG Off road. they have OME hybrid kits that come with all the bells and whistles. DPG Off Road
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You have D30 front axle and D44 rear with 6 speed manual 3.21 stock gears if I got everything correct from your post.

Saying that 3.21 should have never been put in any Jeep IMO. But if your going to 35" tires then your right about the gears you need. The thing is 4.56 gears are hard to find for a D30 axle. At least quality gears. So that leaves you with 4.88 or 5.13's. 538's are not made for the D30 axle either.

So that leaves a choice of 4.88 or 5.13. The chart for the manual is putting you in 4.88 for the best choice. I would suggest for the best gears in 4.88 size is Yukons. They have a no noise guarantee. One of the only USA gears with that guarantee. Not to say other gears are bad but Yukon is the best when it comes to quality and noise.

So 4.88 Yukons for 35" tires

If you have the money, a limited slip carrier or selectable locker would be a good choice in your front axle also if you plan on any off roading. Right now you have an open differential in your front axle. It is cheaper to do the change while doing the regearing. Just a thought
If I have the money get a limited slip carrier or selectable lockers?? Can someone help me with that one? I'm clueless to what that is.
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if it were me, id go with rock krawler. but thats just me. maybe AEV if rock krawler was not an option.
another place to check out would be DPG Off road. they have OME hybrid kits that come with all the bells and whistles. DPG Off Road
Nice I'll check it out
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I think he is thinking about the TJ/LJ.. The JK you only need a 2.5in to clear 35's.. 3-4in lift for 35's on a JK will give you definently enough room for them and some clearence to flex..
Sorry, I was referring to 4" lift needed to clear 35s on a TJ.
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I am a vendor on the WF. I would like to help facilitate your purchases if you are looking for a one stop shopping experience. Rock Krawler is the ultimate in suspension on the market right now (personal and others opinion). Their warranty is "if you break they will replace it." There are others and I sell most of them including Currie Enterprises, Zone Offroad, Full Traction, and many more. Three inches will be more than sufficient for clearing 35s.

As far as the gears etc goes, with a 6spd, you should go with 4.88s for an all around gear ratio. Go with 5.13s for more "uumph" when accelerating and offroading. If you plan on a lot of crawling, stick with the 5.13s. There is a 5.38 set of gears available for the JK D30 front. They are manufactured by Richmond. I have not personally met anyone with them yet. I do however sell them if you want to go with 37s at some point.

The front carrier will need to be replaced when doing the new gears. You should at this point replace it with a "locker" if you want full traction offroad in the front. This will save you labor costs from having to pay and have it installed later when you decide you needed or want one. You could also get an "open" carrier (no locking device) now and install a "lunchbox" type locker (Google it) later easily in your driveway in a couple of hours.

I have a sale going in the vendors section on a re-gearing package and suspensions. Search the vendors section for "AOR" to see all the sales I have going. I also have other deals not listed there. If you have any questions or would like to order something, please send me a PM.

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burr_83,

I am a vendor on the WF. I would like to help facilitate your purchases if you are looking for a one stop shopping experience. Rock Krawler is the ultimate in suspension on the market right now (personal and others opinion). Their warranty is "if you break they will replace it." There are others and I sell most of them including Currie Enterprises, Zone Offroad, Full Traction, and many more. Three inches will be more than sufficient for clearing 35s.

As far as the gears etc goes, with a 6spd, you should go with 4.88s for an all around gear ratio. Go with 5.13s for more "uumph" when accelerating and offroading. If you plan on a lot of crawling, stick with the 5.13s. There is a 5.38 set of gears available for the JK D30 front. They are manufactured by Richmond. I have not personally met anyone with them yet. I do however sell them if you want to go with 37s at some point.

The front carrier will need to be replaced when doing the new gears. You should at this point replace it with a "locker" if you want full traction offroad in the front. This will save you labor costs from having to pay and have it installed later when you decide you needed or want one. You could also get an "open" carrier (no locking device) now and install a "lunchbox" type locker (Google it) later easily in your driveway in a couple of hours.

I have a sale going in the vendors section on a re-gearing package and suspensions. Search the vendors section for "AOR" to see all the sales I have going. I also have other deals not listed there. If you have any questions or would like to order something, please send me a PM.

Have a blessed and prosperous day!

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PERFECT! I'm so glad you came along with what appears to be non biased advice on a layout for what i basically need. I've spent hours on here today and I really need to talk to someone that knows a lot about this stuff, I am trying to stay away from talking to business owners or reps because I know there will be hidden interests. I appreciate you taking the time to give me your feedback and advice.

Funny you mentioned Rock Krawlers, i read many reviews and people love them. I went to their website they seem like really nice lift kits.

I think after reading further in the forums my main concern now is if I want to just go bigger now and not be out the money to do it later (Because a LOT of people are saying "i wish i had gone bigger" or "i need bigger" hahahaha) I don't want to regret not getting a 4" and 37's But at the same time I just want something that is going to be reliable and not just crazy big because I am not going to be offroading as much as onroading probably, so I think I need to find that happy medium which is 4.88 and 35's. For my first time I think that will be a wise choice in setup don't you?

I will PM you! thanks again!

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