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Old 07-13-2014, 08:02 PM   #421
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I've been asked where I'm posting photos of the Alaska trip I'm currently on - I think I posted this before, but anyway, here's where they start in the LJ Safari Cab thread on JeepForum: "Safari Cab" custom hardtop project - Page 421 - JeepForum.com

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A few more photos of a slider window mounted in an opening cut larger in the hardtop:







One other thing about using this style is that the same size windows could be installed in both the early model and late model JKU hardtops - the early model windows aren't as long as the later models (there's a 4" difference), so if you've got an early model JKU hardtop you could end up with longer windows, which would also mean larger openings in the sliders. Doing the same size window in both models could also reduce the cost, because only one size would have to be made for all years of JKU.

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After searching online for potential clear aux lights I ordered a set of these in red and clear for the pod today for testing.





2" Cyclone LED Light

If these live up to the hype at 1100 Raw Lumens in a 2" round package then they are the brightest small LED lights I could find. The bars I have drawn in the longer pod are only a couple hundred lumens due to the lens and much lower quality.

The aluminum extrusion order for the ModuluS was placed last Friday so parts should begin arriving this week. I was able to get a really good deal on non-standard lengths so I will need to cut the material to appropriate lengths when received. This will add a day or two on to my assembly time but I will get pictures up as soon as I start assembling.
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Those could look great. Heat output could be an issue, but I'll be excited to see how it goes.
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Got some packages in the mail today. Aluminum extrusion, hardware, cutting board top and some hinges I plan to use for the table as they have a removable pin so it will be easy to install and remove.

I hope to be able to get these to the shop tomorrow but have a full day of meetings plus I'm Mr. Mom this week as my wife is out of town on a business trip. Worst case these will be off to the shop on Monday and I hope to have an assembled prototype by the end of next week. This day job is keeping me from turning things around like Jeff can

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Here's a look at a little bit of what I'm planning for the full JKU Safari Cab project. The sides, end and roof are all separate modular panels (the roof isn't shown in this drawing). Sides/end can be fiberglass or roll-up canvas just like my LJ Safari Cab. Windows in the side panels could be solid glass, sliders or swing-up. The roof panel can be run as a hard bikini without the sides or end panels, or with hard or canvas roll-up sides/ends.



Functionally and structurally the design is very similar to my LJ Safari Cab.

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It seems you are making the JKU one first. Which, if any, of the components would also work on the JK?
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It seems you are making the JKU one first. Which, if any, of the components would also work on the JK?
The barn door is compatible with both the JK/JKU factory hardtops and the Safari Cab. The rear panel of the Safari Cab is shared between the JK and JKU versions. The side and roof panels are different.
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This thing is the absolute coolest Jeep accessory I've ever seen. I'd love to have the safari cab with both hard and soft windows.
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Here's a look at a little bit of what I'm planning for the full JKU Safari Cab project. The sides, end and roof are all separate modular panels (the roof isn't shown in this drawing). Sides/end can be fiberglass or roll-up canvas just like my LJ Safari Cab. Windows in the side panels could be solid glass, sliders or swing-up. The roof panel can be run as a hard bikini without the sides or end panels, or with hard or canvas roll-up sides/ends. Functionally and structurally the design is very similar to my LJ Safari Cab.
You are only missing the upper half door sliders in that picture. Once you get the upper half door sliders done the safari cab will be complete
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A few more photos of a slider window mounted in an opening cut larger in the hardtop:







One other thing about using this style is that the same size windows could be installed in both the early model and late model JKU hardtops - the early model windows aren't as long as the later models (there's a 4" difference), so if you've got an early model JKU hardtop you could end up with longer windows, which would also mean larger openings in the sliders. Doing the same size window in both models could also reduce the cost, because only one size would have to be made for all years of JKU.
Would you be interested in doing this to my 2013 jku hardtop? I live about 1.5 hrs away and would love to work with you. I have been looking for a solution like this for my jeep b/c i have the gobi rack and because i do, i do not take the hard top off anymore. I take my german shepherd everywhere and was considering taking the rear window off but its to complicated.

let me know...I would obviously pay for the parts needed and whatever you may require...

