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Old 12-04-2011, 12:09 AM   #1
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BFG Mud Terrains

BFG Mud Terrains are without a doubt the worst tire I have ever used in snowy/icy conditions in almost 30 years of driving in the snow and ice. Horrible! My Jeep deserves better. They are an excellent mud and rock tire, and they do good in the desert, but forget the ice and snow.

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Well said.

Are you looking for alternatives, or just venting?

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My experience with the BFG M/T has been the complete opposite. I live in NJ and we had a pretty bad winter last year. I was very impressed with the performance of these tires in the snow and ice. I'm looking forward to using them this winter as well.

A lot of it depends on your driving habits as well as having realistic expectations.
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Not just venting, but given that these days most of my driving is rock and desert, with some muddy forest service roads thrown in, I'm not sure it would be worth replacing them for the handful of times I drive in the snow, now if I were back home in Oregon, or back in Alaska where I was driving 8 or 9 months of the year in the snow it might be. The BFG ATs are really good in the snow, just not too sure how well they would do in the rocks. I like the MTs, for the majority of my driving they are excellent and as my Jeep is my DD, they are wearing well also. When it comes time to replace them, I may do the research and see what alternatives I can come up with.
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Get your tires siped,makes a world of difference..plus makes tires wear longer,running nitto mud grapplers and all i have heard is how bad the are.. Had mine siped on they do great..
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I have been giving serious thought to getting them siped.
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BFG Mud Terrains are without a doubt the worst tire I have ever used in snowy/icy conditions in almost 30 years of driving in the snow and ice. Horrible! My Jeep deserves better. They are an excellent mud and rock tire, and they do good in the desert, but forget the ice and snow.
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Not just venting, but given that these days most of my driving is rock and desert, with some muddy forest service roads thrown in, I'm not sure it would be worth replacing them for the handful of times I drive in the snow... The BFG ATs are really good in the snow, just not too sure how well they would do in the rocks. I like the MTs, for the majority of my driving they are excellent and as my Jeep is my DD, they are wearing well also. When it comes time to replace them, I may do the research and see what alternatives I can come up with.
Lol...Your first post sounds like you're sick of the MT's, and are trying to talk yourself out of them. In your second post, it seems like you dig them in spite of their faults, and will be damned if you'll give em up.

What gives?

Look at the sections I made bold and tell me it ain't so.

As with any tire, you need to decide what your priorities are, in order. Since I live in Wisconsin and do a lot of long-distance road driving, yet still need the capability to go offroad in sometimes unexpected situations, here are mine:

1. Snow and ice capability.
3. Stability on the road (don't care about noise level).
4. Offroad capability, mainly in mud, woods, swamp environments.
5. Longevity.

No tire you buy is going to excel equally in all those areas, just like your MT vs AT dilemma. You gotta decide which features of the tires you want are most advantageous to you, and then live with the shortfalls.

FYI, I settled on GY DuraTracs. Hope I don't have to drive through an area with a lotta sharp rocks in the near future. Unfortunately, Murphy's Law says I probably will. C'est la vie.

Barring some earth-shaking technological tire breakthrough, I'll still buy the same tires when it comes time to replace em.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:43 AM   #8
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I hate replacing tires with so much tread life left, and they do perform very well for 90% of my driving. Problem is, I like my time in the mountains, and the past few years that means a fair amount of snow in the winter. Driving to and from work, snow is almost never a factor. I f I were back in Alaska, or back home in Oregon, the choice would be easy, find a tire that performs well in the snow, New Mexico, not so much. Here it is sharp rocks and mesquite thorns, and once in a while, mud and snow. I know there is a no perfect tire, but I will likely be looking for one a little more balanced, the BFGs still have at least 20k of tread life left, so I have plenty of time. In the meantime, if I have to drive in the snow, I will fire up the truck.
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I have been giving serious thought to getting them siped.
I fear the same thing, bad on ice and snow. I haven't bought my Wrangler yet, its a long story. Anyway I want a Rubicon and drive a lot in snow. No one I've spoken to at local tire shops even knows what Siping a tire is. LOL Selling the tires a taking a loss just adds to the cost of the vehicle IMO. If I could make the tires better in snow and ice I'd be happy. I'll be watching this thread! How do they perform in rain?
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Not sure why anyone would think otherwise. These are not intended as a snow tire. However my dad has them on his Colorado 4x4 but he drives very very slow
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Going into the third winter with my JK, 68k on the BFG KM's and mine have been very good in the winter, for a M/T....I drop the pressure to 20-25psi. Pure ice is a different matter. Getting to work last winter in the pic below, up hill 2ft of snow and never spun a tire....


