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Old 08-04-2011, 11:04 PM   #1
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Hey folks. Just a heads up. Wife was driving today in eastern chula vista, ca and noticed a brush fire. Some folks were already on scene, but the owner of a brand new JKU Rubi was standing there, slight burns on his body (arm and leg hair, according to my wife, was singed-off). He told another bystander that he was on a dirt road and his jeep simply started a fire! He said the vehicle itself was on fire (must have been small) and it spread to the ground. I know the road and its well groomed. It started the hillside ablaze as well. Local fire company showed up. All safe and fire out AFAIK.

He said the jeep was brand new. Could've been a 2011 or 2012. Wife and I have been looking at jeeps and she confirmed it looked NEW.

The fire when my wife saw it was around the vehicle... Vehicle wasn't yet engulfed... Don't know if it was saved.

Just an FYI... Could've been a million things, but keep an eye on your rides just in case, so no one gets injured like this poor guy.

I remember hearing that a couple new Challengers caught fire for no known reason... They're both Chrysler products, so who knows?!?!

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Seen videos of a number of automatics that got too hot and have burned up. Saw a few that did the transmission line recall that caught on fire. Also saw one that caught debris in the skid plates that caught the Jeep on fire. It will be interesting to see the details on this one...

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I also saw one on the Aussie' forum, a JK had been driven through long grass in summer & it got a bunch under the skid plate & burn't to the ground
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How was the ground around the jeep on fire and not the jeep if the jeep started the fire?

But yea that sucks, buy a TJ.

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How was the ground around the jeep on fire and not the jeep if the jeep started the fire?

But yea that sucks, buy a TJ.

Or stick with a 6-speed
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Hey folks. Just a heads up. Wife was driving today in eastern chula vista, ca and noticed a brush fire. Some folks were already on scene, but the owner of a brand new JKU Rubi was standing there, slight burns on his body (arm and leg hair, according to my wife, was singed-off). He told another bystander that he was on a dirt road and his jeep simply started a fire! He said the vehicle itself was on fire (must have been small) and it spread to the ground. I know the road and its well groomed. It started the hillside ablaze as well. Local fire company showed up. All safe and fire out AFAIK.

He said the jeep was brand new. Could've been a 2011 or 2012. Wife and I have been looking at jeeps and she confirmed it looked NEW.

The fire when my wife saw it was around the vehicle... Vehicle wasn't yet engulfed... Don't know if it was saved.

Just an FYI... Could've been a million things, but keep an eye on your rides just in case, so no one gets injured like this poor guy.

I remember hearing that a couple new Challengers caught fire for no known reason... They're both Chrysler products, so who knows?!?!
Not a 2012.None have arrived in San Diego yet. This sounds like the auto trans fire inherent with pre 2012 models. Totally stinks for the owner.
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Hey folks. Just a heads up. Wife was driving today in eastern chula vista, ca and noticed a brush fire. Some folks were already on scene, but the owner of a brand new JKU Rubi was standing there, slight burns on his body (arm and leg hair, according to my wife, was singed-off). He told another bystander that he was on a dirt road and his jeep simply started a fire! He said the vehicle itself was on fire (must have been small) and it spread to the ground. I know the road and its well groomed. It started the hillside ablaze as well. Local fire company showed up. All safe and fire out AFAIK.

He said the jeep was brand new. Could've been a 2011 or 2012. Wife and I have been looking at jeeps and she confirmed it looked NEW.

The fire when my wife saw it was around the vehicle... Vehicle wasn't yet engulfed... Don't know if it was saved.

Just an FYI... Could've been a million things, but keep an eye on your rides just in case, so no one gets injured like this poor guy.

I remember hearing that a couple new Challengers caught fire for no known reason... They're both Chrysler products, so who knows?!?!
Apparently, it was a two month old 2011. Here's the news article. Thanks for the heads up MaMopar.

Driver was offroading before Eastlake grass fire | SignOnSanDiego.com
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It's guys like that, that ruin it for others. He put firefighters lives in danger. And pilots. Helllllooooooo..... the area was NOT a legal area for him to be, and the grasses this time of year are long and dry. Just plain dumb.


Sorry for the rant.....
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It's guys like that, that ruin it for others. He put firefighters lives in danger. And pilots. Helllllooooooo..... the area was NOT a legal area for him to be, and the grasses this time of year are long and dry. Just plain dumb.