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Oh wow. Anyone know where I could have some sliders installed on a 2-door near St. Louis?
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Would you be interested in doing this to my 2013 jku hardtop? I live about 1.5 hrs away and would love to work with you. I have been looking for a solution like this for my jeep b/c i have the gobi rack and because i do, i do not take the hard top off anymore. I take my german shepherd everywhere and was considering taking the rear window off but its to complicated.

let me know...I would obviously pay for the parts needed and whatever you may require...

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If I ever get to the point of doing a group buy on slider windows, we can discuss it then. Usually I don't have time to do work on anyone else's Jeeps though, I've got so many ideas and projects of my own I don't even have time to do all of my own ideas .

Racks like the Gobi seem very inconvenient to me. That's part of the reason I designed the Safari Cab with swappable hard sides/roll-up soft sides - to make it easy to open up the sides and at the same time store carry loads on the roof.

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The slider rear window is potentially the best mod ever seen on a Jeep! I had the idea awhile back to try making it powered crank-out like on the Ford Excursion, but the slider would be much simpler.
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I received the KC Highlites Cyclone LED Lights on Sat and got some time in the dark to play with them. I have to say I'm pretty impressed with how much light the clear ones put out for how small they are.

Obviously capturing pictures on an iPhone in the pitch dark is not the most scientific method but these were the tools I had at my disposal. These were taken around 10PM here in NY.



For a single light it does exactly what I wanted, a broad area flood pattern to provide some light behind the Jeep. They have them marketed in a kit for underhood so I moved it under there and was very impressed, I'll probably add one here to:



I'll keep looking around for other flush mount LED lights but these are the ones I'm thinking of moving forward with at this point unless someone else has another option they have seen.

Here's what they would look like on the longer pod:



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As usual, amazing.

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A few more photos of a slider window mounted in an opening cut larger in the hardtop:







One other thing about using this style is that the same size windows could be installed in both the early model and late model JKU hardtops - the early model windows aren't as long as the later models (there's a 4" difference), so if you've got an early model JKU hardtop you could end up with longer windows, which would also mean larger openings in the sliders. Doing the same size window in both models could also reduce the cost, because only one size would have to be made for all years of JKU.
Do you have some sort of lock for the rear windows?
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After I tested the white LED's I hooked up the red LED to see how bright it was and if it could be used as a brake light. It is noticeably dimmer than the clears luckily which means you can use it for a third brake light and not blind anyone behind you.



So there is the option to remove the long thin third brake light off of the pod and replace with a set of these but I thought another good option may be to center mount in the spare.

**Where legal, some states may require to be above tail lights**

A quick trip to the shop and I found a thin piece of aluminum sheet (you could also find at Lowes). Since these mount with just a single screw through the center I whipped up a quick pattern and cut out a piece that could simply fit behind the spare.



For the wire I had a plastic grommet left over from holding on one of the plastic pieces or you could get a rubber grommet. Then simply remove your spare, install the sheet metal piece. The light is held on with a 3/8-16 button head, lock washer and nut (.12 cents at Fastenal). Run your wire through the grommet and splice in to the factory wiring.





For some reason I thought the third brake mount was bolted to the tire carrier like the TJ's instead of molded as one piece so I will need to cut mine off when I plan to remove permanently.
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Do you have some sort of lock for the rear windows?
The slider windows have an inside latch, so they can't be opened from the outside when latched.
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What do you guys think would be a good price to sell this product? This goes for the creators as well as everyone that has been following the thread.
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What do you guys think would be a good price to sell this product? This goes for the creators as well as everyone that has been following the thread.
Since I'm the one designing and building the barn door, I know exactly what it costs for me to make one, but I won't comment on what it should sell for.

