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Old 03-24-2012, 03:42 AM   #1
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Buying a 2012 JKUR NEED HELP!!!

I need help deciding on a few things as I trade in my 2007 Escalade on a new 2012 JKUR....please take it easy on me about the Escalade; it was a bonus from my previous employer:

1) Auto or Manual?
2) Painted or Standard Black Hard Top and Fenders?
3) Black or Silver?
4) Mods to run 35x12.5x18's?
5) Order or buy off lot?

Any thing else you guys think I need to know please feel free!!

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:14 AM   #2
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In short cause im on my not so smart phone. Auto 4.10's. Black. Black. If u plan on offroading go with 35x12.5x17's. However 15, 16, and 17in rims are fine. I would order but there might b something on a lot that you like and would be exact or close to what u would order.


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Thanks! When you say Black I assume you mean Non-Painted. My local dealer has almost exactly what I want but it is black with the matching painted top and fenders so I'm worried about scratches.

How much Lift do you think I'd need for 35x12.5x17? So far the dealer planned to install the 2" Mopar Lift. Do you think that's enough?
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Thanks! When you say Black I assume you mean Non-Painted. My local dealer has almost exactly what I want but it is black with the matching painted top and fenders so I'm worried about scratches.

How much Lift do you think I'd need for 35x12.5x17? So far the dealer planned to install the 2" Mopar Lift. Do you think that's enough?
It's not. And before you blindly jump into buying 35" tires, do some research. Based on your statement that you're worried about scratches, I'd highly recommend that you stick to a smaller lift (2" is good) and tires such as 33's.

35" tires will cost you thousands of dollars in necessary accessories, kill your Jeep's power (depending on your gear ratio), and trash your mpg's. If you just want a Jeep that looks tuff but isn't gonna see much off-road action, the 2" lift and 33's will work just fine. Either way, for the lift and bigger tires, you'll need new rims. If you stick with 17's the cost for your tires will suck the green right outta your wallet. Look into going with smaller rims, like 15's or 16's...you'll save a ton.

I'm not saying don't consider 35's. But before you go that route, read as much as you can on the forum. Educate yourself and you'll be a lot happier with where your Jeep ends up.

Here are some links to start you out...even if the thread titles sound like they don't apply to you, trust me, there's valuable info in all of them:

Largest tire on stock JK? Here's your answer!

JK Lift Reviews

Here's a thread from a new member trying to figure out what to do with his Jeep, just like you are. Heed the generalities more than the specifics.

To lift, or not to lift...
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Old 03-25-2012, 04:32 AM   #5
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I would do a search about the tread lightly membership to get 1% below invoice pricing. I think there is something similar with Costco and for people that served in the military.

I personally think a lifted black JKU looks bad ass. I have never had a black car but I have heard more than once about people complaining about them getting dirty easy and showing scuff marks. I also read that black cars get in more accidents where white and silver are the safest colors. Silver doesn't really show dirt much at all. I would suggest that you try your best to just go with what your gut said with your first impression. Or if your like me and want to second guess the hell out of it depending on which way the wind blows or just want to see pictures of cool Jeeps check out this LINK

I have heard that you can run 35" OK with the 4.10 gear ratio of the Rubicon. If you end up leaning towards getting an auto the Rubicon also comes with 3.73 or you can get 4.10 as a free upgrade. If your going to get the Rubicon and bigger tires make sure you check to get the lower 4.10 if your getting one off a lot. The manual only comes with the 4.10's.

You can do a search for the auto vs manual and get a million or so post on the topic. With the new 5-speed auto there really isn't any great reason not to get it unless you really want a stick shift. For sure it would be easier on the hardcore stuff and now you can have it hold in a lower gear with the auto. The manual has a few negatives like not safely being able to shift in deep water/mud. You can start in gear in 4-Low to over come this. A good amount of people don't like driving a manual in traffic. Also I did a poll that has about 250 post and about 20% of JK manuals had to be taken in for transmission issues. Mostly popping out of gear. Manual (6-Speed) JK Owners :: Please Vote :: Problems / No-Problems
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Whatever you do please I say please do not get a black jeep. It's so hard to keep clean and is hot. But if you don't care about that go for it. I got all painted top and fenders and black cloth interior. I never wash it and when I do I go all out but stays clean for about a day.