Sorry for the rant.....
Yep, you are spot on with the conditions in the area. Most of the hills are dry right now. I was just in the area last week, near the eastern TJ border crossing..very dry.
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Yeah, sorry for the intial lack of details... just reporting some rather quick observations by the wife.

*I must admit, and I've never owned a 4x4 of any kind, nor have I ever been off-roading (still waiting to purchase my first off road vehicle), that I didn't know your exhaust could cause a fire so easily! I can see if he was just letting the jeep idle in place, sure...

Lesson learned for me.

Be safe out there folks. Also, what's the best resource for information on safe and responsible off roading?
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I would have to suspect the catalytic convertor starting a brush fire before I automatically assume the transmission burned up. It's pretty common in the brushy areas in SoCal. Every year around here huge brush fires are started with just one spark. As for the driver's statements, I wouldn't believe a whole lot the guy said when he knew he was in the area illegally and had just started a fire. People go to prison for that sort of thing every year in California and I would assume he had a good story cooked up to cover his @$$.
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Yeah I was gona say he is full of BS, and he was probably getting a quit smoke in with his buddy or something.
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I would have to suspect the catalytic convertor starting a brush fire...
Based on previous posts I assume that TJs and all Jeeps with manual transmission don't have catalytic converters?
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All kinda reasons--I've owned LOTSA 4wds--no fires

My Lotus Esprit-dripped gas from the side carbs-right on the exhaust manifold and ByBy--

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From August '11 Jp magazine: "Looks like Wrangler importation to China is on hold because of reports of vehicles catching on fire. The general administration of quality supervision, inspection and quarantine pointed to the auto transmission and related components/systems as the problem."
I thought this thread ironic after reading this article 2 days ago...
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I would have to suspect the catalytic convertor starting a brush fire before I automatically assume the transmission burned up. It's pretty common in the brushy areas in SoCal. Every year around here huge brush fires are started with just one spark. As for the driver's statements, I wouldn't believe a whole lot the guy said when he knew he was in the area illegally and had just started a fire. People go to prison for that sort of thing every year in California and I would assume he had a good story cooked up to cover his @$$.

Right. Cat most likely cause. Stay out da' dry grass!
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I would have to suspect the catalytic convertor starting a brush fire before I automatically assume the transmission burned up. It's pretty common in the brushy areas in SoCal. Every year around here huge brush fires are started with just one spark. As for the driver's statements, I wouldn't believe a whole lot the guy said when he knew he was in the area illegally and had just started a fire. People go to prison for that sort of thing every year in California and I would assume he had a good story cooked up to cover his @$$.
Samrt man, I have seen a few cars in my lifetime that have burnt to the ground because they were left running in a pasture..
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do they over heat and catch fire or is it due to dry brush and hot weather.. Where I can I read article ? just wondering if this is an issue just driving on city streets or when the trans is under alot of stress?
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do they over heat and catch fire or is it due to dry brush and hot weather.. Where I can I read article ? just wondering if this is an issue just driving on city streets or when the trans is under alot of stress?
This is more specific to 4H and 4L usage but some have had the engine shut down resulting from using the O/D as well. There are recalls in affect.
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I took a ride by the devastation today... Wow.

Acres of black burnt grass and the jeep is still on top of the hill... Totally burned out, hood propped open, no roof, etc. What was once a new silver JKU is a rusting hull. Sad and unfortunate.

I took a phone pic but it was far away and hard to see. So it'd be useless to post.

Noticed the tracks he must've left going up the hill.

I know most see it as stupidity, etc... I reflect on it as some poor inexperienced guy was excited to have a really cool jeep, and wanted to have what he thought was harmless fun... And it went bad. I doubt there was any malice or ill intent... the tracks leading up to the jeep weren't erratic or "peel outs"... He was likely just crusing around.

Also, in the vicinity of the vehicle and tracks, I didn't notice any signs stating the area was off limits. Where he entered the area I don't know, but there was no signage near the wreck/burn. The grass isn't all that high in the area either... Maybe about a foot high, if that.

Should he have known better? I guess so...
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Another observation: I cant think of a good reason he'd have left his jeep up there to burn unless it was immobilized... There was nothing in his way preventing him from driving off... The walk down that hill to the road is 150-200 yards. If I was surrounded by fire or in danger of getting burned, I'd surely not have consciously chosen to walk that distance.

