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Old 06-18-2013, 07:20 AM   #1
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Be Careful with 303 High Tech Fabric Guard

Hi all,

Just a heads up. I have a 1 month old Sahara Unlimited and put on my premium soft top last Saturday (3 days ago). Yesterday afternoon, a Had a bit of spare time so I decided to treat my soft top with the bottle of 303 HTFG (High tech fabric guard) since there was no rain in the forecast. I should have been more careful when applying the stuff. It has not rained yet so I cannot comment on the performance, but while I was careful to wipe of the excess/over-spray from my ventshades and side windows, I did not notice that after I was finished, a couple of streaks went down my rear window and now they are Permanently ETCHED

In all fairness, it says right in the instructions on the rear of the bottle to wipe off immediately from vinyl and other materials. I was getting towards the end of the bottle, and the spray was not as even as in the beginning. Anyway, end result for me, is what was nice premium tinted and very clear rear window is now etched and I now have 3 blurry streaks down the middle of the window that I can clearly see in my rear view mirror.

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Old 06-18-2013, 07:42 AM   #2
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Interesting... Sorry Man! I use 303's aerospace protectant for the windows, used to use their high tech fabric protectant on my last convertible top. I don't have the premium soft top on my '12, and it doesn't feel as "fabric like" so hadn't planned to use their fabric protector on it. Hmmm... Octopus Car wash here has a "Wrangler Package" and they treated the soft top plus windows, fenders and bumpers. Lasted several months and was reasonable.

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Old 06-18-2013, 08:40 AM   #3
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I've used the 303 Aerospace protectant as well on other parts of the jeep, like bumpers, mirrors and other black plastic areas with very good results. And you are right , the premium soft top does have a much more fabric like feel than the standard soft top. And that was my reasoning with going with the Fabric Guard. I'm waiting to see if the next time it rains, if the water will just bead up on the top and roll off.

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Old 06-18-2013, 08:49 AM   #4
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Let us know how it works. I am currently using Mothers protectant. Don't know how good it is but I can get it anywhere cheap.
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:59 AM   #5
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OK GUYS OFFICIALLY CONFUSED can you use 303 protectant on the premium softtop or not??
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:51 AM   #6
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Dont worry bud its not etched on the paint. Just use a light paint cleaner with little or no abrasives in it and itll come right off.

If you want to pick up something locally that will do the job use a microfiber cloth and some Meguiars Ultimate Polish and that should take it out.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:05 AM   #7
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I use Novus 3 step polish and it works like magic. You can get it on Amazon.
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jdambm - OP is talking about 303 Fabric Guard. 303 Aerospace Protectant is ok on all these surfaces. They are two different products.
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I don't use any of the questionable 303 products. They are far too strong for every day use, and that statements comes from someone (me) who looooooooooooves protection. 303 products are just too strong and damaging.

If anyone is paranoid like me... Consider 'lesser' products and more frequent application.
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BTW, I am fairly certain the Wrangler soft-top is vynil, not canvas. Canvas is usually reserved for higher end vehicles.
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I don't use any of the questionable 303 products. They are far too strong for every day use, and that statements comes from someone (me) who looooooooooooves protection. 303 products are just too strong and damaging.

If anyone is paranoid like me... Consider 'lesser' products and more frequent application.
In what ways would they be damaging or harmful? I have used their products for a long time now with no ill effects on any vehicle I have detailed.
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I suppose I should Re-clarify what I said.
Product I used on my Premium Soft top which is Canvas, Not Vinyl: 303 High Tech Fabric Guard.
What it did: When I was done, some of the excess on the very back of the top, dribbled down at 3 places down my vinyl rear window. My window had only been on the jeep for 2 days and was perfectly clear with no scratches. When I went back to the Jeep about an hour later to see how the drying was coming along, I noticed 3 streaks of the product and a bit of over spray on the back window. The streaks were about an inch or more wide and reach about 3 quarters of the way down the window. the over spray was only at the very top part of the window. When I seen this, I grabbed a microfiber and wiped it off, but it was too late, under the dried up product, the vinyl was no longer clear, not quite cloudy, but more like blurry, as if the vinyl had ripples, like I'm looking through glasses. I tried in vain to clean the affected area with window cleaner, and even just water and a very mild soap but to no avail.

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I'm not blaming the product. Like I said, it does say so on the warning label on the back not to let it sit on other material that what it is intended for. It was me that did not completely make sure that there was no chance of it getting on the windows. In after thought, I should have removed the windows completely.

