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Old 03-04-2014, 09:01 PM   #1
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Red face Backup Camera Help

Ok...I know that I'm asking the same questions that have already been asked and I've spent hours upon hours searching the forum and reading backup camera threads. My brain is so much in overload right now that I just may not be processing things correctly. May I ask a few questions?

I just special ordered a 2014 JKU in Amp'd. I got the 730N radio. I would like to install a backup camera. Here's my problem...is there a reasonable option out there that will work with a standard transmission?? It seems that everything I have read says that I'm screwed unless I have an automatic.

I'm also reading that NavTV is the way to go instead of Lock Pick.

Can some fellow JK standard transmission and 730N owners please give me some advice?

Also, I think I'm reading that any night vision camera will work well if I'm planning on drilling into the bumper?

Thanks so much for helping this chick out on her first post for her very first Jeep.

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Unless something has drastically changed with regard to the 730n reverse function between a 2012 and 2014, you'll be just fine. I haven't seen anything that it has, and many have installed a back up camera on the 430n.

I installed a backup camera, with NavTV in my 2012 with manual transmission. Worked perfect.

Just ordered a NavTV for my 2014 (manual with 730n).

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Old 03-04-2014, 09:20 PM   #3
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And yes, IMO, NavTV is the way to go. I had a Lockpick originally, and found it very buggy. Some have had success, but I prefer the true plug and play of NavTV.

Regardless, the NavTV customer service is top notch, and the Lockpick customer service is almost non existent. Makes a big difference if you need support.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:33 PM   #4
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jt5280...would you be willing to let me know how the install goes on your JK once you do it? I just ordered mine so I have about 6-8 weeks before I'll even lay eyes on my Jeep.
Also, which camera are you using with the NavTV?
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I am in on this one too. I have looked at a lot of threads here on the forum but I still don't see what I want in a backup camera. I want the camera and sensors to show the backup lane and any close obstacles with audo warnings. Any information much appreciated.

I would love to know what these guys used as parts as this is exactly what I want:
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:51 PM   #6
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That's an automatic so it doesn't really apply to me. I'm looking to find out if I'll have the NAV and DVD unlocked if I go with NavTV since it's a standard and what camera would be best for me to use. I'm pretty set on the NavTV.
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Buy the Jeep Commander camera and have the dealer reflash your radio so it will recognize the camera.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:43 PM   #9
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I've got a 2012 manual and lockpick and i have had no issues with the backup camera functionality. What is inop with the lockpick are the in-motion features (video, nav input...). I am not too concerned about video in motion, but would love to have the ability to set/change NAV input while in motion. I am not sure if there have been any lockpic updates since though.
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just wait for the AEV camera. Should be out next week according to dave...
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:58 PM   #11
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I really would like to have the ability to use my nav while in motion if I'm paying for something that is supposed to allow it. That's why I'd like to go with Nav TV. I THINK all the normal in motion functionality is there with Nav TV and a manual transmission.

Trying to find a decent but affordable camera is now what I need to do.

Also, is this the correct Nav TV for a 2014 JKU? NAV-TV Corporation: ALLGIG_XG-HS Video in Motion bypass for Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep vehicles
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jt5280...would you be willing to let me know how the install goes on your JK once you do it? I just ordered mine so I have about 6-8 weeks before I'll even lay eyes on my Jeep. Also, which camera are you using with the NavTV?
Absolutely. I'll take pictures. Having installed and uninstalled both the Lockpick and the NavTV in my '12, I'm confident it will be smooth in my '14.
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Well, it took a while to get around to it, but it works fine with the '14 manual, as many have pointed out before. I didn't remove the bumper for install. I was able to drill through the bumper and fish the cords up through the plug in the back storage area. I soldered into the passenger side reverse light and ran the RCA cable up to the deck.
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Sounds cool. Can I ask what bits you needed to purchase to make it all work?
I'm looking at the NavTV site and I assume I need this:
NAV-TV Corporation: Audio and Video Interfaces
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NAV-TV Corporation: ALLGIG_XG-HS Video in Motion bypass for Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep vehicles

Did you buy the NavTV camera ($250) or would a $30 camera from Amazon work?

Also, did you have to get the dealer to flash the radio or does this stuff bypass all that? I asked my dealer to flash the radio and they gave me a load of BS before refusing to do it.
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Will be finishing up my install this weekend on my 2014 manual trans backup camera and 430 non-nav radio

Amazon.com: PAC CHYRVD Rear Video Retention Cable For Select Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep Vehicles: Car Electronics

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Amazon.com : 1/4" CCD Flush Mount Waterproof Truck Car Reverse Backup Rear View Camera : Vehicle Backup Cameras : Car Electronics

plus a trip to the dealer to have them add the XAC sales code (park view rear back-up camera) to the dealer installed options on my VIN and reflash the computer.

currently - I have the harness in the back of the radio - and got the Jeep flashed at the dealership - just haven't hooked up the camera yet - but when I put the Jeep in reverse now - the radio screen switches to black and says Check Entire Surroundings - will probably finish the install this weekend. Luckily I am friends with the guys at the dealership and the reflash only cost me a 12 pack of beer (it was about 5 minutes of work) plus the $40 for the harness and camera....so way cheaper than the lockpick/NavTV stuff which gives you way more options than I'd ever care to use.

