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Old 08-11-2011, 02:42 PM   #1
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Bigger Tires - No Lift (for now)

Hey there! I have 3 questions that I have been mulling over for some time now, and I could really use some input.

1.) I am considering skipping a 2.5" lift for now and upgrading my tires to 33 inch tires as I believe I can run 33s on my stock wheels without a lift. My Jeep is a 2011 2 door Sport with 17 inch rims. I am considering either 33X11.50X17 or 33X12.50X17 tires but not sure which of these sizes will fit on my stock wheels. What is the difference between the 11.50 and 12.50? Would wheel spacers of 5 on 5 by 1.5 inches be enough, or should I go with the 2.0 inch spacers to completely prevent rubbing with either size tire?

2.) I have also considered purchasing new (or a great set of used) 15 or 16 inch wheels and tires as the tires to fit these sizes are much cheaper than my current 17 inch wheels and tires. Would either of the 15 or 16 inch wheels look good with 33s? Which do you think would look better?

3.) My current tires are 255/75/17 which I believe equals a 32X10X17. By upgrading to 33 inch tires vs my current 32 inch tires, how much of a lift will this provide without actually getting a suspension lift?

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Sorry just wanted to see the answer’s you get. Thanks

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1.) I am considering skipping a 2.5" lift for now and upgrading my tires to 33 inch tires as I believe I can run 33s on my stock wheels without a lift. My Jeep is a 2011 2 door Sport with 17 inch rims. I am considering either 33X11.50X17 or 33X12.50X17 tires but not sure which of these sizes will fit on my stock wheels. What is the difference between the 11.50 and 12.50? Would wheel spacers of 5 on 5 by 1.5 inches be enough, or should I go with the 2.0 inch spacers to completely prevent rubbing with either size tire?
1.5" SpiderTrax will be fine. I don't think 2" spacers are even available.

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2.) I have also considered purchasing new (or a great set of used) 15 or 16 inch wheels and tires as the tires to fit these sizes are much cheaper than my current 17 inch wheels and tires. Would either of the 15 or 16 inch wheels look good with 33s? Which do you think would look better?
Both look great. ESP123 has 15" MB72s that he's posted pictures of. Hilldweller has 16" Soft Eights (I believe) that he's posted pictures of. Either looks great.

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3.) My current tires are 255/75/17 which I believe equals a 32X10X17. By upgrading to 33 inch tires vs my current 32 inch tires, how much of a lift will this provide without actually getting a suspension lift?
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MTH gave you all the info you asked for. I love the look of 33's on 15 inch wheels. I don't have a lift and I have no rubbing at all. This is because the wheels I am running have 3.75 inches of backspacing, which brings them out further away from the jeep. Also the difference between the 11.5 and 12.5 is the tire width. One is 11.5 inches wide and the other is 12.5 inches. The 12.5 will give your Jeep a more aggressive look. It is what I have. My tires are Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs in 33x12.5x15.

I would recommend getting your new wheels and tires at the same time so that you don't have to invest in spacers.
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Forgot to ask.....if I get the 15 or 16 inch wheels, how much back spacing do I need?

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Forgot to ask.....if I get the 15 or 16 inch wheels, how much back spacing do I need?

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As long as you stay under 4.5 inches of backspacing, you should be fine.
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Tysalem -

Thanks for the info! Your ride looks VERY nice. I really do like the 15 inch wheels. I thought they might look too small, but they look great! Do you think if I got a 2 or a 2.5 inch BB in the future that the 15 inch wheels on 33s would look too small with the lift? Also, I was told to get 4.5 inches of backspacing to not have any rubbing. I see that you have 3.75 inches of back spacing. Does the 3.75 inches push the wheels out away from the jeep further than the 4.5 inches?
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Forgot to ask.....if I get the 15 or 16 inch wheels, how much back spacing do I need?

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With 16" wheels, 5" will work for 33s. With 15" wheels, some need less due to the brakes. 3.75" is safe usually.

I'm totally against spacers and always nod toward new wheels with appropriate backspacing. Saves on weight, saves on potential failure points, saves on complexity. Sell your OE wheels, shop well, and new wheels cost less than spacers anyhow.

I sold my OE Sahara wheels and replaced them with ProComp 1059 polished alloys shod with Goodyear Wrangler MTR/kevlars at first --- 285/75-16 tires on 16x8 wheels with 4.5" backspacing. They rubbed the rear fenders enough to pop them off a bit at full-stuff.




Those tires did fine except in bad mud; they didn't clean out well.



I was also bumping my rear on departures and high-centering. So I lifted 2.5" and replaced the tires with 255/85-16 KM2s when it was time for new rubber.



