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Old 03-03-2014, 06:21 PM   #1
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Basic speaker upgrade? 2011 JK

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I'm looking to do a basic speaker upgrade. I live in Dallas and want to go to a Car Toys to get a quote but, knowing nothing about audio, I don't want to get ripped off. Can anyone tell me a price range I should expect? My JK was a used rental from Hawaii, and thus the speakers have seen their share of use. Just looking to replace everything with a bit higher quality, no sub woofer or anything, might need an amplifier.

Also, any brand recommendation or type of speakers I could research online would be great.

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I'm curious about this too. I may just do these at first, and see how it goes. Lots of people say it's a cheap but decent upgrade. Not sure if these one's are for the soundbar or the front kickers...or both:

Dodge Jeep Chrysler Kicker Upgrade Speakers Mopar 77KICK10 Rear Door 6 5" 04 13 | eBay

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Looking at them on amazon, I see what you mean about the reviews and affordable price. I will definitely check these out and test a pair. Thanks for the recommendation!
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Looking at them on amazon, I see what you mean about the reviews and affordable price. I will definitely check these out and test a pair. Thanks for the recommendation!
I'm going to order one pair too this week. See how they sound up top.

But you may want to hear some other opinions as they appear in this thread. Lots of options out there!
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I also went and read more on other forums as well. A lot of people seem to recommend polyfill for $4 from Wal-Mart. I want to try this but literally no idea how to install/fill it with the speakers on a jeep. No videos on YouTube really.

However, I found a very informative video on general speaker installation with an amp here:
http://youtu.be/6Mt-fyytuCo

Hoping the entire dash doesn't have to come off for the front speakers. Does anyone have experience with that? Also anyone with a brief guide on polyfill?
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I put the Kicker speakers in my 2013 JKU and they are a huge improvement. They are a direct factory replacement speaker, meaning the factory wire harness plugs directly into the speaker and does not need mounting adapter brackets. After having them in my Jeep for 6 months now, I would definitely buy them again.
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I put the Kicker speakers in my 2013 JKU and they are a huge improvement. They are a direct factory replacement speaker, meaning the factory wire harness plugs directly into the speaker and does not need mounting adapter brackets. After having them in my Jeep for 6 months now, I would definitely buy them again.
I have them in my 2014 JKU front and back. They are great for the price. They plug & fit right in. 1000% better than the factory speakers. The soundbar install is super easy but the dash speakers are more involved. A little research (this forum, youtube) made the fronts easier though.
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I don't like the Mopar "Upgrades" because they rarely give you the speaker specifications. These "Kicker Upgrades" did give an alleged RMS value which is important. But, without a subwoofer, there is a very important spec that was left out, "frequency response". Without a subwoofer, you will expect your speakers to handle all the bass, and without the frequency response, you won't know how good they will sound in the lower frequency range.

If you look at Kicker speakers, you will see no such speaker that claims 75wattsRMS. At least, I couldn't find it on Crutchfield. I am very wary of any speaker that claims to be a "factory upgrade", because they are normally crap, just like the factory speakers.

In comparison, if you look at the Polk 6.5 speaker on Crutchfield, you see very low frequency response, which means it will give you good bass without a subwoofer. Of course, no speaker will ever compete in the bass range to a subwoofer. But, if you don't want a subwoofer, the bass range of your speaker is very important for good sound balance.

There are so many great reviews on the Polk speakers, and I would recommend them over any Kicker speaker, without subwoofer interest. Plus, the Polks are Marine rated, which are more stable in challenging environments.

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I also went and read more on other forums as well. A lot of people seem to recommend polyfill for $4 from Wal-Mart. I want to try this but literally no idea how to install/fill it with the speakers on a jeep. No videos on YouTube really.

However, I found a very informative video on general speaker installation with an amp here:
2012 Jeep Wrangler Speaker Install | In-Depth Procedure - YouTube

Hoping the entire dash doesn't have to come off for the front speakers. Does anyone have experience with that? Also anyone with a brief guide on polyfill?
To replace the front speakers, you do not need to take the entire dash apart. For both speakers, take off the panels on the side ends of the dash, the side that faces the doors. That will expose the screws that secure the speaker boxes. For the passenger side front speaker, remove the screws exposed from the side panel. Next, remove the glove box by opening it and squeezing the sides inward. You can then remove the speaker box through the glove box.
For the driver side, remove the same screws from the side access panel. Remove the panel directly under the steering wheel and loosen the panel to the lower left of the steering wheel. You will have to wrestle the speaker box out of there, but it will eventually come out.
The speakers in the sound bar are simple. Remove the 3 screws and the speaker just drops out.
As for the polyfill, just fill stuff polyfill into the sound bar and reinstall the speakers. There is nothing to it.