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Thanks! When you say Black I assume you mean Non-Painted. My local dealer has almost exactly what I want but it is black with the matching painted top and fenders so I'm worried about scratches.

How much Lift do you think I'd need for 35x12.5x17? So far the dealer planned to install the 2" Mopar Lift. Do you think that's enough?
Correct non painted. Scratching is gonna happen offroad so expect that.. Something to weigh is time with waiting on a order vs picking up something already on the lot. I myself don't prefer the painted top and fenders but like I said wait time which is up to you. For 35x12.5/17's on a JKU I'd recomend a 2.5-3in lift. 2in is just not enough..

Also of important note... For the 2012's the JKR/JKUR came with 3.73's and 4.10's so that would be something to look into on anythng that intrests you off the lot. You want the 4.10's. So thats another reason to order imo especially if that one that you found that is close does only have the 3.73 gearing
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Whatever you do please I say please do not get a black jeep. It's so hard to keep clean and is hot. But if you don't care about that go for it. I got all painted top and fenders and black cloth interior. I never wash it and when I do I go all out but stays clean for about a day.
But when black's clean...damn.

Not at all like yellow or, say, maroon, which look yellow or, say, maroon, clean or dirty.
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Also of important note... For the 2012's the JKR/JKUR came with 3.73's and 4.10's so that would be something to look into on anythng that intrests you off the lot. You want the 4.10's. So thats another reason to order imo especially if that one that you found that is close does only have the 3.73 gearing
Unfortunately, 3.21 is the default gear for 2012 for non-Rubis.

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Unfortunately, 3.21 is the default gear for 2012 for non-Rubis.

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and black is the best color for JEEP!
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:56 AM   #12
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the 3.21 gearing on the 12s exceeds the 3.73 on my sahara. but i see 4.10s in my future gear swap.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:09 AM   #14
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My sport has 3.73's. If you dont have a Rubi you have to get the tow package. On the color I would get the yellow there is something about a yellow jk with black wheels. Far as tires I would not get 35's and while my jeep experince is limted. My lifted truck experice is not. I still have not got my lift yet and basicly do to research. Going on two weeks of gather info and 35's are not worth the work required for a DD. Unless you are going to spend the money on all the drive line/axle items requried I wouldn't go 35's also there are no programers to squeeze out extra power for the 2012's. AEV has the procal that allows gear and tire size change but to me thats not enough. Just my 2cent. At the end of the day it all depends on 1. how deep you pockets are, 2. what you want.
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What are your mid to long term plans for this Jeep?

How much off roading do you plan on doing? If you plan on it, where would you plan on doing it?

Will this be both your daily driver and off road beast? Mixture? Which task will be the most often done with this Jeep?

Are you comfortable with both manuals and autos? Prefer one to another?

I am sure there are other questions that need to be asked in order to find out what might be the best fit for you, but that is a start!

We had a black TJ and now we have a Silver JK. I like both for different reasons, but that black was a PITA to keep clean. Even hard water would leave water spots on him. But then, cleaned up Black with all of the right mods....very few colors can beat that look!

All that being said, I dig the Bright Silver Metallic and probably would get it again. Unless I get a Sahara Tan! If they ever come back out with it again, that is.......
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:24 PM   #16
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Hey everyone, great advice and much appreciated!!

I went with a 2012 Black JKUR and couldn't be happier. It has a painted top and fenders and Auto. Dealer is telling me that a 2" Mopar lift will let me run the 35x12.5x18's that I want.

