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Old 04-07-2014, 07:13 PM   #31
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I'm still pondering the axle ratios... I'm thinking that if going with the 6-speed, it has wide enough gearing that the axle ratio may not matter as much. Here's what I found on gearing, let me know if inaccurate:

Automatic:
1st 3.59
2nd 2.19
3rd 1.41
4th 1
5th 0.83

Manual:
1st 4.46
2nd 2.61
3rd 1.72
4th 1.25
5th 1
6th 0.797

At 70 MPH with 32" tires in respective top gears:
Automatic:
3.21: 1959 RPM
3.73: 2276 RPM

Manual:
3.21: 1881 RPM
3.73: 2186 RPM

What do you find is your most comfortable cruise speed?

jeeptjduner: From what I'm seeing, the difference between the 430N and the 730N is that the 730N has voice command and dead reckoning, and the GPS is by Harmin. The 430N's GPS is by Garmin. Don't know if that's all worth $800. More here.

All said... I'm at least confident in the fact that Wranglers hold their value so well, if I make any mistakes I can do it all over next year and not lose too much.
I hope my rude bluntness will bully you into the right decision.

1) You WILL regret it.
2) You WERE warned.

Stay away from 3.21s.

I bought a 2012, and traded it in for a 2014 because of the 3.21s. Don't do it.

Oh, and as an ex sahara owner, I would advise you to skip the sahara and get the rubicon. 12K worth of goodies for $2500. If that's not a great deal I don't know what is.

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I hope my rude bluntness will bully you into the right decision.

1) You WILL regret it.
2) You WERE warned.

Stay away from 3.21s.

I bought a 2012, and traded it in for a 2014 because of the 3.21s. Don't do it.

Oh, and as an ex sahara owner, I would advise you to skip the sahara and get the rubicon. 12K worth of goodies for $2500. If that's not a great deal I don't know what is.
I don't regret the 3.21 auto.

How did you come up with $12K worth of goodis?

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I don't regret the 3.21 auto.

How did you come up with $12K worth of goodis?
4:1 T case - $3000
Swaybar disco - $1800
D44 - $2000
Lockers - $2600
4.10 Gears - $1000
Rubicon suspension - $1000

Thats just parts, no labor, all under warranty.

If you already own 3.21s, fine, it's not the end of the world, but I would never buy 3.21s if I had the option. The only reason I got 3.21s on my 2012 was I didn't know better. Im trying to get him not to make the same mistake. The JK CANNOT be under 2000rpm @65mph and maintain forward momentum in top gear, not to mention, get horrible gas mileage due to the fact that you need to bury your foot just to keep momentum up through the wind resistance. Again, Im not just babbling, I had a 2012 with 3.21s, and personally believe they do not belong on any wrangler.
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I just got a 2014 JKU with 6 Speed Manual and .... 3.21. Is this something that can be upgraded later to 3.73?? Or it cost too much where it's worth getting a new Jeep altogether?
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4:1 T case - $3000
Swaybar disco - $1800
D44 - $2000
Lockers - $2600
4.10 Gears - $1000
Rubicon suspension - $1000

Thats just parts, no labor, all under warranty.

If you already own 3.21s, fine, it's not the end of the world, but I would never buy 3.21s if I had the option. The only reason I got 3.21s on my 2012 was I didn't know better. Im trying to get him not to make the same mistake. The JK CANNOT be under 2000rpm @65mph and maintain forward momentum in top gear, not to mention, get horrible gas mileage due to the fact that you need to bury your foot just to keep momentum up through the wind resistance. Again, Im not just babbling, I had a 2012 with 3.21s, and personally believe they do not belong on any wrangler.
The extras you speak of getting in the Rubicon mostly sound like they will be more of a hindrance to the OP....
~he lives in NYC, hence no rock crawling and no need for 4:1 transfer case in fact in 90% of other off road situations the standard transfer case is better
~he will be doing mostly highway driving and dealing with winter conditions, LSD> lockers
~he said he was concerned with fuel mileage so going to 4.10's would not be his best choice

If he wants to he can add a small lift, manual sway bar disconnects and better tires and have a VERY capable weekend warrior while having a better suited vehicle for his everyday use
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I just got a 2014 JKU with 6 Speed Manual and .... 3.21. Is this something that can be upgraded later to 3.73?? Or it cost too much where it's worth getting a new Jeep altogether?
It can be done later, but it costs about 3 times what it does to get them from the factory.
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4:1 T case - $3000
Swaybar disco - $1800
D44 - $2000
Lockers - $2600
4.10 Gears - $1000
Rubicon suspension - $1000

Thats just parts, no labor, all under warranty.

