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Old 01-22-2013, 10:14 PM   #1
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Axle reinforcement :)

Alright guys i have a lot of mods sitting in my basement awaiting springtime to be installed.

My next purchase is going to be front axle gussets/sleeves

I have been reading a lot on these and have blown through many threads. Basically im looking for what you guys have done and what you think I should do with my current situation.

Money is not a problem with me-no im not even close to rich but i want it done right the first time. I dont want to have to go back and re-weld/rip apart broken items. But i would like to see options.

C Gussets? I understand the support of the shotty C's on the dana 30. Any conversation about this is very welcome the more i learn the better. Suggestions of gussets? Synergy? RK?

Sleeves? From what I understand the Sleeves are for the axle housing itself to stop bending? Again insight on this and suggestions of sleeves?

Im getting the gussets for sure but is the sleeve necessary? I will be mudding/ going what i would say at a medium offroad level. No rock crawling.

Ill be running 35(315s) duratracs on 16inch wheels so the weight is minimal compared to others for 35s.

As always thanks a bunch guys and if you know a good thread link me. I may have missed it.

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I'm about to do this too.

Looking at TF gussets and sleeves vs Evo gusset/sleeves/LCA skids

I was on the "other" JK forum and WOL noted that gussets were the bare minimum, sleeves were were nice to have but not necessary. (post 39)

Who makes the best sleeves and gussets

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I'm about to do this too.

Looking at TF gussets and sleeves vs Evo gusset/sleeves/LCA skids

I was on the "other" JK forum and WOL noted that gussets were the bare minimum, sleeves were were nice to have but not necessary. (post 39)

Who makes the best sleeves and gussets
great thread thanks man. I was just browsing through that forum now to find some info lol. Not my favorite forum but it has some good info.

ANyone else?
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Bump.. looking into this myself. At the moment I am thinking Synergy gussets and Nitro sleeves. Gussets will likely happen first.
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I posted in my thread. I would def do the C's and sleeve the 30
Good time to do the ballpoints as well. Complete crap and will need to be done anyways.

That's it. All this money some spend on these truss kits. People go nuts and don't do the type of wheeling that support it.

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I wouldn't waste the money on sleeves with the options available today, IMO. They are better than nothing, without a doubt. They were extremely popular early when JKs came out..because there was no other option. But compared to an Artec truss, they pale in comparison.

The sleeves do not go completely into the cast housing, I've seen sleeved axles bend. Also they offer extremely little torsional rigidity increase. Where-as a truss offers substantially more torsional rigidity, more bending resistance being tied to the housing and also doesn't limit future axle spline counts like sleeves.

....and don't even bother with those hammer-in sleeves. What a joke those are! absolutely NO torsional rigidity in the tube and they have to have a certain amount of slop to be able to knock in as a "press fit". If your tube is already deformed, even slightly, they can be a complete nightmare.

I don't think it's a "do you wheel like this" kind of decision between the two. What it is, is something you only want to do once. The sleeves, in my opinion aren't worth the investment and time.
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If you go with the trusses do you still need the C's?
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If you go with the trusses do you still need the C's?
Yes, you need C-gussets with a Truss. The coil springs still end up in the same place..
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What about rusty's off road axle truss/gusset kit:
http://www.rustysoffroad.com/rustys-...usset-kit.html
I've seen other builders parts used from here and they are great. This kit seems to be just as good. I think I may buy it this summer
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Rustys gussets look okay, but the "truss" gusset..things..look to be pretty weak. Again on torsional rigidity, they provide pretty much none. They also weld extremely low on the cast housing.
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Are the trusses only needed for Dana 30 axles? If I have a Dana 44 up front, and only do mild wheeling, do I need to add anything besides C-gussets?
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Are the trusses only needed for Dana 30 axles? If I have a Dana 44 up front, and only do mild wheeling, do I need to add anything besides C-gussets?
JK Dana 30s and Dana 44s share the same axle tubes [weak] and C's [weak].

So yes, it's needed just as bad with a D44 as a D30..
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so goodysgotacuda, you recommend the artec truss and a gusset kit? Any other trusses out there you seen that look substantial?
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so goodysgotacuda, you recommend the artec truss and a gusset kit? Any other trusses out there you seen that look substantial?
I've installed one and can say it's the most complete and stoutest I've seen. I have a PureJeep truss on mine, but that is only because I bought it before the Artec came out. I've considered removing it for the Artec, but with plans for front coil-overs and such..I'd still have to alter anything I have on there.
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Wow the artec truss looks like a great kit. And that's a pretty good price too. That might be on my summer mod list
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There is a misconception that the D30 needs all this support to be ran successfully but the D44 is stronger, when the fact is anything considered for the D30 to beef it up should be considered for the D44 as well since they are same save for the R&P. Most jeepers and JK’ers do not wheel hard enough to break the stock axles. Tons of guys running 37’s on D30’s with no problems.

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Wow the artec truss looks like a great kit. And that's a pretty good price too. That might be on my summer mod list
Just be sure to call around on the labor. The process is fairly extensive to burn it in, but it's the best I've seen thus far..
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Just be sure to call around on the labor. The process is fairly extensive to burn it in, but it's the best I've seen thus far..
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I have been trying to do my research with 37s on the dana 30 and it seems that if I do come across an axle that has failed, its because it was locked...I plan on keeping my dana 30 unlocked with minor mods to run 37s
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I have been trying to do my research with 37s on the dana 30 and it seems that if I do come across an axle that has failed, its because it was locked...I plan on keeping my dana 30 unlocked with minor mods to run 37s
Since locking it actually reduces the stress on each independent axle shaft, the failure will be more catastrophic rather than more frequent. Maybe a ring and pinion failure will be what goes with a locker, but I bet you blow through more U-joints unlocked... Pick your fuse.
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I have been trying to do my research with 37s on the dana 30 and it seems that if I do come across an axle that has failed, its because it was locked...I plan on keeping my dana 30 unlocked with minor mods to run 37s
My D30 is locked with 5.13, going up to 37's next. Not even a 2nd thought about it.

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JK Dana 30s and Dana 44s share the same axle tubes [weak] and C's [weak].

So yes, it's needed just as bad with a D44 as a D30..
^ Agree completely! Some people think because they have a 44 up front they don't have to worry about axle strength. Serious off road use with 35" and up should come with beefing up the "C"s and trussing the tubes.
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wow the information here is unbeatable thank you guys. We should skicky this thread.

In all reality it seems as though trusses and sleeves do the same job just at different positions.

That cheap kit called rustys or whatever seems well cheap. Artec industries however seems legit and the price is very good. Anyone have a link to the kit that provides the truss and C's together? I cant seem to find it.
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Wow. Artec is getting rich on here.
I willing to put money on most of you guys don't wheel hard enough to need truss.
If you do, obviously doesn't apply to you.
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LOL, The axle truss kit also excels against shopping carts and parking curbs. Saw a guy snap an axle at IKEA, wasn't trussed. Go figure!
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I am going with TeraFlex gusset and sleeve kit. I don't need a truss. AEV 3.5", 35's, mild/medium wheeling and moderate/high speed fire roads is how I roll.

IMHO if you are going to truss it, why not just go 60's and be done with it?! Remember truss kits are just as susceptible to things going wrong (improper welding/cooling = tweaking the axle, e-locker actuator being damaged by welding heat and being stuck in lock mode) or being difficult to install like sleeves!

Overkill for me is definitely the TF kit. The truss is for extreme wheelers who just don't want to go 60's IMHO. Best of luck in your selection of components.

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