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Old 05-01-2011, 07:59 AM   #1
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Basic Pros and Cons of Lifting?

Just bought a new 2011 Wrangler Sport with 17" wheels. Considering lifting 2-4" just for the look. Can anyone tell me the basic pros and cons of lifting. Should I bother? Will the ride be rougher? Steering harder? Thanks for any opinions.

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If your leaving the stock sized tires I wouldn't do anything more than a 2" budget boost. In my opinion its the perfect height with the factory size 32" tires. Its how the JK should have come from the factory.
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Many threads on lifts if you do a search. You lift to fit tires basically. The higher you lift, the more handling/driveline issues you run into. They can all be fixed, but it adds cost.

If you are not wheeling and are only on the street, I would look at a BB like the poster said or a Teraflex performance levelling kit. Will look and drive well for minimum investment.
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JK Wrangler 2.5" Performance Budget Boost w/shocks | TeraFlex Suspensions
Its essentially a 2" lift with an extra inch in the front to get rid of the "raked" stance.

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I didn’t lift mine until I ran into issues on the trail. If I could run the trails I wanted to stock then I would have kept it that way.

If you don’t need the lift then why gain the potential hassle of dealers not honoring your warranty, getting death wobble from a bad install, paying for something you aren’t going to “use”, potentially lowering you MPG, etc. OTOH - if you just want to change the look, then don’t get a 4” as that will cost a lot more in $$$ and headaches, but stay with something 2.5” or lower.
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Lifts are performance based mods, not looks based. They happen to look better, but raising your center of gravity for no reason and no knowledge makes no sense. Your life, just saying..
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Plenty of folks lift for looks. You want a "budget boost". Just keep it at 2.5" or below and you shouldn't have any problems. For a 2 door, I'd probably stay below 2" just to be safe. No real downsides so long as it's installed correctly and you don't mind adjusting out any alignment or steering issues. Maybe add a track bar. Your gas mileage will be marginally worse, though it's nothing compared to the hit it would take with bigger tires.
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Lifts are performance based mods, not looks based. They happen to look better, but raising your center of gravity for no reason and no knowledge makes no sense. Your life, just saying..
My feelings as well, lifts can potentially (and often do) create more issues than they solve. If you don't need it, don't bother. If you just have to have one for "looks" keep it minimal and of good quality. Most people would never know the difference when seeing your Jeep go down the road so make sure you're doing it for your own viewing satisfaction.
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Just throwing it out there...there is nothing wrong with liking the way your Jeep looks...however it may look...


I've seen lots of people waste lots of money on lots of "useless" crap they don't exactly need but like the way it looks.
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Plenty of folks lift for looks. You want a "budget boost". Just keep it at 2.5" or below and you shouldn't have any problems. For a 2 door, I'd probably stay below 2" just to be safe. No real downsides so long as it's installed correctly and you don't mind adjusting out any alignment or steering issues. Maybe add a track bar. Your gas mileage will be marginally worse, though it's nothing compared to the hit it would take with bigger tires.
Plenty of people do lots of things for looks that aren't a particularly good ideas. If you are going to bother to lift, like others have said 2"-2.5", and change out the springs and shocks at least. Go with a good manufacturer like Teraflex or Old Man Emu and you will increase the ride and handling performance even if you never go off road.
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Pro: having a meaner looking jeep.
Con: being recognized as the guy who didn't have a lift but now does.
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Yea I have to agree with smaxberry - I lifted it, did it right, and it looks and handles better than stock. This whole, if it doesn't increase performance thought process baffles me - if it makes it handle better AND makes it look better in the process, who cares - it's his Jeep

Pros and Cons? sits higher, higher center of gravity, cost a fortune to do right, may have violated my warranty (but it's all in your relationship with the service manager), lower fuel economy.

Pro's? I get stopped everywhere I go by people giving me the thumbs up, women love it, I love it, it looks mean and has the capability to park on your Subaru. It was built properly to perform a function (and yes it is my DD), and is better than stock in nearly every category.

