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Old 04-27-2010, 12:30 AM   #1
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Buying a new Wrangler 2dr need help!!!!

I used to sell jeeps several years ago before I made enough money to buy a new one. Now I have a better job and want one.....only problem is now I have a kiddo. On the new Wrangler does the front seats still flip forward like the old ones for rear seat access? If so can some one explain in detail as to where the lever is as the salesman didn't know anything about jeeps. P.S. Does anyone know the best place near Dallas to buy a new Wrangler? Any help at all is much much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

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I used to sell jeeps several years ago before I made enough money to buy a new one. Now I have a better job and want one.....only problem is now I have a kiddo. On the new Wrangler does the front seats still flip forward like the old ones for rear seat access? If so can some one explain in detail as to where the lever is as the salesman didn't know anything about jeeps. P.S. Does anyone know the best place near Dallas to buy a new Wrangler? Any help at all is much much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
The seats do go forward, but not a whole lot. I use the lever under the seat to move it forward, then use the lever on the side of the seat to move the backrest forward. If a salesman couldn't show you that, I sure as hell wouldn't be buying one from that dealership. I bought mine from Mac Haik in Temple, Texas. Go talk to Jay "Hoss" Henderson. He got me one for a great deal. A month and a half ago, I got a two door sport with power everything, hard top, upgraded wheels and tires, lsd, ac, tinted windows, and many other extras. I paid 24,000 out the door with ttyl. I basically have a Sahara but without the color coded fenders (this is why I got a sport as I didn't want that.) They had to locate mine, but he is AWESOME. He showed me the invoice on the jeep, and I paid well under it. PM me if you decide to go talk to him, i'll give you my name, he is awesome and if I were going to recommend anyone in Texas it is he. He fought to get me the price as no other dealer would go that low.

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Old 04-27-2010, 12:50 AM   #3
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Thanks Bennny but what I am referring to is not just the seat back coming forward, the whole seat, rails and all flips up and out of the way for back seat entry. Many salesman and even owners didn't know this about them but I was a product geek and discovered it while "getting product knowledge" with a female co-worker. The flip I'm referring to is actually more of a hinge in FRONT of the seat allowing the rails and all to rotate forward. Do me a favor go look under your seat in the front or rear for a weird looking little black lever. Then push down on it and see what happens (watch your finger while doing so). This is all assuming the lever still exists in the newer models.
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I havent seen anything like this in my 2010 Sahara.
I'll have to look more carefully.

What years had this feature??
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:06 AM   #5
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TJ 1997-2006 but I'm fairly sure the new ones still have it as back seat access is terribly hindered without it. It was such a necessity for loading gear I can't believe it would be deleted. Please look at the front of your seat rail for something resembling a pivot hinge, kind of 2 flat rounded plates at the front outside of the seat rails. Also look for a small black lever in between the seat rails, oddly shaped. Any TJ owners chime in if you found it on your Jeep.
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The new JK's passenger seat does not flip forward like the older models did. So is very difficult to get in and out of the back.
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I'm going back to the dealership today with scrub clothes on to get a better look. I just can't believe they would delete this useful option. The lever is very difficult to find if your not aware of its location. They used to come with a strap which was usually missing or broken by the time it got to the dealership.
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I hear ya bud! Without the entire seat fipping forward like the older models the rear seat is basicaly useless...maybe for small children.
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J.B. I will try to find out if this is true, if they changed the lever or if lever was completely deleted if you can retrofit a old seat in place of the new one. A recover job and I am a happy camper!!!! I will get us a solution of some sort!!!! It's the hillbilly way!!!!
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I've heard others complain about this as well. So if you ever discover a "hidden" latch...please let us know! And Welcome to the forum bud!
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Thank you for the warm welcome!!!! By this time tomorrow I will have us a solution of some sort J.B. It may come down to purchasing an old seat for the rails then swapping out the seats. This is assuming the mounting holes are at least somewhat similar. If not I know what kit I will be designing for resale. The delete of this feature may have been in an effort to increase sales of the four door?
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I don't want to spoil your fun looking for this latch....but, you got me so curious about it that I just went outside to look for it!

There is definitely no latch under the seat, or anywhere near the seat, that I could find, or feel....

If there is one....good luck finding it!!
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:22 AM   #13
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Even the owners manual states
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Front Easy Entry Seats Two Door Models
Push the lever on the seatback rearward (toward the rear
of the vehicle) to tilt the entire seat forward.
BUT...the ENTIRE seat does not tilt forward...just the seat back...then slides. Kinda a misrepresentation there!
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Even the owners manual states BUT...the ENTIRE seat does not tilt forward...just the seat back...then slides. Kinda a misrepresentation there!
I just watched the 'Front Easy Entry Seats' video from the Owners manual DVD.

