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Old 11-25-2013, 10:44 PM   #1
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Buying Advice 09' Wrangler X

I am buying my first jeep! Looking for some advice from actual jeep owners and not dealers.
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I do not plan to do much rock climbing, maybe some off reading but nothing extreme.. Yet.
Just wanting opinions on the Jeep, it's price, color, specs, ect... If I am getting into trouble or if it would be a great option in your opinion. Thanks a lot!!

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Extremely overpriced IMO. Don't pay extra for any of the mods, and since you don't know the history of it, who knows what was done or if it was done correctly. I would not get an automatic with the 3.8 liter either. At that price point I would be looking for an 11 with the new interior, or even a used 12 with the 3.6 pentastar. I wouldn't buy a 3.8 model unless it was under 17k personally. Granted, those numbers are hard to find sometimes but good deals are out there. The thing about Wranglers is they are a niche vehicle and dealers know that if someone is shopping for one, they are willing to pay for it instead of finding a different vehicle. I also wouldn't go for a hard top. Soft top is way easier to remove, you wont wreck it off road, and you don't need a huge place to store it.

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Extremely overpriced IMO. Don't pay extra for any of the mods, and since you don't know the history of it, who knows what was done or if it was done correctly. I would not get an automatic with the 3.8 liter either. At that price point I would be looking for an 11 with the new interior, or even a used 12 with the 3.6 pentastar. I wouldn't buy a 3.8 model unless it was under 17k personally. Granted, those numbers are hard to find sometimes but good deals are out there. The thing about Wranglers is they are a niche vehicle and dealers know that if someone is shopping for one, they are willing to pay for it instead of finding a different vehicle. I also wouldn't go for a hard top. Soft top is way easier to remove, you wont wreck it off road, and you don't need a huge place to store it.
Thanks.. Is there a reason you would recommend Pentastar vs 3.8L?
I like the look of hard top a lot, and have read the soft top tends to leak more? Maybe this is just case by case..
Additionally, I am looking for something already modded, just so I don't have to deal w the extra work, then I can add to from there.. Such as lift and tires.. I will definitely talk to the dealer and ask about their bottom price, however KBB has this listed at 21900 as well.
Thanks for your input, really do appreciate it
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I wanted a Pentastar too, but I just recently bought a 2010 Sport for $21,995 and I've been extremely happy with it. I know I paid a lot, but it was still $1,500 under the bluebook value, so I was happy. It was a pavement princess with one previous owner and no user-installed mods. Also got a very nice Katzkin interior, and just so happened to luck into one of the rarest colors on a Wrangler of any generation.

I don't think I would've paid near that much if it wasn't 100% stock and mint. But that's just me.

As for the 3.6 vs 3.8, the 3.6 is a lot more powerful, having nearly 80 more horsepower. But so far I've been very happy with the 3.8. I find it lacking slightly in low-end in 5th and 6th, but other than that it's been great.

Of course I'm used to a Honda with a 1.5 liter and absolutely no torque, so...
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I wanted a Pentastar too, but I just recently bought a 2010 Sport for $21,995 and I've been extremely happy with it. I know I paid a lot, but it was still $1,500 under the bluebook value, so I was happy. It was a pavement princess with one previous owner and no user-installed mods. Also got a very nice Katzkin interior, and just so happened to luck into one of the rarest colors on a Wrangler of any generation.

I don't think I would've paid near that much if it wasn't 100% stock and mint. But that's just me.

As for the 3.6 vs 3.8, the 3.6 is a lot more powerful, having nearly 80 more horsepower. But so far I've been very happy with the 3.8. I find it lacking slightly in low-end in 5th and 6th, but other than that it's been great.