This pic is pure ice, very interesting ride...lol
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That last ice covered hill is deadly
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mud tires arent bad in deep snow but they dont have enough surface area for harder snow and ice.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:32 AM   #14
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Your picture illustrates on of my concerns, the grooves are full and don't look to be clearing. In defense of the tires, I haven't had a problem in snow while in 4WD. Packed snow with icy patches leave me with the feeling I have no control. Last night coming home, got stuck behind a Christmas Parade, doing 2-5mph, could not use the brakes without fear of sliding into the car in front of me, scared some folks on the sidewalks when I edged closer to them to find traction, I was the only vehicle sliding, the Wrangler next to me with the standard sport tires had no issues, nor did the Rubicon ahead of the car in front of me with unknown tires, just know they weren't stock. I am thinking an onboard compressor may be a future addition, as I do think they would perform much better aired down so that there was more surface contact. I will say they were very difficult conditions, it had snowed, roads were wet, and the temps as we were heading home were 30-32 degrees. Once we got on the highway, we had no more issues as the roads were still just wet.
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That last ice covered hill is deadly
For sure, this is the road I have to take to get to work...like this pretty much all winter. Stopping at the bottom is tricky sometimes, it's a state highway and it seems as if there's always something comimg one one or the other, when I plow it, I put a pile at the bottom to run into if need be...



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mud tires arent bad in deep snow but they dont have enough surface area for harder snow and ice.
I agree 100%, I've hit black ice last winter and the only thing that kept me upright was the ESP kicked in and saved my butt...dropping the pressure has helped some, I'm looking now for tires that might be good for me year 'round...do they exist?




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Your picture illustrates on of my concerns, the grooves are full and don't look to be clearing. In defense of the tires, I haven't had a problem in snow while in 4WD. Packed snow with icy patches leave me with the feeling I have no control. Last night coming home, got stuck behind a Christmas Parade, doing 2-5mph, could not use the brakes without fear of sliding into the car in front of me, scared some folks on the sidewalks when I edged closer to them to find traction, I was the only vehicle sliding, the Wrangler next to me with the standard sport tires had no issues, nor did the Rubicon ahead of the car in front of me with unknown tires, just know they weren't stock. I am thinking an onboard compressor may be a future addition, as I do think they would perform much better aired down so that there was more surface contact. I will say they were very difficult conditions, it had snowed, roads were wet, and the temps as we were heading home were 30-32 degrees. Once we got on the highway, we had no more issues as the roads were still just wet.
As I was reading your post, I was nodding my head with every sentence...I know exactly what you mean..I guess because of where I live, I've just gotten used to these conditions, but the M/T's are certainly not the ideal winter tire.

I may wind up buying and extra set of wheels and get some good winters mounted, I've got Cooper M&S Discoverers on the wifes WJ and my Dodge p/u, they have been a great tire but the sizes that are available don't quite fit my JK's needs.....
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Interesting to hear your take. I've got a new Rubicon and have had it in mud and crusty snow/ice off road and haven't had any problems. A couple of days ago we went up into the Carson out by Mora looking for Christmas trees, and it performed brilliantly on several miles of forest road, some of which was tracked and some wasn't. I've also driven up to the top of Taos Ski Valley on packed snow at a pretty severe incline with no problems. I'll be careful to watch for traction issues on transitional surfaces on pavement, like on the paved road coming down from the base of the ski area.
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No one I've spoken to at local tire shops even knows what Siping a tire is. LOL
So where does one go to get siped? Is it expensive?
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So where does one go to get siped? Is it expensive?
A good tire shop should be able to Sipe tires, at least that's what I've read. Around here no one knows what I'm talking about. Cost from what I've read should be about $15-$20 a tire give or take.
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I fear the same thing, bad on ice and snow. I haven't bought my Wrangler yet, its a long story. Anyway I want a Rubicon and drive a lot in snow. No one I've spoken to at local tire shops even knows what Siping a tire is. LOL Selling the tires a taking a loss just adds to the cost of the vehicle IMO. If I could make the tires better in snow and ice I'd be happy. I'll be watching this thread! How do they perform in rain?
Tire shops not knowing what siping is?? wow.. Discount tire siped mine for 13 bucks a piece i live in denver right now as we speak the roads are sheets of ice, running air @ 25 psi and in 4 hi Drives just fine
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My experience with the BFG M/T has been the complete opposite. I live in NJ and we had a pretty bad winter last year. I was very impressed with the performance of these tires in the snow and ice. I'm looking forward to using them this winter as well.