Given what I saw, I have a feeling the vehicle itself became disabled from, or caught fire shortly after becoming disabled. He thought enough about his vehicle to say to a bunch of strangers that it was brand new and that his wife was gonna kill him. From the limited amount of intel I have, I don't believe this guy voluntarily left a functioning new jeep up on that hill to burn.

My spidey senses are detecting a fire which originated on/within the vehicle then spread to the grass. The grass wasn't tall enough, IMO to have gotten clogged up under the vehicle and his tracks weren't erratic to suggest he rutted-up a clump of it from plowing it down or bottoming out and getting some wedged under the vehicle.
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From August '11 Jp magazine: "Looks like Wrangler importation to China is on hold because of reports of vehicles catching on fire. The general administration of quality supervision, inspection and quarantine pointed to the auto transmission and related components/systems as the problem."
I thought this thread ironic after reading this article 2 days ago...
Always thought this as funny, China is complaining about quality lol. No other country seems to be up to their standards now lol
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Always thought this as funny, China is complaining about quality lol. No other country seems to be up to their standards now lol
The jeep isn't made by political prisoners missing internal organs, and they don't eat dogs... That's the hitch!

Or, the commie SOBs aren't getting enough profit (kickbacks) to make it worth their effort.

Or... The jeeps technology isn't new enough for them to steal and use against us.

Or... The jeep itself stands for freedom and they don't want anyone getting an idea; their PR can't take another tianemen square hit.

Or...
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Vehicle fires aren't that prominent and with jeeps, we have to be a little more careful because of the Foilage-don'tchathink ??



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I took a ride by the devastation today... Wow.

Acres of black burnt grass and the jeep is still on top of the hill... Totally burned out, hood propped open, no roof, etc. What was once a new silver JKU is a rusting hull. Sad and unfortunate.

I took a phone pic but it was far away and hard to see. So it'd be useless to post.

Noticed the tracks he must've left going up the hill.

I know most see it as stupidity, etc... I reflect on it as some poor inexperienced guy was excited to have a really cool jeep, and wanted to have what he thought was harmless fun... And it went bad. I doubt there was any malice or ill intent... the tracks leading up to the jeep weren't erratic or "peel outs"... He was likely just crusing around.

Also, in the vicinity of the vehicle and tracks, I didn't notice any signs stating the area was off limits. Where he entered the area I don't know, but there was no signage near the wreck/burn. The grass isn't all that high in the area either... Maybe about a foot high, if that.

Should he have known better? I guess so...
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Another observation: I cant think of a good reason he'd have left his jeep up there to burn unless it was immobilized... There was nothing in his way preventing him from driving off... The walk down that hill to the road is 150-200 yards. If I was surrounded by fire or in danger of getting burned, I'd surely not have consciously chosen to walk that distance.

Given what I saw, I have a feeling the vehicle itself became disabled from, or caught fire shortly after becoming disabled. He thought enough about his vehicle to say to a bunch of strangers that it was brand new and that his wife was gonna kill him. From the limited amount of intel I have, I don't believe this guy voluntarily left a functioning new jeep up on that hill to burn.

My spidey senses are detecting a fire which originated on/within the vehicle then spread to the grass. The grass wasn't tall enough, IMO to have gotten clogged up under the vehicle and his tracks weren't erratic to suggest he rutted-up a clump of it from plowing it down or bottoming out and getting some wedged under the vehicle.
I've had Dodges for quite a few years and I don't know if any of the other vehicle mfgs have a similar circuitry, but I'm sure they do--

Part of the auto tranny wiring harness has ECU and igniition dependance wiring init and it's usually low on the frame, not directly exposed, but "down there", so that fire may have immediately burned into one of the primary harness's and --BINGO---no run !!

Maybe not, but it's happened to me--without fire-so it's a possibility !!

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I dug up some photos of the JKU fire in question. Check out the first three photos in the series. It gives us a pretty good idea of the height of the dry grass. ANY vehicle with a hot exhaust touching that tall dead grass for a short time would in all probability set things ablaze. One of the captions says "the driver will likely be responsible for a $30,000 bill for putting out the fire" , it also says "it looks like the Jeep is a total loss".....Huh!...Ya Think!?

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