Of course I'm used to a Honda with a 1.5 liter and absolutely no torque, so...
Thanks, yeah I realize I am paying a tad much, but I think it has to do with where I am.. I am in Nebraksa coming up on winter, and I feel like these kinds of vehicles come with a high tag no matter the make and model... Especially this being a Jeep, very popular here. I feel okay with the price considering what work has been done to it, and if I bought stock, then modded myself, I would likely be a couple grand over what I would pay now... But then again, I am very new to jeeps and just going off what I have read thus far in these forums, and reviews ect..
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I am going to Test drive it tomorrow around noon, Is there anything I should keep an eye out for or maybe ask?
The car fax is clean, and it is certified pre owned, so 100K/7 yr warranty
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I just went through the same issues with buying a used JK. I got a 2010 4 door Sport with auto, hard top and power windows for $22k. It's in mint condition, with no mods. One owner (friend of a friend) and was a grocery getter. I was back and forth on getting a modded one. I drove another 2010 with a soft top (which leaked a little) that was modded. It had 35x12.50 mud tires, 4" lift, winch ready bumper with stinger, black wheels, side rock guards, steel off road type fenders, etc. The deciding factor was that it had been built nicely, but had the scars to prove it was worthy in the rough terrain. It wasn't beat up, especially for a Jeep, but it had been tested. The other thing is that there are things that you don't know if they did or not like regearing, lockers, etc. Those types of additions are needed, especially with 37's. If I'm going to drive a modded vehicle I want to know what's been done. Either I'll mod it myself or buy from an individual that can tell me about it. The salesman might say that know the Jeep, but they don't. Also, the previous owner could have banged something loose during an adventure and fixed it enough to trade it in. You'll find out about a month after you buy it, and will get no help from the dealer if it isn't under warranty. That's just the way it is. You never know if you're inheriting someone else's problem.

Or the original owner could have treated it nice, but his wife is now expecting a baby so he traded for a 4 door, nobody knows.
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I just went through the same issues with buying a used JK. I got a 2010 4 door Sport with auto, hard top and power windows for $22k. It's in mint condition, with no mods. One owner (friend of a friend) and was a grocery getter. I was back and forth on getting a modded one. I drove another 2010 with a soft top (which leaked a little) that was modded. It had 35x12.50 mud tires, 4" lift, winch ready bumper with stinger, black wheels, side rock guards, steel off road type fenders, etc. The deciding factor was that it had been built nicely, but had the scars to prove it was worthy in the rough terrain. It wasn't beat up, especially for a Jeep, but it had been tested. The other thing is that there are things that you don't know if they did or not like regearing, lockers, etc. Those types of additions are needed, especially with 37's. If I'm going to drive a modded vehicle I want to know what's been done. Either I'll mod it myself or buy from an individual that can tell me about it. The salesman might say that know the Jeep, but they don't. Also, the previous owner could have banged something loose during an adventure and fixed it enough to trade it in. You'll find out about a month after you buy it, and will get no help from the dealer if it isn't under warranty. That's just the way it is. You never know if you're inheriting someone else's problem.

Or the original owner could have treated it nice, but his wife is now expecting a baby so he traded for a 4 door, nobody knows.
HA very true, hoping for the baby scenario