I simply want others that will be using the 303 HTFG, not to do the same mistake that I did. There will be more and more of you as there are more and more premium (Canvas) soft tops out there,
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I used the 303 Aerospace Protectant on my premium soft top with no issues and used the 303 Fabric Guard on my seats with no issues. I don't know how good they work yet as it's only been a few weeks, but there was no immediate staining etc.
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I suppose I should Re-clarify what I said.
Product I used on my Premium Soft top which is Canvas, Not Vinyl: 303 High Tech Fabric Guard.
What it did: When I was done, some of the excess on the very back of the top, dribbled down at 3 places down my vinyl rear window. My window had only been on the jeep for 2 days and was perfectly clear with no scratches. When I went back to the Jeep about an hour later to see how the drying was coming along, I noticed 3 streaks of the product and a bit of over spray on the back window. The streaks were about an inch or more wide and reach about 3 quarters of the way down the window. the over spray was only at the very top part of the window. When I seen this, I grabbed a microfiber and wiped it off, but it was too late, under the dried up product, the vinyl was no longer clear, not quite cloudy, but more like blurry, as if the vinyl had ripples, like I'm looking through glasses. I tried in vain to clean the affected area with window cleaner, and even just water and a very mild soap but to no avail.

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Ah, well in that case since it appears the vinyl window is stained al you need is a mild plastic polish to remove it. An over the counter solution would be Meguiars PlasticX and a microfiber towel with gentle pressure.
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Thanks for the Plastic X info. I'll give it a try, but it looks to me like the vinyl is now slighty textured (Pitted) where the HTFG dripped down the window. But it did not affect the Tint. So it is only visible from certain angles. I'm afraid that if I try too hard to fix it, I Might make it worse, especially by affecting the tint.

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BTW, I am fairly certain the Wrangler soft-top is vynil, not canvas. Canvas is usually reserved for higher end vehicles.
I was always under the impression that the soft top was vinyl-laminated (or infused, or whatever) canvas.

Here's something describing MOPAR tops, and the claim is that they're the same as the factory ones. Hardly definitive, but FWIW...

Mopar Soft Tops for Jeep Wrangler

The following Mopar Soft Tops are the same as production Tops. Complete Jeep Soft Top and folding framework. Made of a tough, vinyl-coated cotton/poly blend and features two quick-release header latches to raise and lower with minimal effort.
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I just sprayed 303 on my Best Top soft top and it came out wonderfully! I even over-sprayed it and didn't wipe the windows or paint until the next day when I noticed it.

Cleaned right up. Just my experience with the product so far.

EDIT- Maybe my Best Top is different than your premium soft top? My bad for not reading this clearly.
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BTW, I am fairly certain the Wrangler soft-top is vynil, not canvas. Canvas is usually reserved for higher end vehicles.
Not completely true. The first generation chrysler sebring was not a very high end vehicle. Mine came with a canvas top. Of course i replaced it with a cheaper vinyl one. The cars a rust bucket now though, thanks to the previous owners prompt replacement of the junk top (ha). By the way, the canvas tops have a water proofing treatment. It needs to be re-applied occasionally. Otherwise the water will soak through them.

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I was always under the impression that the soft top was vinyl-laminated (or infused, or whatever) canvas.

Here's something describing MOPAR tops, and the claim is that they're the same as the factory ones. Hardly definitive, but FWIW...

Mopar Soft Tops for Jeep Wrangler

The following Mopar Soft Tops are the same as production Tops. Complete Jeep Soft Top and folding framework. Made of a tough, vinyl-coated cotton/poly blend and features two quick-release header latches to raise and lower with minimal effort.
Vinyl coated cotton. Not cotton coated vinyl. On the regular soft tops, the underside is white-ish and definitely a fabric..
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I use Novus 3 step polish and it works like magic. You can get it on Amazon.
This is awesome stuff. I used it once a year before winter for the TJ's soft windows. It works best if you take off the windows and put them on a towel on a tabletop. When you apply the product use a good amount too. It will take out some pretty deep scratches and pits, you just have to work them out with the first two steps, the last step is just a finishing polish.
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The (new) premium top also bestop
3ply - acrylic, rubber bonding, cotton backing (refined finished interior feel)
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Vinyl coated cotton. Not cotton coated vinyl. On the regular soft tops, the underside is white-ish and definitely a fabric..
Who said cotton-coated vinyl? I know that I didn't...
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jdambm - OP is talking about 303 Fabric Guard. 303 Aerospace Protectant is ok on all these surfaces. They are two different products.
Thank you Zerin was a little nervous.
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Who said cotton-coated vinyl? I know that I didn't...
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