Those tires were great in mud but hydroplaned on wet streets.
BFG refunded my $$ and I bought some Cooper Discoverer STTs in the tried-and-true 285/75-16 size.
This was the best combo for me. Tire prices from Treadepot matched by local Discount Tire; wheels from 4WheelParts during one of their one-day supersales for $85/each.

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Tysalem -

Thanks for the info! Your ride looks VERY nice. I really do like the 15 inch wheels. I thought they might look too small, but they look great! Do you think if I got a 2 or a 2.5 inch BB in the future that the 15 inch wheels on 33s would look too small with the lift? Also, I was told to get 4.5 inches of backspacing to not have any rubbing. I see that you have 3.75 inches of back spacing. Does the 3.75 inches push the wheels out away from the jeep further than the 4.5 inches?
I originally thought that 15 inch wheels would look too small too, but after doing some research and finding pictures of some jk's with 15's on them, I knew it was what I wanted.

33 inch tires will look great with a 2.5 inch lift. Some people run 35 inch tires with that lift, but then you may have to look into re-gearing which is something I don't want to do yet. I am planning on putting a 2.5 inch lift on my Jeep in the next few months.

Yeah 4.5 inches will be plenty. It will still give you that wide stance with the wheels coming past the fenders just a little bit. Yes, the 3.75 inches of backspacing brings the tires .75 inches out more than the 4.5.
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Remember that the farther you stick out, the more wear and tear on the bearings and other hard parts. Also will create differences in your scrub radius; a small change is offset by the larger tires.
I'd stick with 16s and 5"-4.5" backspacing for 33s.

15s would be ideal if the brakes were smaller.

BTW, I regeared to 4.56 for the 33s. I had an auto and it was needed.
If I could do it again, I'd go with 4.88s in fact.
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Remember that the farther you stick out, the more wear and tear on the bearings and other hard parts. Also will create differences in your scrub radius; a small change is offset by the larger tires.
I'd stick with 16s and 5"-4.5" backspacing for 33s.

15s would be ideal if the brakes were smaller.
A lot of 15 inch wheels do not work with JK's because of caliper clearance issues. I found pro-comp wheels that are pretty much identical to Cragar soft 8's and I haven't had any issues with them.
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Also remember about the vehicle inspection rules for the area you live in, for example here in Maryland it is illegal for your tires to stick out past your fender flares for state inspection, but you only need to get it done once when you first purchase a vehicle and then you can modify away. Virginia doesn't care about tire width as much since you need a yearly safety check. So either make friends with a safety inspector or invest in new fender flares.
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A lot of 15 inch wheels do not work with JK's because of caliper clearance issues. I found pro-comp wheels that are pretty much identical to Cragar soft 8's and I haven't had any issues with them.
You understand what I'm saying about the added stress by sticking the wheels out farther though, right?
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Also remember about the vehicle inspection rules for the area you live in, for example here in Maryland it is illegal for your tires to stick out past your fender flares for state inspection, but you only need to get it done once when you first purchase a vehicle and then you can modify away. Virginia doesn't care about tire width as much since you need a yearly safety check. So either make friends with a safety inspector or invest in new fender flares.
That's why I suggested 5" bs for 285/75-16. No sticky outty.
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A lot of 15 inch wheels do not work with JK's because of caliper clearance issues. I found pro-comp wheels that are pretty much identical to Cragar soft 8's and I haven't had any issues with them.

MB72's can be installed without rubbing or caliper modification ESP123 has them on his jeep and they look sick
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These are 285/75/16 (32.8"x11.5") with 4.5" backspacing. No lift, only rubs rear fenders when offroading.
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You understand what I'm saying about the added stress by sticking the wheels out farther though, right?
Yeah I do understand that. I didn't read your other post clear enough I guess.
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desertgoose! When are we going wheeling? haha
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I was checking out your pics. Looks almost like I-17 in the background? Soon I hope!
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I was checking out your pics. Looks almost like I-17 in the background? Soon I hope!
Nope, I live off of Pecos Rd and 24th in Ahwatukee. The I-17 is a little ways away.
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Ok....I think I have this all figured out.

Here is the set up I think I'll go with and let me know how this sounds:

16 inch wheels with 4.5" of BS - would 16X8 be the best size?
33X11.50X16 tires (either 285/75/16 or 295/75/16)
2.5" Teraflex BB with shock extenders (can't decide if I wanna replace the stock shocks with longer ones yet)

Questions......would this wheel/tire size cause any rubbing at all without the lift? I can't afford to get the lift yet till next spring. I don't do any off-roading at all as this is my DD on the highway and there is nowhere to go off-roading near me. Would I need to get my speedometer re-calibrated? Would I have any brake caliper issues with this wheel/tire setup before or after the lift?