I do realize there are risks you take when buying something already modded... I do feel comfortable since it is covered under warranty, but going to find out what is not covered due to mods.. My plan was to buy something modded, just was seeing if it was a decent buy... Good jeep, or if there are others preferred... This is my first one so definitely a lot to learn. Wouldn't be dissatisfied w power considering most jeeps in prior years did not have the pentastar.. Still many happy jeep owners lol.. More power would be really nice no doubt. Problem is patience in continuing to wait until I find a used 2012 in the color I like. Modded a way I like... Maybe I am being too picky, or not picky enough. But I do enjoy the opinions. Helping out a lot.
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Oh... I'm coming from a Corolla... And not a Dodge Hemi �� lol.. So anything would be a power upgrade I would say
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Also, make them show you the certified warranty paperwork. With the strict certification guidelines from Jeep, and those mods, that seems fishy. The usually won't certify a modded vehicle. Even if they do, I doubt it will cover any of the altered/aftermarket parts, and if the engine/tranny goes they'll blame the lift and tires leaving you high and dry. If they'll cover it in writing, go for it!
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Lol I only paid 2,500 for my X in 2009.
I gotta say it was a good year. No problems at all.
Chrysler is always calling me to trade in on a new wrangler. I tell them, "I don't think so."
But yea even with those mods it seem a bit expensive.
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Lol I only paid 2,500 for my X in 2009.
I gotta say it was a good year. No problems at all.
Chrysler is always calling me to trade in on a new wrangler. I tell them, "I don't think so."
But yea even with those mods it seem a bit expensive.
Do you think they priced it based on Mods or KBB? I checked KBB and it comes around similar range.. Haven't seen in person yet, so maybe it is a particular trim that is more expensive? I suppose I will know more tomorrow when I go test drive... But seems like everyone is surprised by the price. Though I seem to ready many places that Jeeps will resell high typically..
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Also has a superchip? Not sure why or what that does... And Nitto Trail Grappler tires 35x12.5R17
Pricey tires for sure...
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Also has a superchip? Not sure why or what that does... And Nitto Trail Grappler tires 35x12.5R17
Pricey tires for sure...
I will be willing to bet the farm with it having 35s I hope it has at least 3.73 gears to pull those down the road and with the 35s the whole issue of wear on tranny and Engine warranty would be very QUESTIONABLE OH the bigger over size tires CONTRIBUTED to wear and tear on trans and or Engine IF you ever have an issue I would make them PUT IT IN WRITING that such would be covered when you go BIGGER it can be a way out for them not to cover the Warranty ? and crawl under it check for leaks and you can see if it has been off roaded by scrapes gouges on the under carrage it doe's sound like top dollar my neighbor works at a jeep dealership and if they get a modified jeep they send it to Auction they do not want to be responsible for bad Modds well good luck .
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dpoethig--I just wonder have you considered buying a new one with the low Interest rates at anywhere from zero to 3.8to 4 percent on new versus probally 5-9 percent on used you could buy a new one for the same monthly payment or maybe LESS and have a new Jeep I love my 3.6 the power diff IMO is well worth it I bought my 2012 used 3 months old and still got 3.2 percent at my credit union and as far as mods. dude you decide what you will do with it and you will be AMAZED at what a stock JK will do with just good mud terrain tires I have the 3.6 with 3.21 gears and 5spd auto I would not run 35s it would be a dog even with the 285 horse power versus the 200HP of the 3.8 Just my 2cents I hope I helped and did not scare you but I had to learn the hard way I would do it a lot Diff next time .
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Do you think they priced it based on Mods or KBB? I checked KBB and it comes around similar range.. Haven't seen in person yet, so maybe it is a particular trim that is more expensive? I suppose I will know more tomorrow when I go test drive... But seems like everyone is surprised by the price. Though I seem to ready many places that Jeeps will resell high typically..
I assume you are going to negotiate the price. They should sell it high teens. They probably have 17 into it.
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dpoethig--I just wonder have you considered buying a new one with the low Interest rates at anywhere from zero to 3.8to 4 percent on new versus probally 5-9 percent on used you could buy a new one for the same monthly payment or maybe LESS and have a new Jeep I love my 3.6 the power diff IMO is well worth it I bought my 2012 used 3 months old and still got 3.2 percent at my credit union and as far as mods. dude you decide what you will do with it and you will be AMAZED at what a stock JK will do with just good mud terrain tires I have the 3.6 with 3.21 gears and 5spd auto I would not run 35s it would be a dog even with the 285 horse power versus the 200HP of the 3.8 Just my 2cents I hope I helped and did not scare you but I had to learn the hard way I would do it a lot Diff next time .
I've considered going new, but am really loving the idea of an already modded one since you can get it for a fraction of what you'd pay brand new and modding it yourself. I will definitely find out gear ratio since it's got such large tires! I will also be negotiating price. Shoot maybe when i get there I will end up wanting something diff.. Still haven't driven it. Thank you for the info, was very helpful!!
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Also has a superchip? Not sure why or what that does... And Nitto Trail Grappler tires 35x12.5R17
Pricey tires for sure...
The chip is necessary to have the odometer and speedometer correct for 35's. They included it because it is VIN specific if you ever wanted to change.
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Drive it and see how it feels to you with the auto and 35's. Find out what the gear ratio is, it may have been upgraded. I would be concerned having a 35" spare on the stock spare carrier. It will eventually weaken the spot weld points on the rear gate.
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But so far I've been very happy with the 3.8. I find it lacking slightly in low-end in 5th and 6th, but other than that it's been great.
? Low end in 5th and 6th? There is no low end in 5th and 6th. That's what downshifting is for.
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dpoethig--I just wonder have you considered buying a new one with the low Interest rates at anywhere from zero to 3.8to 4 percent on new versus probally 5-9 percent on used you could buy a new one for the same monthly payment or maybe LESS and have a new Jeep I love my 3.6 the power diff IMO is well worth it I bought my 2012 used 3 months old and still got 3.2 percent at my credit union and as far as mods. dude you decide what you will do with it and you will be AMAZED at what a stock JK will do with just good mud terrain tires I have the 3.6 with 3.21 gears and 5spd auto I would not run 35s it would be a dog even with the 285 horse power versus the 200HP of the 3.8 Just my 2cents I hope I helped and did not scare you but I had to learn the hard way I would do it a lot Diff next time .
Let's say I did want to know whether it had a 3.73 Gear ratio, how would I find that out? Obv I could ask the dealer, but with a modded Jeep there's a chance he would not know whether it was 3.21 or 3.73... Is there something I can look for myself to see if it had 3.73