Here is a write up with pictures on another site.
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I have a 2011 jk sport, my first upgrade to my Jeep was getting rid of the factory speakers in the front dash and the rears in the sound bar. I too got the kicker 6.5's I can't remember the model though, but I do know after getting rid of the crappy factory speakers the kickers sounded great and the bass was impressive even with the factory radio still in it, the other modification I made was putting poly fill inside the sound bar and the box the speakers sit in up front in the dashboard. I think this may have made some enhancements as well. I know we all hear things differently but I don't think you will be upset if you got a set of the kicker 6.5's. Good luck
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I went with polk audio db651 speakers that were recommended on this site and I like them. They are marine grade which I liked as they will be exposed to weather. The polyfil you are referring to is just taking a bag of pillow stuffing and filling the empty space in the bar and around the front speakers to minimize rattle.
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In rebuttal to myself,

I did find this thread on the kicker upgrade. There seems to be 25 pages of review on the "Kicker Upgrades" and the reviews seem to be very good. I would still like to see a spec sheet. For one, what ohms are these Kicker speakers in comparison to the ohms on the Infinity speakers. As well as, a spec for the frequency response. Of course almost anything is great in comparison to the crappy stock paper cone speakers.

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77kick10 speakers
Peak: 150 watts
RMS: 75 watts RMS
Frequency response: 35 Hz to 21 kHz, crossover for tweeter 4500 Hz @ 12 dB per octave with DC protection
Sensitivity: 88 dB (1W/1M)
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The best thing you can do in any speaker upgrade is to go to an audio store and listen to the speakers before you buy them. With that said, I think Polks and Alpine Type R, are better speakers for a "non-subwoofer" system than Kicker Speakers. This review on the Kicker's seem to confirm my initial comment that almost anything will be an improvement over the stock speakers.

"Installed these 10 min ago. Sound like garbage. Sound like a low end factory stereo should sound. I've heard better from super cheap jensen 6x9s. If you've ever heard good sound and that's what your going for these are not for you. Maybe 30% better than stock. Pm me if you wanna clarify . Waste of money. Seriously, I haven't been into the stereo stuff for 10 years and I know this is not a good option."

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How true and accurate this is, is unknown.

77Kick10 upgrade.

Quote: "Upgrade offers vibrant stereo image, bigger bass and clean highs. Features include throw poly cone two-way speakers with 1" titanium dome tweeters, 75 watts RMS, 150 watts peak power handling, frequency response 35 Hz to 21 kHz, crossover for tweeter 4500 Hz @ 12 dB per octave with DC protection, and sensitivity 88 dB (1W/1M)."

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Edit: Damn, fdisker beat me to it.
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77kick10 speakers
Peak: 150 watts
RMS: 75 watts RMS
Frequency response: 35 Hz to 21 kHz, crossover for tweeter 4500 Hz @ 12 dB per octave with DC protection
Sensitivity: 88 dB (1W/1M)

Good info, where did you get it?

They seem to have the same frequency response as the Polks, which is good. Would be curious to know the ohms too. Especially since most Infinity Speakers are 2-Ohms(Sometimes 3ohms), and most Kickers are 4-Ohms.

No doubt that they would be an improvement over the stock speakers. But, anything is an improvement over the stock speakers.
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Good info, where did you get it?

They seem to have the same frequency response as the Polks, which is good. Would be curious to know the ohms too. Especially since most Infinity Speakers are 2-Ohms(Sometimes 3ohms), and most Kickers are 4-Ohms.

No doubt that they would be an improvement over the stock speakers. But, anything is an improvement over the stock speakers.
I contacted Kicker via email and those are the specs they replied with.
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How true and accurate this is, is unknown.

77Kick10 upgrade.

Quote: "Upgrade offers vibrant stereo image, bigger bass and clean highs. Features include throw poly cone two-way speakers with 1" titanium dome tweeters, 75 watts RMS, 150 watts peak power handling, frequency response 35 Hz to 21 kHz, crossover for tweeter 4500 Hz @ 12 dB per octave with DC protection, and sensitivity 88 dB (1W/1M)."

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Edit: Damn, fdisker beat me to it.
Thanks for the website. They do seem like a decent upgrade. Truth and accurate? Good Point. I would feel better if it was listed somewhere like Crutchfield instead of ALL USA MOTORSPORTS. lol.
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Thanks for the website. They do seem like a decent upgrade. Truth and accurate? Good Point. I would feel better if it was listed somewhere like Crutchfield instead of ALL USA MOTORSPORTS. lol.
Haha. With ya on that one.
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Thanks for the help everyone!

Can anyone tell me if the Kickers are easier to install than the Polks? Are they the same?
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I emailed Kicker a long time ago (Octoer of 2012) about the 77Kick10's and some of their amps...I got slightly different info.


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The 77Kick10 is a 4 ohm 6.5 with a rated frequency response of 40 Hz – 21 KHz. They can handle 6-65 watts RMS and have a sensitivity of 90 dB.

The Mopar branded amps are designed to run at 4 ohm on the multi-channel and ˝ ohm or 1 ohm on the sub amps/channels. The 8 channel amp that we use in premium audio Jeep Wranglers is rated at 368 watts.


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Maybe they have done some upgrades.

My 77Kick10's were pretty "meh" over the factory Alpine's. The level of upgrade will be based on if you have the premium system or not.
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There's some good info in this this thread.

However, even though I'd LOOOOVE some better sound pumping in this thing, new speakers wouldn't be waterproof (unless I buy specifically marine grade speakers).