If you already own 3.21s, fine, it's not the end of the world, but I would never buy 3.21s if I had the option. The only reason I got 3.21s on my 2012 was I didn't know better. Im trying to get him not to make the same mistake. The JK CANNOT be under 2000rpm @65mph and maintain forward momentum in top gear, not to mention, get horrible gas mileage due to the fact that you need to bury your foot just to keep momentum up through the wind resistance. Again, Im not just babbling, I had a 2012 with 3.21s, and personally believe they do not belong on any wrangler.
Yes, changing out the transmission is expensive. If you need that t-case, get a Rubi. Quick discos that you have to get out of the cab to pull cost $100.00. They are nice to have as part of a package, but that's an expensive convenience. If you aren't rock crawling, those are expensive options. If you are, they are cheap, but it's actually a $5000.00 option, not $2500.00. It depends of your use/want.

The 3.21 is seriously a non-issue in Kansas. It would be different if I lived in the mountains.
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If you already own 3.21s, fine, it's not the end of the world, but I would never buy 3.21s if I had the option. The only reason I got 3.21s on my 2012 was I didn't know better. Im trying to get him not to make the same mistake. The JK CANNOT be under 2000rpm @65mph and maintain forward momentum in top gear, not to mention, get horrible gas mileage due to the fact that you need to bury your foot just to keep momentum up through the wind resistance. Again, Im not just babbling, I had a 2012 with 3.21s, and personally believe they do not belong on any wrangler.
NFRs2000NYC - was that auto or manual?

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Old 04-12-2014, 03:30 PM   #39
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Went for a test drive today - the Wrangler is much quieter and confident on the highway than I thought it would be. They only had an Unlimited to test drive though I want the 2-door, but for a test drive I figure it's not much of a difference, just heavier. The 2-door can only be more peppy.

I considered everyone's comments on the axle ratio and transmission... but I think I'm still going with the 3.21 and 6-speed. (I hope at least for your sakes, I'm wrong, because all of your feedback was great.) The 6-speed has a low enough 1st gear where I don't think it will be a problem compared to what I experienced in the test drive and read about other people's experiences. 4-low is still there for rough surfaces.a Plus it's a significant cost savings. And if it's still a mistake, I can trade it in next year and not lose too much on the value.

Only other change is that I think I'm going to drop the automatic temp control on the A/C... not necessary.

The only similar one in local stock was auto, no Trak-Lock, granite crystal, and no 730N. So I might have to go with a factory order. I'll still email around to a few dealerships to see who can offer the best quote. Will just suck to go 6 weeks with no wheels!
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If you know model, acceptable colors and options...any dealer can conduct searches to swap stock with other dealers. If you're comfortable with your salesperson and they negotiate an acceptable deal, then let them do the hard job of getting the unit to you rather than have you do all the running.

Of course - the key point - if you get the deal you want and you're comfortable with your dealer.

For example, my 2013 JKU is a bare bones Sport, soft top but it had 3:73 and tow package. It was the package I wanted and the dealer did the hunting. I gave them a list of acceptable colors and they found what I wanted.

Happy hunting!
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I think getting 3:21 is a mistake. Any fuel savings is nominal at best. You may not want bigger tires now, but you will eventually.
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I'd highly recommend checking the Costco Auto Program for pricing. I used it for my '13 JKU MOAB last August. It's just "here's the invoice price and here's your discount from that". It beat the Tread Lightly affiliate pricing. Got a $200 certificate for accessories too.

They send you to specific dealers/salespeople -- usually an internet sales rep. Pricing can vary by dealer and discounts may change month to month, but there's absolutely no BS.