So lift it if you want - in the end, it's all preferences - a walk through any meeting of Jeeps and you will see what I mean.

PS ESP123 has a link to the lift reviews - mine is in there also - feel free to read posters reviews including the pros and cons. The only major thing is if you have a 2 dr vs a 4 dr - in that case, unless you have a grand to replace driveshafts, don't go over 2.5 inches with a 2 dr. In the JKU it's not a problem.
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Just bought a new 2011 Wrangler Sport with 17" wheels. Considering lifting 2-4" just for the look. Can anyone tell me the basic pros and cons of lifting. Should I bother? Will the ride be rougher? Steering harder? Thanks for any opinions.
Nothing wrong with lifting just for looks. We all do plenty of things in life just for looks. If it's just for looks, I'd recommend a budget boost such as the TeraFlex 2.5" BB with shock extensions. Ride will be pretty much the same since you'll be reusing your stock springs and shocks. If you choose to replace your springs and/or shocks, there are lots of options out there for different purposes and with different ride qualities. Do your research before purchasing. With the stock wheels, you'll need wheel spacers (1.25" or 1.5") or your rear tires will rub against the swaybar link bolt. Also you may find the handling to be a bit flighty, particularly on bumpy roads or when braking hard. If so, adjustable front-lower control arms (properly adjusted) will fix that. But that's about all you'll need (lift kit, wheel spacers, maybe front-lower control arms).

Be aware though that lifting your Jeep (even if you never go offroading) means the following:
- Higher center of mass/greater chance of rollover.
- Your driveshafts will wear out a little faster due to the increased angle of operation.
- Some dealers will not honor some warranty service due to the modification.
- You'll need to periodically check and retorque all bolts that were touched during lift installation, as some will occasionally loosen up.
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I can understand why people don't do changes for looks. With my rig my priority is to make it stronger/perform better off road.And its not that I mind doing things for looks, but my list of performance stuff is so long I just never get around to it.

But that's me, and other people do things for looks, and that is great. Go for it.
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Yea I have to agree with smaxberry - I lifted it, did it right, and it looks and handles better than stock. This whole, if it doesn't increase performance thought process baffles me - if it makes it handle better AND makes it look better in the process, who cares - it's his Jeep

Pros and Cons? sits higher, higher center of gravity, cost a fortune to do right, may have violated my warranty (but it's all in your relationship with the service manager), lower fuel economy.

Pro's? I get stopped everywhere I go by people giving me the thumbs up, women love it, I love it, it looks mean and has the capability to park on your Subaru. It was built properly to perform a function (and yes it is my DD), and is better than stock in nearly every category.

So lift it if you want - in the end, it's all preferences - a walk through any meeting of Jeeps and you will see what I mean.

PS ESP123 has a link to the lift reviews - mine is in there also - feel free to read posters reviews including the pros and cons. The only major thing is if you have a 2 dr vs a 4 dr - in that case, unless you have a grand to replace driveshafts, don't go over 2.5 inches with a 2 dr. In the JKU it's not a problem.
Agreed, I asked the service department when I bought my Jeep. He told me that the warranty would not change if I installed the same lift or brand that they sell as dealer add-ons. In my case its teraflex. If worried about the warranty it is always best to ask first so you know how far you can go and ultimately how much money you can save by not paying them to do it. I am personally saving for the flat fenders to clear my 33's while off roading, the lift will come at a later date anyways when I am willing to crawl the gnarlier stuff.
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I asked the service department when I bought my Jeep. He told me that the warranty would not change if I installed the same lift or brand that they sell as dealer add-ons. In my case its teraflex.
This is the first time I've seen this angle, but no, this is not true.

Go here and download a copy of your Chrysler warranty. You'll be surprised how easy it is to read and how useful it is to have in electronic format.

Here's the deal on your Chrysler warranty. It doesn't cover what you change, and it doesn't cover anything damaged by what you changed. That's it. Read the warranty you download and you'll find it says basically that.

So, there is no TeraFlex lift in the universe that is covered by Chrysler's warranty to you. None. I don't care if Jesus himself installs it, it is not covered by Chrysler.