A lot of it depends on your driving habits as well as having realistic expectations.
Same thing. NJ no problems. I guess that's why there are a bizzilion tire choices. Get what works for you.
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All right, I'll bite. What is siping? j
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I recently got BFG M/T's, but haven't had them in the snow yet... They were great when I took them offroad, but now all this talk is worrying me about the snow, and we get a good amount of it here in NY. I was doing some research elsewhere online about siping, and I read that if you get them siped, or do it yourself, then it decreases its offroad capability/ durablilty and will be prone to chunking.

Any thoughts on this?

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I recently got BFG M/T's, but haven't had them in the snow yet... They were great when I took them offroad, but now all this talk is worrying me about the snow, and we get a good amount of it here in NY. I was doing some research elsewhere online about siping, and I read that if you get them siped, or do it yourself, then it decreases its offroad capability/ durablilty and will be prone to chunking.

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. Thats not true at all, i have had 3 sets siped,and none of those you mentioned,in fact usually helps tire wear the sipes help the tires lugs cool better..
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. Thats not true at all, i have had 3 sets siped,and none of those you mentioned,in fact usually helps tire wear the sipes help the tires lugs cool better..
Cool...I've been doing more research since I posted, and I've found conflicting reports. However, its seems that all the positive reports are written by people who've actually done it, while the negative ones are by those who haven't, and are writing based on theory... It also seems that many people recommend siping yourself rather than getting it done professionally. This is because at a shop the machine doesn't account for tread design. Also, offroaders like to only sipe the tread in the middle of the tire, as siping on the outer tread can increase the chance of chunking.

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Discount tire has hand tool, i sat right there directing the guy doing it, i siped across treads only my tire is 13.50 wide and i siped middle 9 inches
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I fear the same thing, bad on ice and snow. I haven't bought my Wrangler yet, its a long story. Anyway I want a Rubicon and drive a lot in snow. No one I've spoken to at local tire shops even knows what Siping a tire is. LOL Selling the tires a taking a loss just adds to the cost of the vehicle IMO. If I could make the tires better in snow and ice I'd be happy. I'll be watching this thread! How do they perform in rain?
They don't know what siping is? In NY? I'd find another tire shop, if it was me.

As far as driving in the snow...that was the biggest factor in my decision to buy GY DuraTracs. Can't get much better in snow than the DT's, unless you wanna buy Blizzaks.

Ice...you're on your own there. Nothing beats ice, even if you get studs.
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Discount tire has hand tool, i sat right there directing the guy doing it, i siped across treads only my tire is 13.50 wide and i siped middle 9 inches
Well, I don't have a Discount Tire any where near me... Maybe I'll just go into my local tire shops and see what they have
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Well, I don't have a Discount Tire any where near me... Maybe I'll just go into my local tire shops and see what they have
Most likely, they'll sell you junk. Don't settle. Check w/the WF vendors (DTD comes to mind, don't know why...).

You'll save a ton of $$ and get what you want.
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Most likely, they'll sell you junk. Don't settle. Check w/the WF vendors (DTD comes to mind, don't know why...).

You'll save a ton of $$ and get what you want.
What do you mean? I'm not looking to get new tires... I meant to see what they use to do siping... if it's the machine, then I wouldn't do it, but if its done by hand then I might go for it, because I don't want siping on the outer treads
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Your picture illustrates on of my concerns, the grooves are full and don't look to be clearing.
That's exactly what you DO want in the snow. MT's clearing the snow as they do mud, is one of the main reasons they are not usually good in the snow. Snow sticks to snow.

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