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Forgot to add that my gearing is only the 3.21s. Would this be enough for the setup that I want to go with without causing any problems?
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Ok....I think I have this all figured out.

Here is the set up I think I'll go with and let me know how this sounds:

16 inch wheels with 4.5" of BS - would 16X8 be the best size?
33X11.50X16 tires (either 285/75/16 or 295/75/16)
2.5" Teraflex BB with shock extenders (can't decide if I wanna replace the stock shocks with longer ones yet)

Questions......would this wheel/tire size cause any rubbing at all without the lift? I can't afford to get the lift yet till next spring. I don't do any off-roading at all as this is my DD on the highway and there is nowhere to go off-roading near me. Would I need to get my speedometer re-calibrated? Would I have any brake caliper issues with this wheel/tire setup before or after the lift?

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You shouldn't have any issues with this setup. The rubbing that normally occurs with 33's is only on full turns where the tire rubs on the inside of the wheel well (I think). Since you will have the proper backspacing, you wont have any rubbing.

You can definitely wait for a lift, like I said, that is exactly what I am doing. You will get some rubbing off-road because of the tires flexing up into the fender flares, but it sounds like you not going to be too much off road driving so that's not an issue.

As far as getting the speedo re-calibrated, I didn't get mine done, and now I just pay attention and realize that I am going about 5 mph faster than what it shows.
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Forgot to add that my gearing is only the 3.21s. Would this be enough for the setup that I want to go with without causing any problems?
You have 32 inch tires right now right? If so, then moving up to 33's won't make that much of a difference. Do you have an automatic or a manual transmission?

I have a 6-speed and when I changed from 29 to 33 inch tires, I really noticed a difference in power. I just started revving the rpm's a little higher than before to get up to speed. My gearing is 3.73 and it is plenty for 33's. As long as your happy with the power you have right now, the 3.21 gearing should be fine. Not to mention that re-gearing is pretty pricey.
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Yeah, my stock tires are 32X10, and I have a manual 6 speed as well (they're more fun to drive ).

I don't really have a problem with the power from the 3.21s. When going up a hill, I just rev the RPMs a little higher (to between 2500 and 3000 depending on the hill) before shifting, and I can usually maintain around 60 mph on a moderately steep hill. On a really steep hill, I have to shift into 4th and keep the RPMs up till I get almost to the top of the hill before shifting back into 5th and 6th.
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Shouldn't notice much difference in power or mileage unless you get aggressive mud tires. I probably lost 2mpg going from 29-33". I got A/T because mostly driving on road and we don't get a lot of mud here. These tires handled it well the few times I did play in the mud.
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Ok....I think I have this all figured out.

Here is the set up I think I'll go with and let me know how this sounds:

16 inch wheels with 4.5" of BS - would 16X8 be the best size? Yes
33X11.50X16 tires (either 285/75/16 or 295/75/16) the 285s have more choices, better prices
2.5" Teraflex BB with shock extenders (can't decide if I wanna replace the stock shocks with longer ones yet) Spring for a set of Bilsteins in the right length; it will work so much better. Also get cambolts and have them tack welded in place or get adjustable control arms for camber.

Questions......would this wheel/tire size cause any rubbing at all without the lift? Yes; a little on the rear fenders sometimes. I can't afford to get the lift yet till next spring. I don't do any off-roading at all as this is my DD on the highway and there is nowhere to go off-roading near me. Would I need to get my speedometer re-calibrated? Yes Would I have any brake caliper issues with this wheel/tire setup before or after the lift? No

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Forgot to add that my gearing is only the 3.21s. Would this be enough for the setup that I want to go with without causing any problems?
Won't be too terrible with the manual trans but you'll have to row a bit harder. 4.10s from a donor Rubi would be nice.
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I am definitely getting A/Ts. I had a 2006 Wrangler TJ that I mistakenly put BFG Muds on and OMG did they ever sing on the highway. Drove me nuts! And the ride quality wasn't that great either. I ended up replacing them with the BFG all terrains. Ahhhh.....much better.

I am actually looking at the General Grabber AT2 tires in the 285/75/16s (still looking for new 16 inch wheels yet). They're very similar to the BFG all terrain tires (I think the T/A K/O?), but a lot cheaper. And according to Tire Rack, they seem to have a pretty decent rating.

I'm trying to keep my tire and wheel budget to around $1200 - $1300, but it's getting difficult since I am pretty well set on getting the General Grabbers. For wheels, I would like to get a mostly black wheel with some shiny silver aluminum accents to make them pop. I was looking at the Helo Series HE842.
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4.10s from a donor Rubi would be nice.
Can't do it--won't fit.

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