Now, it is true that your dealer will warranty the installation of any work they perform. Therefore, if your dealer installs a TeraFlex lift, they should warranty any problems with installation. For defective lifts (rather than poorly installed lifts) your dealer will send you to TeraFlex, which will provide its own warranty. It sounds as if your dealer--out of the goodness of their heart--is willing to provide similar warranty coverage for any TeraFlex lift that you install.

Just know that it will not be a Chrysler warranty. It's your dealer.

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If worried about the warranty it is always best to ask first so you know how far you can go and ultimately how much money you can save by not paying them to do it.
That's true. Your dealer is the first line of decisionmaking authority when it comes to whether some change you made (such as a lift) has caused damage. It's a good idea to get their opinion about what they believe will generally cause damage to certain components, such as the consequences to the driveshafts of lifting a 2 door beyond 2.5".
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I must have been a bit vague in my post. I did not mean to imply that they would warranty my lift kit that I would likely purchase elsewhere, and I thought it was common knowledge that they would not cover something broken due to the lift kit being installed wrong by me or it failing. Just like they wouldn't warranty my factory stereo since it's been removed, or the speakers if they were blown by an aftermarket deck. I guess I should have stated more specifically that he told me that the basic warranty and powertrain warranty would not be voided by lifting my jeep within limitations of what they use and recommend there. But, if they installed it, they(the dealership) would warranty the suspension for 3/36k or in my case the remainder of the 3/36 since I bought it used. The moral of the story is to ask the service department about anything you are concerned with prior to doing the work.
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BTW, thank you for breaking down my post Mike. I thought I'd mention one other thing, the dealer could decline warranty for powertrain if you changed your wheels or tires to a larger size and if they believe that the larger tires put too much strain on the broken part. It's a similar situation to the suspension.
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Keep in mind that some of the aftermarket lifts have lifetime warranties which are better than the Jeep warranty for parts replacement. As always, Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware
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Wow, I don't care how many times this question get asked I learn something.
Thanks for the link Mike.
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I did not mean to imply that they would warranty my lift kit that I would likely purchase elsewhere, and I thought it was common knowledge that they would not cover something broken due to the lift kit being installed wrong by me or it failing. Just like they wouldn't warranty my factory stereo since it's been removed, or the speakers if they were blown by an aftermarket deck.
Dude, you're going to be STUNNED how often this kind of thing gets asked. Folks don't articulate it this way of course, as the way you said it makes it obvious. The common phrasing is more along the lines of: "I want to have my dealer put on a Mopar 4" lift because that will keep all of my warranties in place, and they'd be voided if I had the lift installed elsewhere." None of that is accurate.

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I guess I should have stated more specifically that he told me that the basic warranty and powertrain warranty would not be voided by lifting my jeep within limitations of what they use and recommend there.
Yup yup yup. That's about right. If you come in seeking warranty service, they're going to make the first call on whether the lift or other mods you installed may have caused the problem. Therefore, as a practical matter, lifting within the parameters that they themselves offer is going to be more likely to result in them deciding that the lift did not in fact do any damage.

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But, if they installed it, they(the dealership) would warranty the suspension for 3/36k or in my case the remainder of the 3/36 since I bought it used. The moral of the story is to ask the service department about anything you are concerned with prior to doing the work.
You got it--that's their warranty, not Chrysler's. It rarely occurs to folks that there is a difference.

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I thought I'd mention one other thing, the dealer could decline warranty for powertrain if you changed your wheels or tires to a larger size and if they believe that the larger tires put too much strain on the broken part. It's a similar situation to the suspension.
Agreed again.

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Thanks for the link Mike.
You've got your manual in PDF too right? If not, you can get it here. Very useful in PDF format, more so than in hardcopy.
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My bad, was kinda in a hurry when I posted the extremely abbreviated version. Lunch time was almost over and was going back and forth between post and answering questions at work.
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Thanks for all the feedback. It has been very helpful. I am going with the Teraflex 2.5 BB kit.

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