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Old 03-28-2012, 12:14 PM   #1
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Buffers/Polishers for waxing (and other wash-related questions)

I've purchased 303 Aerospace Protectant for the bumpers and dash, and I've purchased Mothers 05750 California Gold Pure Brazilian Carnauba Wax Liquid. Now I need something to help put the wax on and take the wax off.

I've read through the benefits and limitations of orbital/dual-action buffers/polishers vs. a rotary buffer/polisher. Being a beginner using machines for this (I've only waxed past cars by hand), I think I'm leaning toward the orbital because I don't want to take the risk of burning through the paint. (I understand that it won't be very useful in getting deep scratches out though.) So now the question becomes: which orbital to buy?

I've read lots of reviews on different products, and I really can't see spending more than $100 on one. BJ's has the Griot's Garage 6" Random Orbital with 10' Cord for $90, so I'm leaning toward that. The pads for it are ridiculously price (IMO), as it seems you need both the orange ($27 for 3) for polishing and the red ($33 for 3) for waxing.

Anyone have any experience with the Griot's Garage buffer, or others that you prefer? If so, mind describing the positives and negatives?

Additionally, from my research, I learned that polishing and waxing are not the same thing. It appears that, after I wash the Jeep, then I polish it, and then I wax it. Admittedly, I'm less concerned about it being so shiny (although I admit I like to look at it when it's clean and shiny) - I'm much more concerned about protecting the paint from the elements. (I had a 14-year old SUV before this and might have waxed it twice in all that time. Rust was everywhere.) My goal would be to have the paint on my Jeep last at least as long as my SUV, but with a whole lot less rust.

I can't imagine waxing this more than 2-3 times/year, and that would only be in the non-winter months. (I just don't have the time.) That would mean that I would likely do the polishing at the same time. Given that I'll only be polishing and waxing 2-3 times/year, what would you suggest as the best polish?

Also, it seems like there is a preference to use microfiber cloths to remove the wax. (Yes, I also learned that any old towel isn't good enough. Who'd of thunk it?) Any preferences here?

Finally, I also learned that using dishwashing soap isn't best to use for washing the Jeep. It pissed me off to no-end to learn this, as it appears car wash soap can actually be pretty expensive. (When I learned this, I started thinking that it's just one big conspiracy and it really doesn't make a significant difference.) I'm willing to purchase car wash soap if it's not too expensive (I'd much prefer to spend the money on better wax, polish, and a buffer). Otherwise, I'm going to continue to use dishwashing soap without guilt. What are your suggestions for cheap car wash soap that are better than dishwashing soap? Have any of you really noticed any significant difference between dishwashing soap and car wash soap?

At some point, I need to do research on what's best for the leather. But I've spent so much time researching this other stuff (and getting pissed-off from the associated prices) that I think I need to give myself a break.

I haven't felt like I've been this nickle-and-dimed since I bought the Jeep. I want to do a better job maintaining it than I did my last SUV, but this seems to be getting a bit crazy.

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Old 03-28-2012, 12:21 PM   #2
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Also I use simple green as a car wash. And if you consider $5-10 a gallon for a jug of car wash that should last most of the summer expensive, then you probably shouldn't be buying a power buffer or even wax or polish for that matter...
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Didn't have time to read the whole post, but I would recommend a dual action polisher such as the Porter Cable 7424 or Meguiars G110. I personally use the older version of the 110 and love it. Only way you could really damage the paint with it would be to literally throw it at the vehicle. Lol.

Get a few pads to go along with it (orange, white, blue) and some good chemicals (I use Wolfgang products) and you can get out most things.
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Heh Heh-thats the way I've done mine for over 3yrs


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"Mothers" gold California Carnuba Cleaner Wax--paste, I'd never use liquid-

Maybe OK, but I enjoy the "Karate Kid" routine several times a year-and not using any buffers !



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Griots makes fantastic products! Highly recommend theirr buffer, wax and pads. The pads are a bit pricey but last a long time. I use their car wash and quick shine as well. Griots products are not the cheapest but in my experience they are the best.

