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Old 02-16-2017, 03:43 PM
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Big Bear???

What are your thoughts on the new package?
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Especially compared to the Sport S and Willy's packages?

- 17-Inch Five-Spoke Mid-Gloss Black Aluminum Wheels with BFGoodrich KO2™ All-Terrain Tires
- Off-Road Rock Rails
- Topographical Hood Decal
- Premium Soft Top
- Black Taillamp Guards and Fuel Filler Door
- Trail Rated® Kit
- Standard AC

But a 3.21 Front/Rear Axel Ratio standard, although there's a 3.73 option, as well as a Trac-Lok® Differential Rear Axle option.

MSRP: $29,690 which is $400 more than the Willy's (Non-W)

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Damn good bang for the buck. Here is how I broke it down in another thread.

I justified the Big Bear because a base Sport with auto, air, hard top connectivity and the wheel tire package which comes with deep tint sunscreen would only be $1400 cheaper than the BB. For that extra $1400 I'm getting quite a bit. PCG, better tires, unique wheels, 115v outlet, black fuel filler door and taillight guards, and rock rails. On the flipside a similarly equipped Sport S would cost $1300. And would not get everything included in the BB package.


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I just went to the Jeep Site...I don't see this package.
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I just went to the Jeep Site...I don't see this package.
I should say that it's not a package but a model, sorry. So when you select the Wrangler model on the Jeep website, it should be there...
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I just went to the Jeep Site...I don't see this package.
http://m.jeep.com/hostc/bmo/CUJ20170...KJS72C&llp=2TJ
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I ordered one because it was the almost identical in price to the sport with the cold weather group with the biggest difference is I was able to get a rear locker on the big bear. The only negative for me was the big bear requires the Alpine upgrade for heated seats and I'm doing aftermarket for audio so I'll just have to add the heated seats myself.
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I ordered one because it was the almost identical in price to the sport with the cold weather group with the biggest difference is I was able to get a rear locker on the big bear. The only negative for me was the big bear requires the Alpine upgrade for heated seats and I'm doing aftermarket for audio so I'll just have to add the heated seats myself.
Have any idea what the hood actually looks like? I can't see it from the 3 angle photos on the Jeep website...
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Looks like a good deal to me and comes with A/T instead of M/T. Frenchi, the hood looks like it just has a decal on it.
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Especially compared to the Sport S and Willy's packages?

- 17-Inch Five-Spoke Mid-Gloss Black Aluminum Wheels with BFGoodrich KO2™ All-Terrain Tires
- Off-Road Rock Rails
- Topographical Hood Decal
- Premium Soft Top
- Black Taillamp Guards and Fuel Filler Door
- Trail Rated® Kit
- Standard AC

But a 3.21 Front/Rear Axel Ratio standard, although there's a 3.73 option, as well as a Trac-Lok® Differential Rear Axle option.

MSRP: $29,690 which is $400 more than the Willy's (Non-W)
Another thing to add is that it has a Heavy Duty Suspension with Gas Shocks Standard!
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Have any idea what the hood actually looks like? I can't see it from the 3 angle photos on the Jeep website...
Someone posted a pic in the 2017 waiting room thread, looks like the black bear but with the big bear trail instead of black bear pass.
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Well that's new. They must have just added the BB to the build and price.


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Looks like a good deal to me and comes with A/T instead of M/T. Frenchi, the hood looks like it just has a decal on it.
What do you mean "instead of?"
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Have any idea what the hood actually looks like? I can't see it from the 3 angle photos on the Jeep website...






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Have any idea what the hood actually looks like? I can't see it from the 3 angle photos on the Jeep website...
Memeber ArcherAce works at the Toledo factory.
He posted these in the 2017 waiting thread.



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I just built a Big Bear as I go for my Trailhawk trade assessment tomorrow after work. My total came to $36,190.
- block heater
- 3.73 axles
- Trac-Loc
- Heated seats
- headliner
- trailer tow
- LED lights
- Freedom 3 pc top
- 430N
- Alpine

I am not sure if it is worth saving $6,125 sticker price to get the Big Bear over the Rubicon Hard Rock. I don't care about leather seats, I am going to put Headwaters Seat Covers on them anyway. If I am not going to lift the Jeep, nor put bigger tires on it, is it worth paying for the D44 up front? I could put the difference towards some different bumpers in place of the 10As that come on the RHR.

Thoughts?
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I just built a Big Bear as I go for my Trailhawk trade assessment tomorrow after work. My total came to $36,190.
- block heater
- 3.73 axles
- Trac-Loc
- Heated seats
- headliner
- trailer tow
- LED lights
- Freedom 3 pc top
- 430N
- Alpine

I am not sure if it is worth saving $6,125 sticker price to get the Big Bear over the Rubicon Hard Rock. I don't care about leather seats, I am going to put Headwaters Seat Covers on them anyway. If I am not going to lift the Jeep, nor put bigger tires on it, is it worth paying for the D44 up front? I could put the difference towards some different bumpers in place of the 10As that come on the RHR.

Thoughts?
Other than the 430N radio upgrade, sounds like a good set up. Do you need the Trailer tow package? How often do you tow? You could also save some money if you drop the Alpine speaker upgrade, and do Mopar 6 speaker Kicker upgrade yourself (that will save you around $700).

The LED lights.....THIS IS A MUST!

Heated seats? Turn in your man card.