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OP, what is important to you? I paid 22900 for my 2013 Sport with a stick and sunrider soft top, with a/c. I added my own wheels/tires leveling kit, which gave me about 2'', plus cargo netting,seat covers,stereofloor mats, and some other crap.I am still in it for under 25k. I too dont like a hard top. I had one once and it was such a pain in the ass. the soft top keeps you just as warm. On a side note, do you think Pelini should be fired? I do. Long time Husker fan in Chicago here
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Let's say I did want to know whether it had a 3.73 Gear ratio, how would I find that out? Obv I could ask the dealer, but with a modded Jeep there's a chance he would not know whether it was 3.21 or 3.73... Is there something I can look for myself to see if it had 3.73

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If there is nothing in the records you can go old school. Jack the rear wheels off the ground (or front). Spin the wheel by hand one full turn. While doing so count how many times the drive shaft turns. A chalk mark on the shaft will be helpful.
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OP, what is important to you? I paid 22900 for my 2013 Sport with a stick and sunrider soft top, with a/c. I added my own wheels/tires leveling kit, which gave me about 2'', plus cargo netting,seat covers,stereofloor mats, and some other crap.I am still in it for under 25k. I too dont like a hard top. I had one once and it was such a pain in the ass. the soft top keeps you just as warm. On a side note, do you think Pelini should be fired? I do. Long time Husker fan in Chicago here
Ha!! Funny this comes up in a jeep forum i do not think he should be fired. I think when u consider the amount of injuries to an already young team, he is doing very well. I would remain optimistic and realize that we have ONE offensive line starter the rest are walk on or red shirt who we're riding bench first 3 games, then know that our defense has 1 senior, 1 junior, and the rest sophomore and true freshman. Our offense has put our defense in some very tough spots this year and we responded well.... Not the season we hoped for but I strongly believe in Bo. Great for our program.

As far as the Jeep goes lol... The soft top would be nice since it's so easy to remove, but man im just in love with the look of the hardtop. Thanks for your input man!
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If there is nothing in the records you can go old school. Jack the rear wheels off the ground (or front). Spin the wheel by hand one full turn. While doing so count how many times the drive shaft turns. A chalk mark on the shaft will be helpful.
Okay thank you! Man I've got a list of questions, these guys are gonna be so annoyed I am almost positive. Going to test drive it at noon today, so hoping I like it, otherwise it will be back to the search..

What do you guys think of it? Good looking Jeep? I know there's a lot of technicalities, such as mod details, and if they're backed under warranty, gear ratio, suspension.... Haven't seen the suspension yet to determine if it's a good one or not, but judging by some of the other details, looks like the guy dropped some dough into the car.
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Walk away. You can have a brand new one for about that price or just a little more.

I paid $19k for my 09 in March. It's exactly like yours (down to the color) except its a stick and no lift. I added Cruise for $80 (best money I've spent so far).

If I had it to do over again, I would have been a little more patient and talked with a couple dealers about new ones.
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Okay thank you! Man I've got a list of questions, these guys are gonna be so annoyed I am almost positive. Going to test drive it at noon today, so hoping I like it, otherwise it will be back to the search..

What do you guys think of it? Good looking Jeep? I know there's a lot of technicalities, such as mod details, and if they're backed under warranty, gear ratio, suspension.... Haven't seen the suspension yet to determine if it's a good one or not, but judging by some of the other details, looks like the guy dropped some dough into the car.
And a kitten just died...
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Get a new one with dual tops, it is more expensive to add a hard top later. Add wheels and tires that you like.If you PM me your number i can send you pics of my Jeep on 33'' 15's with only a leveling kit. Yes the 3.6 is that much nicer.
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Haven't seen the suspension yet to determine if it's a good one or not, but judging by some of the other details, looks like the guy dropped some dough into the car.
Damn, you were doing so well up until that point... Now you are not allowed to own it.


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And If Bo didnt have such a woody for T-Tragic for 4 years, I would like him. And that sort of committment is why we haven't won a division or major bowl game. He needed to pull TA out against MSU at the half, we would have had a better chance to win that game with Kellogg.

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