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Old 12-07-2011, 10:51 AM   #1
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Will the brushes from a car wash ruin my black paint? Its cold and I don't like the way the brushless car washes leave dirt is certain areas.

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You are better to use the hand pressure washer & the sponge, the brushes may scratch it being black it's a softer paint than other colors. I don't find those type of car washers do a good job anyhow

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Will the brushes from a car wash ruin my black paint? Its cold and I don't like the way the brushless car washes leave dirt is certain areas.
Id do it by hand i never did trust those things. They seem to beat up your jeep more than anything. And then itll water spot when you drive off unless you have towels with you
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They won't ruin it per se but swirl marks are a garantee
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No. I bring through the wash 3-4 times a month. I had it professionally detailed. They used a buffer and that got rid of the swirl marks. The wash has not caused the swirl marks to return.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:19 AM   #6
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You are better to use the hand pressure washer & the sponge, the brushes may scratch it being black it's a softer paint than other colors. I don't find those type of car washers do a good job anyhow
I was unaware of that.
Are darker pigments usually softer?
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:24 PM   #7
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I took mine through the car wash and got some microscratches, I had to use a buffer and Black wax to get it looking good again. Guaranteed it is the last Car Wash my jeep will ever see. Hand washing only from now on.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:26 PM   #8
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I took my mustang through one once (she was cherry red) got little scratches and it stained the spoiler with water spots. Never again...
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I was always told that they did.

The machine brush wash that you drive through and the brushes at the do it yourself stalls.

It's so ingrained in, lol, that I'm in disbelief/shocked when I see people using those do it yourself brushes at the car wash on "nicer" cars.

From what I understood, it's not so much the brushes themselves (auto or the DIY'er) but the dirt/particles that can get trapped in them.

The same way when even doing it yourself at home, you normally work with like 2 buckets, and some people even have a "grit guard" at bottom of the bucket to try to prevent dirt getting back on the cleaning tool then back on your vehicle.

Why not just do a "pressure wash" yourself at a stall?
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If I need a quick wash and don't have much time, I have used the Touchless Automatic Wash with no issues
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I was unaware of that.
Are darker pigments usually softer?
No.

Black and darker colors will show scratches in the clear coat more than lighter colors and specially silver.

"Touch less" car washes are fine, which just use some high pressure spray. They will not get your surface as clean as a good hand wash especially areas like the top of bumpers and fenders. They also will not scratch your finish.

The car washes with rotary brushes and/our flaps will also not get all areas on your Jeep clean and they frequently pick up small particles that are rubbed across your vehicle and that ends up in scratches. They also have damage waver statements so they are now your scratches. Most can be buffed out with a good polish and buffer. My vehicles never see one of these type of washes.

To me, it's worth it to get crap sprayed off the vehicle and the underside with almost zero effort and every few weeks between hand washes, I'll run it through a "touch less" wash. Since the gas station with the wash is 2.5 miles away, I'll sometimes use a pail and a brush to hit the dirty spots that the wash misses, then drive to the wash. Not as good as a full hand wash, but pretty good.

Cold up here, and hand washing is getting less frequent.
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Especially silver? That's the best color
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:34 PM   #13
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I'm taking mine to the car wash (stall pressure wash) after work, got too much mud on it this weekend to hand wash.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:42 PM   #14
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I never use the brushes at a car wash because you never know what is stuck inbetween the bristles from the last guy that used it. Dirt, rusty pieces of metal, etc. Same goes for drive through car washes with the rotating brushes. Stay away from those unless you don't mind scratches all the time.

