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Old 06-17-2013, 04:26 AM   #61
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Dude... go stand in the mirror. You must have another personality hiding behind there.

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Is it unreasonable to suggest that they spec a lower octane fuel because people would be pissed putting premium in their truck?

WTH is the purpose of midgrade anyways?
Not unreasonable at all. I would bet that on most vehicles under about $50k, manufacturers want it to run on 87 octane to attract customers or at least not deter them. I work with two guys that have F-150s with the Eco-boost engine. They both have tried a few tanks of 91 instead of the specified 87 minimum. Both claim 1-2 mpg gains.

I'm sure there are some vehicles that specify a minimum octane of 89 (midgrade) but I'm not aware of them. In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.

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I'm sure there are some vehicles that specify a minimum octane of 89 (midgrade) but I'm not aware of them. In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.

Do you add more detergent to the "premium" on delivery? Some brands apparently use the same amount across all grades while others don't.
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Brand of gas / driving style?
Brand? I try to stick with any brand that is TOP TIER certified. As far as octane, I use whatever the owner's manual recommends. Unless extensive engine modifications have been done, anything more is just a waste of money. Our Wrangeler gets 87.

Also, someone asked about midgrade. My V6 Sebring uses it, as recommended in the owner's manual.
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sorry to kill the vibe but my family owns several gasoline stores and they all get it from the same tank LOL
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sorry to kill the vibe but my family owns several gasoline stores and they all get it from the same tank LOL
It's the detergents, which may be added afterwards, not the gas that differs between stations. And that is not always the case, such as you mentioned. But buying Chevron guarantees they'll be in there.
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Do you add more detergent to the "premium" on delivery? Some brands apparently use the same amount across all grades while others don't.
I work for an independent refiner. We don't have an additive like Techron or V-Power. I know V-Power used to be put by Shell in their 91 only. I'm not sure if that's still the case.
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It's the detergents, which may be added afterwards, not the gas that differs between stations. And that is not always the case, such as you mentioned. But buying Chevron guarantees they'll be in there.
I said this is my original post, but you have to read the fine print at the station. Just because the station is a brand name doesn't mean that it has anything to do with that brand. My company owns hundreds of Shell stations. If you look closely, you will notice that there isn't any mention of V-Power. You would also see that in reeeallly small letters it says "Operated by ******" on the pumps. I'm guessing that Chevron also might sell corporate owned stations with branding rights.
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Ok so we have now established from multiple posters who know what they're talking about that there is really no substantial difference between brands of gas.

Maybe the posters who don't work at refineries/distributors/franchisees can just accept that they are now a little more informed, and move on?
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In all honesty, when you buy midgrade gasoline from a station supplied by my refinery, you are buying premium. I can't speak for all refineries, but the five in my area only make 87 and 91 afaik.
When I worked for the distributor, mid grade was just a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91- we mixed it at delivery.
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I find If I take the top and the doors off, Throw my 35" tires on, Turn up my radio and go find a mud puddle to play I generally don't think of gas mileage.....just sayin
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When I worked for the distributor, mid grade was just a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91- we mixed it at delivery.
I've talked to a couple drivers that told me they just put 91 in the 89 tank. I wonder if the practice changes between companies or if it's a newer regulation. It might also change by state. Unfortunately, I'm in California.
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I've talked to a couple drivers that told me they just put 91 in the 89 tank. I wonder if the practice changes between companies or if it's a newer regulation. It might also change by state. Unfortunately, I'm in California.
Some stations only have two tanks -- 87 and 91 -- the pump itself then does the mixing.

In California, you're probably seeing a lot of the same mixture/level of detergents at a lot of gas stations. The reason for which is directly proportional to the level of idiocy in this state. Namely, California (and I believe NJ, too) decided that they needed "special" gas mixtures for winter/summer and therefor we don't truck in gas from other states' refineries. Screw this place, I can't wait to move to Texas.
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Lol the lowest gas we got is 91 and the higher 95 here in Saudi Arabia.
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Some stations only have two tanks -- 87 and 91 -- the pump itself then does the mixing.
Now that you mention it, we only had one station with an 89 tank, which we filled half and half. All other stations had just the two tanks, so the 89 must've been mixed at the pump, as you said.
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Lol the lowest gas we got is 91 and the higher 95 here in Saudi Arabia.
At $1 a gallon too. The Saudis aren't self hating oil producers like us Americans; Saudis love the black gold while we sit on trillions of gallons because the eco freaks think Caribou don't like shiny pipes.
Oddly, the Caribou love those pipes:
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I fill my tank with 91 for 10$
But its the only thing is cheap here like if want to buy a bumper like rampage or similar product the us price up to 500$ here its like 1200$ and such.
Brand new jku Sahara is around 37k without extras with 60k miles warranty not extendable.
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I answer the questions you ask and you make irrelevant and incoherent personal attacks again. If you want to continue with that, PM me instead so you aren't wasting everyone's time. I'm betting you won't and will continue seeking attention via this thread, but it will have to be from someone else.


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Lol the lowest gas we got is 91 and the higher 95 here in Saudi Arabia.
Where you live octane rating is RON, not in the US.
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Manual says she's built to handle 87 octane, so that is what I put in her at first. However like 7/10 times she was running poorly. Sad acceleration and tinging noises.

Lots of stations in my area keep getting fined for adding more than 10% ethanol to their gas.

So, now I generally run with 89 octane as a result and things have been better/normal.

I ran all kinds of experiments to figure out what was up with the gas in the jeep. One thing I found out is that she is a damn beast if you put non-ethanol in her. Engine sounds beefier and gets a noticeable amount more acceleration. You will also get ~3MPG more, but with the price difference, it's not worth it to run it all the time. You need ~4MPG to break even with ethanol prices. Anyway, now I always fill up on non-ethanol before offroading, it makes a huge difference, especially running manual and going up steep hills. Need the tank to be pretty much empty for me to notice though.

@OP: KWIK was the last gas station in my area to sell non-ethanol at their pumps. I would hunt those stations down in my old sports car back in the day when everyone was switching over to ethanol after the war. So I wasn't surprised by your comments. For a couple of years back then everyone else was on ethanol but them, so you car would have run further and better with KWIK. If you really want to abuse your engine buy some gas with lots of ethanol, nothing can take that abuse everyday unless your jeep is an E85!
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Where you live octane rating is RON, not in the US.
You have to really enjoy a good argument to resurrect a post that died two and-a-half years ago just to correct someone.
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Geez I never realized gasoline was such a complex and contentious subject.

All I know is that I don't get free steak knives anymore when I fill up. All this other crap I couldn't care less about. Check please!
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You have to really enjoy a good argument to resurrect a post that died two and-a-half years ago just to correct someone.
I agree with you. It is a very old Thread and currently serves no purpose!

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