I figure I'll buy an aftermarket soft or bikini top to put on for offroad....
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:26 PM   #17
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This is the exact setup I'm looking for but it's on a Sport.....

Dealer says that's a 4" on a Sport and a 2" on my Rubicon will get me damn close...
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Dealer says that's a 4" on a Sport and a 2" on my Rubicon will get me damn close...[/QUOTE]

Good looking as it is! Congrats!! 35's are HEAVY and as for me, I would not wanna be "damn close" in this situation!

Have a ball with it!
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:35 PM   #19
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What would you guys recommend to get a similar look? I love the stance of the silver one I posted....
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:36 PM   #20
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Here's the wheel I'm leaning towards.....
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3.73's or 4.10's? If you plan on airing down your tires ever for offroading and if you do plan on going offroad most likely you will be airing down then keep it to 15x8, 16x8, and 17x9's. Of course if the street is where you will stay then 18's are good.

Also of note.. The dealer is right with 2in you could probably tuck 35's in there.. But once again if you plan to go offroad your gonna want some room for flex and being that you have a JKU you can go up to 3in of lift before needing a new driveshaft. If 35's are in your future I would seriously consider a 2.5-3in lift..


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Old 03-25-2012, 09:55 PM   #22
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Awesome advice!! Greatly appreciated.

It has 4.10 gears with the Max Tow Pkg....

May consider a 2" and 33's then since its also my primary vehicle....
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]So I am convinced a 2-4" Lift from either AEV, Teraflex or Rubicon Express is the best option....dealer says $1900 for a Mopar installed 2" Lift. What would I expect to pay for one of these aftermarkets to be installed?
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You could buy a badass lift for 1900 and save money and do it yourself. I bought a rk lift for a lil more than that and I'm gonna do it myself.
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Yeah I don't really have a good setup or the tools to do it myself. What do you think I should expect to pay for an install?
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i would leave your jeep stock for awhile, then decide what you want to add. after you "grow into it" then decide what to add.
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The price range is all different from place to place. So you might just want to call around to the 4x4 shops and see what's best. But for the 2012 I hear there's alot of things you need to think about if your going higher then a 2.5" lift. The higher you go the more money spend. Just read around it'll do you good. That's what I did for months and now by may it should all be done.
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Ok I know I may beat up little but, I just had 3 inch BDS lift installed with fox shocks and everything was 1200 installed. I don't have to worried about hard core 4x4 in Florida so the BDS lift works for me and my location. I really like the set up. Just picked up on Friday and took it out this weekend. Just my thoughts. I kept the stock wheels, really like them a lot.
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Dealer is telling me that a 2" Mopar lift will let me run the 35x12.5x18's that I want.
This is stupid. 35s will FIT under 2" of lift, but if you go offroad--especially with the sway bar disconnected, a feature you paid handsomely for to be able to do with a push button from inside the cabin BTW--you'll rub your fenders.

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This is the exact setup I'm looking for but it's on a Sport.....

Dealer says that's a 4" on a Sport and a 2" on my Rubicon will get me damn close...
No, it won't get you damn close. 2" is not damn close to 4". In fact, 2" is half of 4". 50%. Ask the dealer if he'll take 50% of the negotiated price for the Rubi, and if he declines mention that you figured it was "damn close" and that he should take it. See what he says.

Don't have the dealer do the lift. It's almost impossible that you won't overpay dramatically. Keep your jeep stock for a while, learn some stuff, and then decide what you want.

I'm not sure what Mopar 2" lift he's offering, but you can get a 2" budget boost for a few hundred dollars and pay about $400 to install it. Under a grand out the door. For 35s, however, 2.5" of lift is really the minimum.

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Wow, talk about passionate! I think he was implying that the stock difference in height between a Rubicon and a Sport would make up most of the 2" difference.....

I really appreciate the advice and have been reading some of your other posts regarding Warranty/Lift situations. I'm leaning towards an AEV 3.5" but need to save up and find a reputable shop in Portland.

Many thanks man!

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