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Old 07-11-2014, 07:36 AM   #16
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I'm using the NavTool as it was the only one I could find that absolutely guaranteed it would work with the manual transmission. It's more expensive, but if you're not in a hurry and can wait, I've seen them go for under $200. I paid $200 for mine, and I'm happy with it. I haven't really played with the in motion overrides other than the navigation inputs, and that works great. All in all, I would gladly buy one again.
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I'm using the NavTool as it was the only one I could find that absolutely guaranteed it would work with the manual transmission. It's more expensive, but if you're not in a hurry and can wait, I've seen them go for under $200. I paid $200 for mine, and I'm happy with it. I haven't really played with the in motion overrides other than the navigation inputs, and that works great. All in all, I would gladly buy one again.
Does the dealer have to flash it?
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Not with the NavTool. 100% plug and play. When I got the unit it did have the software for the automatic transmission, but it was maybe a 2 minute fix to hook it to a computer and download the new software.
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Not with the NavTool. 100% plug and play. When I got the unit it did have the software for the automatic transmission, but it was maybe a 2 minute fix to hook it to a computer and download the new software.
I'm officially confused. LOL
Some people are saying there are heaps of problems with NavTool, so get NavTV. Both are expensive, but, NavTool does go on sale once in awhile and NavTV doesn't. I have a manual transmission, so I know Lockpick won't work.
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I'm officially confused. LOL
Some people are saying there are heaps of problems with NavTool, so get NavTV. Both are expensive, but, NavTool does go on sale once in awhile and NavTV doesn't. I have a manual transmission, so I know Lockpick won't work.
I would compare the prices of do-it-yourself tools like NavTV, NavTool, and Lockpick, with the cost of simply having your dealer do the flash. Especially if its a one-time thing, and all you are interested in, is enabling the backup camera (XAC).
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I would compare the prices of do-it-yourself tools like NavTV, NavTool, and Lockpick, with the cost of simply having your dealer do the flash. Especially if its a one-time thing, and all you are interested in, is enabling the backup camera (XAC).
I've done a lot of searches, and now know that the only two that work with manual transmissions, like my Jeep, are NavTool and NavTV. Lockpick works with the automatics. I not only want the back up camera, but also the ability of videos and nav in motion. Also, I live in a small town and they don't seem very tech savy, (including the dealership), which I learned when I had my Viper installed and then had to go to the city to have it redone. I am just trying to decide which of the two units are the best, because past posts (not new) say wrong parts shipped, no refunds, bad customer service, etc. Both say USA companies.
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I'm confused too

I, too, am wanting to install a backup camera. Sooooo....

!. The NavTV will also allow the NAV to be used while driving and this also enables a video player???

2. I'm still looking for a camera that has the guide lines that show the path of where I'll be backing up. (my friend's factory camera shows a curved path) Does anyone know which camera provides this feature?
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duplicate post - sorry!

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2. I'm still looking for a camera that has the guide lines that show the path of where I'll be backing up. (my friend's factory camera shows a curved path) Does anyone know which camera provides this feature?
I went with a Kenwood camera. It not only has the guide lines, but they are adjustable. So, you can customize them to be correct for your Wrangler and your camera location.

The Kenwood camera I picked also has split screen modes. A horizontal split where you can see both directly back and directly down at the same time, possibly helpful if you are working with a hitch. A vertical split where you can see directly to the full left and to the full right, possibly helpful if you are backing out of a parking space "blind" due to panel vans parked next to you. You pull back like a foot, and the vertical split allows you to see if anything is coming to your immediate left or right.

I don't know of any cameras that curve the guide lines because such would require it to be able to "read" the angles of your front wheels.
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So I'm looking to head down the PAC cable route (like in the videos earlier in the thread). Install seems simple enough, and even if a dealership wants to charge $100 for the flash still cheaper than the other options I'm seeing.

Bought all the bits on Amazon, so far I'm into it less than $50.

Which brings me to the question - I asked my 'usual' dealer's service manager about enabling the backup camera feature and was told "no." - Has anybody in the Denver, CO vicinity done this? and if so what dealership did you have flash your unit?

I may try printing off the procedure and taking it in with me and simply asking "please do this" and seeing if I get any further.

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I went with a Kenwood camera. It not only has the guide lines, but they are adjustable. So, you can customize them to be correct for your Wrangler and your camera location. The Kenwood camera I picked also has split screen modes. A horizontal split where you can see both directly back and directly down at the same time, possibly helpful if you are working with a hitch. A vertical split where you can see directly to the full left and to the full right, possibly helpful if you are backing out of a parking space "blind" due to panel vans parked next to you. You pull back like a foot, and the vertical split allows you to see if anything is coming to your immediate left or right. I don't know of any cameras that curve the guide lines because such would require it to be able to "read" the angles of your front wheels.
Do you have the model number of your camera? Can you post a pic of the image on the screen? Thanks
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FYI I followed the directive of this thread and had the backup camera installed along with Rigid Industries Backup lights at my local dealer.
They ran the camera harness along side with the lighting harness and flashed my 730N.
I was all in parts for the backup camera $38 and the dealer did not charge me for the flash of the head unit. Works great!!!

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I, too, am wanting to install a backup camera. Sooooo....

!. The NavTV will also allow the NAV to be used while driving and this also enables a video player???

2. I'm still looking for a camera that has the guide lines that show the path of where I'll be backing up. (my friend's factory camera shows a curved path) Does anyone know which camera provides this feature?
the 2015 audi a3 has a factory camera package that curves the lines based on the wheel angle (lines change when the steering wheel is turned). is that the camera you are talking about?

no aftermarket standalone camera has that feature yet. maybe one of these navtv/lockpick/etc guys can find a way to read the steering wheel angle and display the grid lines on the display?
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Exactly! My friend's Range Rover does the same thing!
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I am so glad I didn't buy the Unlimited, this thing is so short, that I really have no need or worry about backing up. If anything I want a camera out the front window, so I can make videos of the ridiculous antics of other drivers, and to maybe record one of these idiots when they actually cause a crash.

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