Their leather cleaner and restorer are fantastic as well.
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Highly recommend the porter cable (which griots used to sell) or the newer griots polisher. I have both...........they use the same pads and seem to be the same polisher with slight cosmetic differences.
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"Mothers" gold California Carnuba Cleaner Wax--paste, I'd never use liquid
It's interesting you mention this. I went back-and-forth on this as there seem to be quite a few people indicating that it used to be that paste was the better option, but that liquids had improved so much that it was no longer a benefit.
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Highly recommend the porter cable (which griots used to sell) or the newer griots polisher. I have both...........they use the same pads and seem to be the same polisher with slight cosmetic differences.
Is the newer Griot's polisher that you're referring to the one I have linked above? Also, which model of the PC do you recommend and why?
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seems like you are not a die hard detailer so the GRiots sounds good for you. you can use it with megs new microfiber system. easy to use, clean and no dusting.

i have the PC 7424xp but then bought a flex from autogeek on new years. i missed having a trigger.

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menzerna powerlock as my sealant.. then top with poorboy's red past wax and after every wash use wolfgang spray sealant.
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Also I use simple green as a car wash. And if you consider $5-10 a gallon for a jug of car wash that should last most of the summer expensive, then you probably shouldn't be buying a power buffer or even wax or polish for that matter...
I'm OK with that price if it lasts me all summer. It's possible that I'm just not using the proper amount when I wash the car (i.e., I'm probably putting in too much, so going through it quicker). I'll check out Simple Green.
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Wow, I know I'm new to this wrangler thing, but I was always under the impression the dirtier the better. Here I thought I was going to be shunned if anyone found out how much I wash mine. Great info guys. I love this thread, but don't tell my wife, she hates how much I wash it already!
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seems like you are not a die hard detailer so the GRiots sounds good for you. you can use it with megs new microfiber system. easy to use, clean and no dusting.

i have the PC 7424xp but then bought a flex from autogeek on new years. i missed having a trigger.

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menzerna powerlock as my sealant.. then top with poorboy's red past wax and after every wash use wolfgang spray sealant.
"Dusting?" Please don't tell me that there are people who actually dust-off their Jeeps?

What's the difference between a sealant, polish, and wax? I'm not a die-hard detailer, but sealant sounds like something that would protect the paint so I might be interested in that.
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Is the newer Griot's polisher that you're referring to the one I have linked above? Also, which model of the PC do you recommend and why?
Yes, the Griots polisher came out a year or two ago. Before that they carried the PC. Mine is the PC 7424xp model..........seems to work the same as the Griots model. Same action, same controls and speed adjustability....the handle is different seems to be the only difference between the two
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"Dusting?" Please don't tell me that there are people who actually dust-off their Jeeps?

What's the difference between a sealant, polish, and wax? I'm not a die-hard detailer, but sealant sounds like something that would protect the paint so I might be interested in that.

when buffing with certain compounds, as you remove the compound it may "dust"....like with megs 105 cutting compund


wax- is you standard carnaubal wax-last for few weeks

sealant- is man made with synthetic ingredients - can last up to six
months


polish- removing defects from the paint with either the Griots, portal cable or flex DA polisher


apply the sealant for first then top with a carnauba wax

here is a flow chart....

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when buffing with certain compounds, as you remove the compound it may "dust"....like with megs 105 cutting compund


wax- is you standard carnaubal wax-last for few weeks

sealant- is man made with synthetic ingredients - can last up to six
months


polish- removing defects from the paint with either the Griots, portal cable or flex DA polisher


apply the sealant for first then top with a carnauba wax

here is a flow chart....

Flow Chart - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum
I had seen this flow chart before, and noticed that it said sealant or wax, but didn't notice until now (because of your original post) that it appears you can use both. Sealant lasting 6 months seems to me to be the better route than using wax at all (although, as I now have a bottle of wax, I'll use it until it runs out). So sounds like I have to add menzerna powerlock to my list. When you apply the sealant, which pad do you use - the orange or red? (As it's like wax, I'm assuming the red.)
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