IMO, if you are not doing serious, serious rock climbing or putting 35"or larger tires you do not need the D44. I have survived much 4x4 action over the years, with much much less. And besides the Hard Rock editions, are no longer available to order. I have had two Rubicons before, and found out I did not really need any of the features they have for 99.9% of what I do. And I have had much lesser vehicles over the years, in terms of off road capabilities (such as Ford Rangers) that have done more 4x4 work that I would ever even get close to here.


Other than that I like the Big Bear package, though the hood decal may get old after awhile. To me it seems kind of strange to have a map on the hood of your vehicle of a place you have never visited. But, it could be motivation to visit that area and do the trail with your Jeep. Or just take a camping/hiking trip in the area, that your Jeep transports you to.
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I just built a Big Bear as I go for my Trailhawk trade assessment tomorrow after work. My total came to $36,190.
- block heater
- 3.73 axles
- Trac-Loc
- Heated seats
- headliner
- trailer tow
- LED lights
- Freedom 3 pc top
- 430N
- Alpine

I am not sure if it is worth saving $6,125 sticker price to get the Big Bear over the Rubicon Hard Rock. I don't care about leather seats, I am going to put Headwaters Seat Covers on them anyway. If I am not going to lift the Jeep, nor put bigger tires on it, is it worth paying for the D44 up front? I could put the difference towards some different bumpers in place of the 10As that come on the RHR.

Thoughts?


You could save so much doing the tow package yourself. I bought a used take off hitch for $20 on Craigslist and $25 for the harness from Quadratec. If you wanna go all new the whole kit is around $80 on Quadratec.


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Hmm. I'm at $36,720 for just the Alpine, 3.73, LSD and freedom top. How did you get it lower with the additional stuff?

Glad that I can build one on the site now, since I'm wanting to mess around with packages before I go in and order one. Got a few dealers sending me their pricing tomorrow to see which ones can do the best off of invoice.
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Other than the 430N radio upgrade, sounds like a good set up. Do you need the Trailer tow package? How often do you tow? You could also save some money if you drop the Alpine speaker upgrade, and do Mopar 6 speaker Kicker upgrade yourself (that will save you around $700).

The LED lights.....THIS IS A MUST!

Heated seats? Turn in your man card.

IMO, if you are not doing serious, serious rock climbing or putting 35"or larger tires you do not need the D44. I have survived much 4x4 action over the years, with much much less. And besides the Hard Rock editions, are no longer available to order. I have had two Rubicons before, and found out I did not really need any of the features they have for 99.9% of what I do. And I have had much lesser vehicles over the years, in terms of off road capabilities (such as Ford Rangers) that have done more 4x4 work that I would ever even get close to here.


Other than that I like the Big Bear package, though the hood decal may get old after awhile. To me it seems kind of strange to have a map on the hood of your vehicle of a place you have never visited. But, it could be motivation to visit that area and do the trail with your Jeep. Or just take a camping/hiking trip in the area, that your Jeep transports you to.
I tow about 10,000 miles a year. I have posted up pictures of my trailer here this week. So the trailer package is a must. I had the 430N in my 2012 Cummins, it was okay. My Trailhawk is pretty darn good off-road, but I need more ground clearance. I also miss shifting!! This is my first auto. I don't anticipate heavy rock crawling, but I do want to do more challenging trails than I can take my Cherokee on.
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You could save so much doing the tow package yourself. I bought a used take off hitch for $20 on Craigslist and $25 for the harness from Quadratec. If you wanna go all new the whole kit is around $80 on Quadratec.


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Hello. So are you saying there is no difference in engine cooling, brake size, suspension or engine tuning with the factory trailer package? Would it still come with sway control and such? I have always opted for the factory packages, except on my Frontier where I could not get it easily. I have more tools than I like to move around, so installing one is not an issue.
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Other than that I like the Big Bear package, though the hood decal may get old after awhile.
I assume one could easily remove the hood decal if you want?
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Getting the max tow package gets you the 3.73 gears @$845. Just 3.73 gears is $695.
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Hello. So are you saying there is no difference in engine cooling, brake size, suspension or engine tuning with the factory trailer package? Would it still come with sway control and such? I have always opted for the factory packages, except on my Frontier where I could not get it easily. I have more tools than I like to move around, so installing one is not an issue.


The tow package is just a hitch and 4 pin connector. The max towing package on the JKU includes 3.73 gears.


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Thanks guys. I just guess one last question. I tried Google but had little luck. What would be the crawl ratio difference between 3.73 and 4.10 with the 6spd? I have had issues in the past with my Frontier and Chevy 1500 not having a low enough gear...requiring extra clutch riding which makes my spine bend.
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The tow package is just a hitch and 4 pin connector. The max towing package on the JKU includes 3.73 gears.


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I tow about 10,000 miles a year. I have posted up pictures of my trailer here this week. So the trailer package is a must. I had the 430N in my 2012 Cummins, it was okay. My Trailhawk is pretty darn good off-road, but I need more ground clearance. I also miss shifting!! This is my first auto. I don't anticipate heavy rock crawling, but I do want to do more challenging trails than I can take my Cherokee on.
Then I would get the tow package. Sounds good.
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Then I would get the tow package. Sounds good.
Thank you.
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Hello. So are you saying there is no difference in engine cooling, brake size, suspension or engine tuning with the factory trailer package? Would it still come with sway control and such? I have always opted for the factory packages, except on my Frontier where I could not get it easily. I have more tools than I like to move around, so installing one is not an issue.
Pretty sure the Max Tow package only gives you the hitch and 3.73 gears. The regular tow package is just the hitch.

No upgrades on cooling, brakes, suspension, engine tuning or anything with their tow packages.

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