I'd be interested in seeing what people would think they should pay for one though, that would tell me if it's worthwhile to go to the effort to find a company interested in marketing it. If the consensus is a price that's too low, there wouldn't be any point in trying to find a company .
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If the bar door were to come with a new larger rear window because it seems that a lot of people agree that there is to much empty space in the barn door (with choice of tints?), unpainted, along with the Led lights that attach to the old mounting holes of the hard top in a black plastic that way it would match peoples hardtops if they have the stock black ones or it could also be easily be painted. Then the drop down tray tables could be add on's. I think you could sell it for around 600$ at least that's what I would be willing to pay. Not including the drop down table. The drop down table you could sell as an add on for 150$ as a package deal or 180$ if they buy it separate. Those drop down tables sell between 170 and 200 on ebay. Just a though =]
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Driving back from So. Utah a while back I was thinking about how great it would be to have back windows that opened. Now that I've seen it (thanks for the photos) I'm going to have to start saving for them.
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Without knowing anything about the costs involved I would say a target price of $499 would be realistic to expect for the barn door, new glass and possibly the 3rd brakelight/hinge hole cover. I wouldn't expect the cool drop down tables or other add-ons to make it the initial production for that price but as Yellow Fox stated they could be sold as additions later.

I'm just guessing here but I think the custom glass would be the bulk of the cost on this? I don't know what you would sell your mold masters for but cranking out fiberglass parts on a mold that's already created can't cost very much on its own, I would think.
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Soft top slider rails... since I only have a hardtop...do I need to buy a soft top to get the rails? I only have a phone and it wont let me search.
I really really like/want the hardtop with curtains and slidey rear windows and the hard side pieces. Positively brilliant!
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...I'm just guessing here but I think the custom glass would be the bulk of the cost on this? I don't know what you would sell your mold masters for but cranking out fiberglass parts on a mold that's already created can't cost very much on its own, I would think.
In small production quantities (25 or so), the rear window would be less than $50.
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Since I'm the one designing and building the barn door, I know exactly what it costs for me to make one, but I won't comment on what it should sell for. I'd be interested in seeing what people would think they should pay for one though, that would tell me if it's worthwhile to go to the effort to find a company interested in marketing it. If the consensus is a price that's too low, there wouldn't be any point in trying to find a company .
So, the big question....
I think, and I have followed this thread from the beginning, you are really designing a "system of tops". The barn door is a piece, the roll up sides are a piece, the fold down table.....
I believe a new JK hard top from bestop goes for about 2600 so to me, the entire system is probably reasonably priced at 3500. I can't see paying that much up front but can see buying pieces a bit at a time. I guess about $700 for the barn door would be the upper limit for me and would have to be inclusive with glass, and new tail light, I understand the table would be extra.

So long story short $700 for barn door with tail light and glass.

Sorry for the long post.

Jscherb: I know you don't really do this except for the design exercise and if they sell they sell. Since other designs you have created are selling I would be interested to hear your thoughts on how pricing is set by eventual "manufacturers". Certainly I understand there are probably NDAs and confidentiality agreements you would not break.
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I would think that just the barn door/brackets/glass would be well priced and very marketable in the $299-$350 range. Make the brake light relocation setup another $99 all inclusive.

It may just be my crazy mind but I can justify spending ~$300 on a whim, do it pretty regularly. Once it gets around $400 I start thinking more about things. Just my $.02...
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...Jscherb: I know you don't really do this except for the design exercise and if they sell they sell. Since other designs you have created are selling I would be interested to hear your thoughts on how pricing is set by eventual "manufacturers". Certainly I understand there are probably NDAs and confidentiality agreements you would not break.
The glass would cost about the same for all companies, as would the wiper assembly, etc. - the biggest unknown on the cost side of is how much a company would spend to get the fiberglass parts produced.

If a company produces the fiberglass parts in house, their cost will be very low. On the other hand, if they outsource the fiberglass production, the cost will be higher, and could be much higher depending on how they get it done. The raw materials for producing the fiberglass parts (resin, gelcoat, fiberglass) don't add up to a whole lot on parts of this size.

A particular company's pricing would start with their cost of production, then factor in their overhead, profit requirements, etc., and all of that varies by company, so it's hard to say at this point how a company might do their pricing.

But I will say that within the range of prices mentioned in this thread in the bast few days, the barn door can be profitably manufactured and sold.
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Most parts available for the JK cost a lot more than their TJ counterparts. The only reason for this I can fathom is that the JK is a newer, more expensive vehicle with more affluent owners, so the prices get marked up accordingly. I bought the cheapest JK I could find and I'm not well off by any means, so any modification I do is well thought out and planned, and usually the $$ drives the end decision for me.

It's interesting to see what people think is a fair price. $700 in my mind would be completely out of reach for this product.

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