'Tilting' the seat forward is really just pushing it forward.

The seat bottom slides forward, and the seat back tilts forward, but the seat bottom does not lift off the track.
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On TJ's they are called "fold and tumble" seats. Yes they are a very good thing. Don't know why they did away with them.... If it weren't for them, I likely couldn't have TJ.... I'm guessing you could fab something up to work for you, if you're inclined in such a way.

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Old 04-27-2010, 08:13 AM   #16
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I just watched the 'Front Easy Entry Seats' video from the Owners manual DVD.
You got a DVD with yours? Yeah, I seen that in my packet, but I downloaded the manual through the Jeep website and read through it a couple of times waiting for mine to be built/delivered. Through the "wording" in that, I took it still had the "fold & tumble" (thanks Inferno) seat. Was dissappointed to find out that was not the case. Pretty stupid feature to discontine IMO!
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Many thanks guys and gals.....This has turned out to be one of the best forums I have ever seen. There are a lot of classy helpful people here. I am beginning to think that is how the majority of Jeep owners are. I wonder what is it about the Jeep that attracts helpful, outdoorsy folk? I guess that doesn't matter so much. The kindness of Jeep people is a wonderful thing and I am grateful.
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Another thing that is awesome about Jeep people. I have read in several threads (while being a fly on the wall) where folks around here don't just say their going to do something, most all actually DO IT and quick like. Other forums you may get someone to look up a webpage for you but here people take time, go outside, turn themselves upside down literally trying to help someone. This is awesome and again I am grateful.
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The new JK's passenger seat does not flip forward like the older models did. So is very difficult to get in and out of the back.
I think it is exhausting to put a child in and out of the back seat of an 08 2 dr Rubi. I not trying to talk you out of buying your Jeep.Definitely buy it. But moving my little girl in and out of the back,knocks the hell out of me by the end of the day. Good luck and enjoy your Jeep
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Thanks guys and gals!!!! I got confirmation from 3 dealers about the seat option. It no longer exists in any way shape or form. Dangit!!!!!! My visit will include the use of a tape measure to measure bolt holes and the feasibility of swapping seat rails as I will not buy a Wrangler that does not have this option. Thanks for all your help and warm wishes and kind words.
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I have a question for you. If you have a family and are concerned about the access to the back seat, why don't you just get a 4 door. Problem solved. I completely agree by the way that jeep should of ketp the seats the old way. My 07 is a pain, so i just took the rear seats out. I can't imagine trying to get a car seat in and out of there or a small chilod. Although it does provide great entertainment when your drunk friends are trying to figgure out how to get in and out without busting their a$&.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:11 AM   #22
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Well mainly $$$$$$$ and that I don't need a back seat most of the time but when I do I need it accessible.
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I hope you don't base your decision to buy on the seat alone my friend. You can put up with this until you "modify" this one thing that so many others have on different parts of theirs! Then...show us the pics and Howto...When!
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Ok ya i know what your talking about. Money is allways tight, but something to think about. Maybe you can find a good used one. Better then not buysing one at all.
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Rear seat access

Agreed...getting to the rear seats in the 2 door JK is a major pain. I just took mine out completely. I use my JK for work and don't need them anyway.

Has anyone considered modding the seats to face backwards? The little kids could scramble in through the tailgate and it might be easier to get a baby seat in that way,too.
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I am on my way to the dealership with a tape measure. I will post findings this evening as to whether or not a 97-06 seat frame with said feature will bolt up. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!!
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Agreed...getting to the rear seats in the 2 door JK is a major pain. I just took mine out completely. I use my JK for work and don't need them anyway.

Has anyone considered modding the seats to face backwards? The little kids could scramble in through the tailgate and it might be easier to get a baby seat in that way,too.
Jeep owners...one word....COOL! I think this is genius!!!!! I just need to inquire about safety of doing it this way. It seems it would be safer as infant seats are made this way to help prevent neck injury in infants upon front collision. I see no reason why it wouldn't work if seat will bolt up. Now that's food for thought.
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I would just buy a 4dr if I were you, it is a $2200 difference in price. I have a 2dr version and am going to be getting a 4dr in the next few years as I expect to need it for children by then. A few friends of mine have TJs with the fold and tumble seats and in comparison to my JK 2dr, I feel like they are equally spacious to climb into with the exception of the JK seat trying to slide rearward as you climb in.
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^^That is for a 2WD version. Another $1200 for a 4X4.^^
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It seems like Chrysler intentionally made it hard to get into the back seat of a 2 door so one would be more inclined to go with the 4 door and spend the extra cash.

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