No I'm not an employee, stockholder, etc. Just a Costco member who's used it to to buy a Jeep, a couple Toyotas, and other assorted vehicles.

p.s. I vote for at least the 3.73 too.
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I think getting 3:21 is a mistake. Any fuel savings is nominal at best. You may not want bigger tires now, but you will eventually.
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My JKU has the 6 speed and 3.73 gears. I test drove the exact same JKU with 3.21 and mine is much easier to drive. I am so glad I got the 3.73 gears.
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I have the 3.21s and I hate them. As soon as I can I'll be regearing. The 3.73s are the way to go; the main reason is because it's a Jeep. Jeeps change you. You're going to have a blast when you first get it and I promise you that down the line you'll start thinking things like, "I wonder how much more fun it'll be with a lift," or "those stock tires are looking small, I bet a set of 35s will look bad ass." Considering how much a new Jeep is, the price difference between the 3.21s and the 3.73s is negligible. It's also cheaper to get the right gearing when you buy the jeep rather than have to pay so much more down the line when you start kicking yourself for having the 3.21s.

Take it from me, I've been kicking myself everyday now and my ass is black and blue. I can't wait to change my gears.
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Hmmmm... the feedback on the 3.21 is overwhelming. On second thought my argument about the taller 1st gear applies to the shorter 6th gear too...

And I suppose if I don't like the 3.73 I can put on bigger tires... Wait now I sound like a Jeep addict! I didn't even buy it yet and I'm thinking about tires! Stop it you guys!
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Hmmmm... the feedback on the 3.21 is overwhelming. On second thought my argument about the taller 1st gear applies to the shorter 6th gear too... And I suppose if I don't like the 3.73 I can put on bigger tires... Wait now I sound like a Jeep addict! I didn't even buy it yet and I'm thinking about tires! Stop it you guys!
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Yep. Now he has it. 1st step jeep, second step bigger tires, third step lift bigger tires gears and lockers
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3.73 gears and dont look back... they will push 33/35s.so much better... if u go either of those routes
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Done and done! The dealership came down by $2,800 so I sealed the deal. Whoohoo! Going to have to wait 6 weeks for the factory order, but was not willing to compromise on anything that was in stock.

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Thanks for your advice everyone!
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Done and done! The dealership came down by $2,800 so I sealed the deal. Whoohoo! Going to have to wait 6 weeks for the factory order, but was not willing to compromise on anything that was in stock.

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Thanks for your advice everyone!
Congrats!!! The wait will suck but it will be well worth it to have exactly what you wanted
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Congrats!

Assuming one is staying stock:
On a manual (2 door or 4 door) I would get 3.73's...just by the way the ratio's work out. On an auto 4 door I would get 3.73's (for the tow rating), on an auto 2 door, either one will work.....but all of that also depends on where you live and how you use the vehicle.
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Done and done! The dealership came down by $2,800 so I sealed the deal. Whoohoo! Going to have to wait 6 weeks for the factory order, but was not willing to compromise on anything that was in stock.

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Thanks for your advice everyone!
Congrats on the new toy. You were smart getting the 3.73's. I have 3.21's in mine, with it being lifted and having 35's (calm down everyone, it came that way directly from the dealership). I will definitely be upgrading to a better gear ration (4.56 likely). 3.21's can push it down the road, but not efficiently.
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Congrats on your purchase! The wait will just make the delivery sweeter.
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I'm stuck on the scheduled test drive. Did they not have any there? Are they that busy? All kidding aside. Get what you like. Everyone buys one for different reasons and only you will drive yours. Enjoy!
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Done and done! The dealership came down by $2,800 so I sealed the deal. Whoohoo! Going to have to wait 6 weeks for the factory order, but was not willing to compromise on anything that was in stock.

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3.73 Axle
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Connectivity Package

Thanks for your advice everyone!
Nice build! See you in the waiting room!
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Thanks all! Wouldn't have been as confident on the options without your help. And oh yeah, next stop is the waiting room!

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I'm stuck on the scheduled test drive. Did they not have any there? Are they that busy? All kidding aside. Get what you like. Everyone buys one for different reasons and only you will drive yours. Enjoy!
Dsm1849 - It's a dealership outside of NYC, so space is at a premium. As it was, they had to juggle cars around, on the roof mind you, just to get one out. So I can understand why it would have to be scheduled. And I don't think they had any Saharas there - but plenty of Rubicons and Sports.
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Thanks for the help, jwilson! I can't believe I forgot that part!
"Max Tow" only applies to the JKU, not the JK. A Tow Pkg on a JK is just the hitch and the wire harness, NOT the 3.73s.
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"Max Tow" only applies to the JKU, not the JK. A Tow Pkg on a JK is just the hitch and the wire harness, NOT the 3.73s.
Ha you learn something every day! I wasn't aware the jk tow package didn't come with 3.73's

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