When I wash any of my cars in the winter at a do-it-yourself car wash I toss a 5 gallon bucket in the back that is half full of hot water and soap and place a lid on it. Once at the car wash I power wash as much stuff off as possible until I run out of time. I then hand wash using the stuff I brought with me (don't do this if the place is busy ). Then just add some more money and rinse off the soap and then a spot free rinse and I am done.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:28 PM   #15
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Not only do I own a Jeep - I am a crazy car detailing guy. I own numerous waxes and polishes, a Porter Cable DA 7424, and belong to a great car detailing forum. I would suggest not running black through brushes. You will get swirls and the paint will start to look grey. If it is cold, try pouring some hot water in your wash bucket. I use a tea pot and boil the water, then fill the rest with normal water. Makes it a little easier. Also, if you have a good coat of wax on there, it will be easier to dry.

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Black and darker colors will show scratches in the clear coat more than lighter colors and specially silver.

This ^^ the darker colors just show the scratches better. Paint hardness is not a function of the pigment as most cars have a clear coat on top of the color layer which generally has NO pigment in it (some mfr's use a tinted clear however with certain color coats).

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I never use the brushes at a car wash because you never know what is stuck inbetween the bristles from the last guy that used it. Dirt, rusty pieces of metal, etc. Same goes for drive through car washes with the rotating brushes. Stay away from those unless you don't mind scratches all the time.

When I wash any of my cars in the winter at a do-it-yourself car wash I toss a 5 gallon bucket in the back that is half full of hot water and soap and place a lid on it. Once at the car wash I power wash as much stuff off as possible until I run out of time. I then hand wash using the stuff I brought with me (don't do this if the place is busy ). Then just add some more money and rinse off the soap and then a spot free rinse and I am done.
Exactly, it's not that the "soft touch" cloth washes are using poor materials necessarily, it's that they grind in all the dirt they washed of the last vehicles into your paint. If you go to a DIY car wash with the sprayer and get off all the caked mud/etc. so the vehicle is just a "normal" level of dirty, you can actually take it back to your garage and wash it IN the garage with a rinseless wash.

It's a wash type which creates minimal water and you can just squeegee or maybe leaf blower the water out of the garage after. Note, rinseless wash is a specific type of product, you can't just use normal car wash solution and not rinse it. Totally different type of formulation. Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine: clay lubricant, optimum rinseless wash, no rinse car wash, optimum detailing products
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Regarding washing. If you are serious, only do "Touch Washing" yourself. That is with a Sheep skin Mitt and soap water with lots of foam to avoid scratching.

If you are using the automated drive through washers, use a touchless system. You have no idea how much those contact carswashers will scratch your vehicle.

The swirls are usually caused by lower quality buffers (rotary buffers will cause swirls too). In order to not have swirls, a "Random Orbital Buffer" needs to be used. Porter Cable has one but it's in the range of $180.00 something.
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[/QUOTE]Exactly, it's not that the "soft touch" cloth washes are using poor materials necessarily, it's that they grind in all the dirt they washed of the last vehicles into your paint. If you go to a DIY car wash with the sprayer and get off all the caked mud/etc. so the vehicle is just a "normal" level of dirty, you can actually take it back to your garage and wash it IN the garage with a rinseless wash.

It's a wash type which creates minimal water and you can just squeegee or maybe leaf blower the water out of the garage after. Note, rinseless wash is a specific type of product, you can't just use normal car wash solution and not rinse it. Totally different type of formulation. Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine: clay lubricant, optimum rinseless wash, no rinse car wash, optimum detailing products[/QUOTE]

Perfectly said. I have used Optimum and it is a great product. You can also use - Poorboys Waterless Spray and Wipe. They make great products and can really be used in sun or shade. I have used a lot of their products.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:55 PM   #20
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I would not go thru any car wash that touches the jeep. They put a lot of surface marks and swirls in the paint. Touchless is the way to go if your not hand washing it yourself.
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Stop being Sally's just drive through the wash. You bury your jeep in mud and worry about mini unseen swirls from a car wash?
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Stop being Sally's just drive through the wash. You bury your jeep in mud and worry about mini unseen swirls from a car wash?
Took me $5 in quarters to get all the mud off mine
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:24 AM   #23
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Use brush car washes on any color but especially black you will regret it big time

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