Anybody find a way around this yet? Or at least have a decent (yet economical!) recommendation for marine grade speakers?
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I did the Alpine components upgrade on my 2013 JK And was not that difficult, yes you need to cut some and the speakers aren't using the same mount points in the dash pods! Just drill and run your crossover wiring!
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That brings up a good point I wanted to ask. For a novice on audio installation, what is involved in replacing tweeters? And I've done quite a bit of research so far here and on other forums. Still not totally clear on what is happening.

1. You pop off factory tweeter
2. Some people say you have to open the dash panel while others say no? In looking at the super tweeter quadratec instructions, they have you unplug, work down in the dash area, and attach some sort of weird thing which might be the crossover? Don't even know what that is. Do all tweeter replacements require a crossover that you install behind the dash? Is it not as simple as the kicker spears where you simply unplug and plug in new ones?

I ordered 2 pairs of the kicker upgrades from mopar and installed the sound bar speakers today. I'm waiting on the front speakers to get the dash question about the tweeters answered. If I have to follow the literal 26 steps provided by mopar to get to the speakers, I want to set up the tweeters while I'm in there too.

Any guidance on tweeters would be excellent!
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I also went and read more on other forums as well. A lot of people seem to recommend polyfill for $4 from Wal-Mart. I want to try this but literally no idea how to install/fill it with the speakers on a jeep. No videos on YouTube really. However, I found a very informative video on general speaker installation with an amp here: http://youtu.be/6Mt-fyytuCo Hoping the entire dash doesn't have to come off for the front speakers. Does anyone have experience with that? Also anyone with a brief guide on polyfill?

Good video
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There's some good info in this this thread.

However, even though I'd LOOOOVE some better sound pumping in this thing, new speakers wouldn't be waterproof (unless I buy specifically marine grade speakers).

Anybody find a way around this yet? Or at least have a decent (yet economical!) recommendation for marine grade speakers?
I have been toying with this idea as well. actually way before I bought the Jeep. Several of the well known manufactures make marine speakers also. now you just have to find what kind you want. I did pull one out of the sound bar to get a depth measurement, and came up with just over 3 inches, which is good, because the marine style are built a little deeper than the normal car speaker.

This link will show you some of the brands. and give you some spec's...
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Thanks for the help everyone! Can anyone tell me if the Kickers are easier to install than the Polks? Are they the same?
The Kickers will be easier to install simply because they were made specifically for your Chrysler vehicle. The factory harness plugs into the speakers without any adapter and the speaker does not need an aftermarket mounting bracket to install it.
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The Kickers will be easier to install simply because they were made specifically for your Chrysler vehicle. The factory harness plugs into the speakers without any adapter and the speaker does not need an aftermarket mounting bracket to install it.
Are there any tweeters that would be as easy?
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Hi all,

Just as closure, got all my tweeter questions answered. You don't have to remove the whole dash, just pop off the side dash panels, very easy. Also, apparently tweeters are really not the best sound option in general, so that's why it's so hard to find recommendations. I may get the Quadratec Super Tweeters in the future, but they seem vastly overpriced.

Also, regarding the installation of the front Mopar Kicker Upgrade speakers, it is [EXPLETIVE] ROUGH. For a beginner. First, I bought the right tools: Nut driver set for the 7MM's, Plastic prying tools, magnetic tray (best purchase ever.) It took me way too long to figure out how to get the power windows out. Had to find a youtube video that you need to push a red tab up and the pull the f out of it to get it out. Second, I had a lot of trouble pulling the dash off, even after the removal of all of the right 7mm's. You just have to pull like hell, and I was terrified the whole time I was going to break something. I had to remove a few more 7mm's, too, just to get to the speaker. Which "get to the speaker" means, have about 4 inches of working room. I was extremely perturbed to see the phillips and not the torque 15 as the directions imply. Why? Because like I said, I didn't buy some sort of complex drill that can unscrew a phillips in 1/2" working space. I did have a ratchet for the torque, but useless in this scenario. So, after a LONG time of trying to remove the phillips, I was able to get 2/3 of them, the top one was too difficult to reach with a 4" screwdriver, but then the factory speaker fell out of it. So, I replaced the speaker easily and painfully screwed back the 2 screws.

At this point, I replaced all of the 7mm's and messed with the dash, which just wasn't fitting correctly by the right air vent. Being extremely frustrated and highly anxious that I had broken something, I gave up there. I have an aftermarket glove box and didn't even want to mess with the installation on the passenger side, the "hard side." From what I've read, the phillips screws on that side are even more difficult to get to without some sort of mechanic drill. I chose to have Best Buy Geek Squad finish the installation. They did the 3rd screw I'd missed and the passenger side after taking down the Tuffy glove box. It took about an hour for them, and the tech guy showed me the drill he'd had to use to do it.

The speakers ARE a great improvement over the old sound, but I'm by no means an audiophile. Overall, it was about $30 in tools (that I'm sure I will use for other Jeep projects), 1.5 hours of my time, $80 in installation, and $140 in speakers.
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Awesome, thanks for the write up. These are next on my list too.

Hopefully the fronts will be a little easier on a 2009 JKUX with no power option.

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